Two type of Islam

[Ghurzang]

Gulono, here i invite all of my friends for a serious and sensitive questions..

But before that, critical,analytical,reasonable,thinkable,researcha ble mind should be the best quality of a tru muslims.This criteria has been set by
Quran for us.( تعقلون ، تتفکرون، تد برون

:Now

The prevailing Islam we have in our life is Genuine as was in past which revealed on Prophet the great??????(and which was Quranic centric Islam)

Or ,this is Mullah brand of Islam which is based on Artificial/fake(mostly) Ahadiths/riwayaat attributed falsely to Prophet the great?????(Ahadith centric Islam)

What was the contribution of that genuine Islam to the humanity and what is the contribution of this prevailing (ritualist) Islam to the humanity????
(Note:before some one gonna give a ''fitwa'' about me,listen, I am not not ''Munkar e ahadiths'' as there are some ahadiths which are asset for Muslims(which endorse Quran).

[شمله ور خراساني]

You are wrong and what you are saying doesn't make any sense. I advice to study further and do a little more research. Because you are making baseless assumptions that are absolutely not true.

This exact mentality is the reason why many young people become kaafirs. They don't put effort in studying Islam but they go around making baseless assumptions which eventually leads them further astray.

Look at Nadir Shah And Lewanaye Zalmaye here on PF. Both are blatant kuffaar. Yet they reveal that they don't know anything about Islam. They have rejected it without knowing what it is.

And your fate will be similar if you don't try harder to learn more about your religion.

[erlangner]

You are wrong and what you are saying doesn't make any sense. I advice to study further and do a little more research. Because you are making baseless assumptions that are absolutely not true.

This exact mentality is the reason why many young people become kaafirs. They don't put effort in studying Islam but they go around making baseless assumptions which eventually leads them further astray.

Look at Nadir Shah And Lewanaye Zalmaye here on PF. Both are blatant kuffaar. Yet they reveal that they don't know anything about Islam. They have rejected it without knowing what it is.

And your fate will be similar if you don't try harder to learn more about your religion.

Hhahhaha Nadir shah and Lewanae are Kuffar? I think administrator should bann you from the forum spreading hate and aggretion. If they want to be, then what you have to do with.
As far as Deen-e-Mulla is concerned, is not the correct and true islam. I appreciate the efforts of the people spreading Islam, but they never used the way which the Mulla is using. Ya this way was used in Spain, now you can see the results, however, when the businessmen went to far east and spread Islam by behaviour, character and attitude, one can see the result, Islam prevailing till now there.
The way sangar shaib you use, is not the right one, in my opinion.

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

Hhahhaha Nadir shah and Lewanae are Kuffar? I think administrator should bann you from the forum spreading hate and aggretion.

I completely diagree.

Sangar is a valuable member and brother. He represents the core beliefs of Islam that form the back bone of the religion which has stood for the last 1400 years.

Disagree with him if you like, but what you are saying I do not back or support.

[Son of Mountains]

Gulono, here i invite all of my friends for a serious and sensitive questions..

But before that, critical,analytical,reasonable,thinkable,researcha ble mind should be the best quality of a tru muslims.This criteria has been set by
Quran for us.( تعقلون ، تتفکرون، تد برون

:Now

The prevailing Islam we have in our life is Genuine as was in past which revealed on Prophet the great??????(and which was Quranic centric Islam)

Or ,this is Mullah brand of Islam which is based on Artificial/fake(mostly) Ahadiths/riwayaat attributed falsely to Prophet the great?????(Ahadith centric Islam)

What was the contribution of that genuine Islam to the humanity and what is the contribution of this prevailing (ritualist) Islam to the humanity????
(Note:before some one gonna give a ''fitwa'' about me,listen, I am not not ''Munkar e ahadiths'' as there are some ahadiths which are asset for Muslims(which endorse Quran).

I donot believe any Hadith which contradict Quraan.....Hadith should follow Quraan, rather Quraan following Hadith.
I can present a short list of some Ahadeeth which are in Bukhaari sharif, but contradict Quran, so i dont believe them (However, I wont put that list here).
Muhammad PBUH left one book....i.e., Quraan

[شمله ور خراساني]

Hhahhaha Nadir shah and Lewanae are Kuffar? I think administrator should bann you from the forum spreading hate and aggretion. If they want to be, then what you have to do with.
As far as Deen-e-Mulla is concerned, is not the correct and true islam. I appreciate the efforts of the people spreading Islam, but they never used the way which the Mulla is using. Ya this way was used in Spain, now you can see the results, however, when the businessmen went to far east and spread Islam by behaviour, character and attitude, one can see the result, Islam prevailing till now there.
The way sangar shaib you use, is not the right one, in my opinion.

