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Why can't all Muslims unite under the same Muslim umbrella?Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
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There is strength in diversity I guess.Originally posted by Admin Khan View PostDark Vader Ghost King El Malo Camello Papa
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How?Originally posted by حکیم خان اورګونی View PostEven Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
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The differences can be exploited for material gain.Originally posted by Admin Khan View PostDark Vader Ghost King El Malo Camello Papa
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There is nothing wrong with diverse schools of thought. What we need is a system where all schools of thought can express themselves and contribute ideas in a peaceful manner. The way the middle east is set up currently with autocratic dictators and monarchies who prevent free expression with an iron hand and leaves people no choice but to only express themselves violently. This is destructive and keeps the whole region as a subordinate.Originally posted by Admin Khan View PostComment
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I think there is a problem when one school of thought claims the other is wrong, and when one follower thinks what the other follower is doing is wrong. From a theoretical point of view, what you said is accurate. But in practicality, take a look at the current affairs and they beg to disagree. I can't count how many times I've met someone, who was "strictly following a school of thought" that begins bashing the other version of the information. Muslims need to unite under the Islam umbrella.Originally posted by khushal View PostEven Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
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like an arab link would be less biased.
from what i have read, contributions to the islamic golden age came from many quarters. persions, egyptian, roman, greek, indian, andalusia. paper making from china. knowledge and experience for this age was not just from arabs or iraqis.
ibn sina from afshana, near bhukara, averroes from andalusia. indian knowledge of mathematics contributed, greek philosophy etc.Last edited by faye; 07-12-2012, 08:57 PM.Comment
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All the Earlier 'Abbasiyah Khulafa were Mu'tazilah. Also what do you mean by Sunni? All of the Mu'tazilah scholars of Islam followed Sunni Fiqh, in reality Mu'tazilah are the real Ahl Al-Sunnah Wal Jam'ah.
Muʿtazilah (Arabic: المعتزلة) is an Islamic school of speculative theology that flourished in the cities of Basra and Baghdad, both in present-day Iraq, during the 8th–10th centuries. The adherents of the Mu'tazili school are best known for their having asserted that, because of the perfect unity and eternal nature of Allah, the Qur'an must therefore have been created, as it could not be co-eternal with God.[1] From this premise, the Mu'tazili school of Kalam proceeded to posit that the injunctions of God are accessible to rational thought and inquiry: because knowledge is derived from reason, reason is the "final arbiter" in distinguishing right from wrong.[2] It follows, in Mu'tazili reasoning, that "sacred precedent" is not an effective means of determining what is just, as what is obligatory in religion is only obligatory "by virtue of reason."[2]
The movement emerged in the Umayyad Era, and reached its height in the Abbasid period. Scholarship on the movement stagnated for centuries owing to an absence of sympathetic accounts of the movement (and an abundance of hostile accounts) until the latter 20th century, when the 11th century texts of Abd al-Jabbar al-Qadi were unearthed in Yemen.[3][QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.Comment
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A sect within a sect
But they have broken their religion among them into Sects, each group rejoicing in what is with it *
(* سورة المؤمنون *, Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #53)
*Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islamic Monotheism), and became Sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid'ah ), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.*
(* سورة الروم *, Ar-Room, Chapter #30, Verse #32)Comment
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didn't the golden age of islam begin before that? in the 700's.Comment
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The golden age of Islam ended when Ali Ibn Abi Talib was assassinated. It then went from "Islamic" to a regular kingdom, where power is the main concern.Originally posted by faye View PostComment
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Mu'tazilah are not a sect but a way of thinking. That's why some of the greatest Hanafi and Shafi'i jurists were Mu'tazilah. Even Mu'tazilah became apart of Zaydi Madhhab[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
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Mutazili's, by the sound of it, think they are some higher-up, better than other Muslim's sect. I dislike (not hate) when Muslims say they are Sunni/Shia, and/or, them break of into deeper sects by saying they are Hanafi/Shafi etc...
One god, one book, one message: no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger.Comment
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