Go and ask them. Both have stated that they are kufaar. I did not make this up. Read their posts. Or send them PM and ask them.

[Mujib]

I can present a short list of some Ahadeeth which are in Bukhaari sharif, but contradict Quran, so i dont believe them

Brother, the Qur'anic and Hadith sciences are many and very complex. There are several sciences of the Arabic language alone. The scholars of Qur'an and Hadith have mastered these sciences. Hadiths are judged and graded according to these sciences. A non-scholar who has absolutely no Islamic training or knowledge and simply reads a translation is not qualified to judge hadiths.

Muhammad PBUH left one book....i.e., Quraan

The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) left us the Qur'an and his Sunna. His Sunna is recorded in the hadiths.

[Roshina]

I donot believe any Hadith which contradict Quraan.....Hadith should follow Quraan, rather Quraan following Hadith.
I can present a short list of some Ahadeeth which are in Bukhaari sharif, but contradict Quran, so i dont believe them (However, I wont put that list here).
Muhammad PBUH left one book....i.e., Quraan

SOM, why not put that list here? It's extremely important, and most Muslims are not aware of that. So can you please, please, PLEASE create a new thread titled something like "Authentic hadiths that contradict the Quran" and share them here? Manana in advance. I assure you it'd be very educational for many Muslims who are not blind-followers.

[Pakhtunzai]

^Waleyy?

[erlangner]

I completely diagree.

Sangar is a valuable member and brother. He represents the core beliefs of Islam that form the back bone of the religion which has stood for the last 1400 years.

Disagree with him if you like, but what you are saying I do not back or support.

If they admit that they are,then who am i to prove them Muslim. However, I myself dont agree to Mulla jan. I believe firmly in Quran and the Mhammad as the last prophet. However my belief in Mulla is not matching you perhaps.

[Son of Mountains]

What is your belief in Mullah?

Mullah was created by Satan Hajaj Bin Yosaf
Mullah is being called as:
Molvi, Mullah, Molana, Mufti, Allama etc


My Question is: Have you ever listened these words for Sahabis, in a way that Molvi Abu Bakar Razi Allah said this and this.....Molana Usman e Ghani Razi Allah said that and that.....Mufti Omar Razi Allah said this this this.....Mullah Ali Razi Allah said that and that..........lol
Neither these words r used in Quraan!
That is all fraud and Hajaj's + Mirwan's + Yazeed's madhab which is being followed now a days by majority of the Muslims.....Alas!

[Ghurzang]

You are wrong and what you are saying doesn't make any sense. I advice to study further and do a little more research. Because you are making baseless assumptions that are absolutely not true.

This exact mentality is the reason why many young people become kaafirs. They don't put effort in studying Islam but they go around making baseless assumptions which eventually leads them further astray.

Look at Nadir Shah And Lewanaye Zalmaye here on PF. Both are blatant kuffaar. Yet they reveal that they don't know anything about Islam. They have rejected it without knowing what it is.

And your fate will be similar if you don't try harder to learn more about your religion.

Sangar khana..da sangar na kho der tez au tera guzaroona kay..But for ur kind information,This is not assumption ok.rather a thorough research have been made on the issue i raised.You need to broaden ur study canvas..i have studied Quran,Bukhari,many time,and also know about the history of Islam...I can provide u so many ahadiths wich contradict Quran and defile the great charecter of Prophet....But like usual mulvis u r going to announce us KAAFIR,this NARCISST reaction usually i recieve from ''TAQLEED PARAST MINDS,who dont dare to inquire or make some research.They follow what their elder said in past...As in Quran it mentioned that many races were destroyed because of their blind TAQLEED of their elders..The same we are facing in our community..For your kind information following are examples of few Ahadiths which will show u the real face.....

'' Narrated from Abo saeed Hizri,Prophet PBUH said,Never note/remember/write my saying(Qaol) except Quran.And if somebody wrote it,delete it.
(Saheh Muslim) Refernce ''Two Islam'' a book by Dr.Ghulam Jelani Barq.

Once Umar bin Khitab told to Sahaba''Go to your homes and bring all the stock of Ahadiths''when the stock was brought, Umar bonefired all in front of Sahaba.........(Tabqat Ibn e Saad.Jild.5,page 140)

Hundreds of ahadiths have been narrated from Abdullah bin Abas,but according to Allah Zahbi,at the time of Prophet death,the age of Abdullah was only 13 years....(how a 13 year old ''bachcha'' can narrate ahadiths in an age in which he does nt realize the mature responsibilities of life,How he can know about Nabi 's purpose of mission in such immature age????

Hzrat Umar during his khilafat bannd memorising and reciting Ahadiths.He focused on Quran only...See ''FAROOQ E AZAM ''by Shibli Naumani...
During the age of prophet it was exposed that many peopl falsely atributed ahadiths to prophet and when Prophet and Umar and Abobakar realized,they bannd narrating ahadiths..
So non of the arab sahaba compiled ahadiths rather after 115 roundabout the non arabs like,bukhari,nasaya,ibni maja,daood etc(all sahah e sitta were persians) thought for ahadiths compilation...If ahadiths were so important why not the Sahaba Umar and ABobakr etc did nt no compile and preserve ahadiths like Quran?????????????

Behind this is JEW-CHRISTIANS(which is also called persian conspiracy) mind was involved...These peopl tried their best to contaminate Quran but they invain as Quran preservation has been promised BY Allah so they turned their conspiracy to contaminate the great character of Prophet by making false ahadiths....This is not the matter of Belief or Iman rather this is history and history is not holy,its the composition of past events(can be true or false) which can be analysed,rationalized....

I am in short of time so remaining next time..But most of my brothers like Sangar etc dont fulfil the criteria of ''TAAQILOON,TAFAKKAROON,TADABBARON set by Quran.Rather they consider Ahadiths the part of their faith and Iman...Only Quran can be the part of Iman...Prophet left nothing ,only Quran....
The fundamental cause of sectarianism is false and self made ahadiths,Shias ,sunnis,have their own ahadiths...And as a result we have hundreds of Islam inspite of One Islam...(che somra rang ke patki de domra firqe de,,sheen patkai,speen patkai,tor patkai,brag patkai,,)

besides,We should focus on the subject matter of ahadiths.But i can not agree that prophet can say that when a muslim wash his hand for pray(wazo) his all sin will be forgiven.OK then if i kill a person or voilate someone rights then i will make a Wazo and all of my sins will be forgiven..Is this God justice????..This is actually mulla oriented ahadith just to make Islam as an easing going way because the Quran stated Islam is tough and need struggle,thinking,research,which distrb mullas so they made Islam ''araaaam pasand'' like Tableghi Firqa doing.....
Also ,Remember Arabic culture is not the part of Islam...confuse Mulla jan confused our community by mixing Arab culture with Islam..no no no...

(These were just highlights of research made by great scholars,God bless them.......SO DEAR SANGAR,,,I AM NOT THE ASSUMPTIONIST,My criteria is reason and research......
Baqi pukhto ke yu matal day che ''lambawal ye pa mula de au bakhal ye pa Allah de'' ..so i just discharged my duty to tell the truth,wether to accept or reject ,it lies in ur hand.......

But i am happy than many of my friends are not TAQLEED PARAST rather TANQEED pasand..and for that love you all

Ranra parast kho tang nazare na de
che oda kege nu ranra wajni
awal da hple hujre khan wajalam
os me da hpl jumat mula wajni.....

khushala au rokhana ose..

GhurzanG.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar khana..da sangar na kho der tez au tera guzaroona kay..But for ur kind information,This is not assumption ok.rather a thorough research have been made on the issue i raised.You need to broaden ur study canvas..i have studied Quran,Bukhari,many time,and also know about the history of Islam...I can provide u so many ahadiths wich contradict Quran and defile the great charecter of Prophet....But like usual mulvis u r going to announce us KAAFIR,this NARCISST reaction usually i recieve from ''TAQLEED PARAST MINDS,who dont dare to inquire or make some research.They follow what their elder said in past...As in Quran it mentioned that many races were destroyed because of their blind TAQLEED of their elders..The same we are facing in our community..For your kind information following are examples of few Ahadiths which will show u the real face.....

'' Narrated from Abo saeed Hizri,Prophet PBUH said,Never note/remember/write my saying(Qaol) except Quran.And if somebody wrote it,delete it.
(Saheh Muslim) Refernce ''Two Islam'' a book by Dr.Ghulam Jelani Barq.

Once Umar bin Khitab told to Sahaba''Go to your homes and bring all the stock of Ahadiths''when the stock was brought, Umar bonefired all in front of Sahaba.........(Tabqat Ibn e Saad.Jild.5,page 140)

Hundreds of ahadiths have been narrated from Abdullah bin Abas,but according to Allah Zahbi,at the time of Prophet death,the age of Abdullah was only 13 years....(how a 13 year old ''bachcha'' can narrate ahadiths in an age in which he does nt realize the mature responsibilities of life,How he can know about Nabi 's purpose of mission in such immature age????

Hzrat Umar during his khilafat bannd memorising and reciting Ahadiths.He focused on Quran only...See ''FAROOQ E AZAM ''by Shibli Naumani...
During the age of prophet it was exposed that many peopl falsely atributed ahadiths to prophet and when Prophet and Umar and Abobakar realized,they bannd narrating ahadiths..
So non of the arab sahaba compiled ahadiths rather after 115 roundabout the non arabs like,bukhari,nasaya,ibni maja,daood etc(all sahah e sitta were persians) thought for ahadiths compilation...If ahadiths were so important why not the Sahaba Umar and ABobakr etc did nt no compile and preserve ahadiths like Quran?????????????

Behind this is JEW-CHRISTIANS(which is also called persian conspiracy) mind was involved...These peopl tried their best to contaminate Quran but they invain as Quran preservation has been promised BY Allah so they turned their conspiracy to contaminate the great character of Prophet by making false ahadiths....This is not the matter of Belief or Iman rather this is history and history is not holy,its the composition of past events(can be true or false) which can be analysed,rationalized....

I am in short of time so remaining next time..But most of my brothers like Sangar etc dont fulfil the criteria of ''TAAQILOON,TAFAKKAROON,TADABBARON set by Quran.Rather they consider Ahadiths the part of their faith and Iman...Only Quran can be the part of Iman...Prophet left nothing ,only Quran....
The fundamental cause of sectarianism is false and self made ahadiths,Shias ,sunnis,have their own ahadiths...And as a result we have hundreds of Islam inspite of One Islam...(che somra rang ke patki de domra firqe de,,sheen patkai,speen patkai,tor patkai,brag patkai,,)

besides,We should focus on the subject matter of ahadiths.But i can not agree that prophet can say that when a muslim wash his hand for pray(wazo) his all sin will be forgiven.OK then if i kill a person or voilate someone rights then i will make a Wazo and all of my sins will be forgiven..Is this God justice????..This is actually mulla oriented ahadith just to make Islam as an easing going way because the Quran stated Islam is tough and need struggle,thinking,research,which distrb mullas so they made Islam ''araaaam pasand'' like Tableghi Firqa doing.....
Also ,Remember Arabic culture is not the part of Islam...confuse Mulla jan confused our community by mixing Arab culture with Islam..no no no...

(These were just highlights of research made by great scholars,God bless them.......SO DEAR SANGAR,,,I AM NOT THE ASSUMPTIONIST,My criteria is reason and research......
Baqi pukhto ke yu matal day che ''lambawal ye pa mula de au bakhal ye pa Allah de'' ..so i just discharged my duty to tell the truth,wether to accept or reject ,it lies in ur hand.......

But i am happy than many of my friends are not TAQLEED PARAST rather TANQEED pasand..and for that love you all

Ranra parast kho tang nazare na de
che oda kege nu ranra wajni
awal da hple hujre khan wajalam
os me da hpl jumat mula wajni.....

khushala au rokhana ose..

GhurzanG.

LOOOOL!

More assumptions and more hot air.

Do yourself a favor and read some of my previous posts on Pashtunforums before you pass judgement on who I am and what I am about.

[erlangner]

Ghurzang Thanks for your kind information. what we call eeman, we say, I believe in Allah, Angels, Holly Books, Holly Prophets, Day of judgment, bad and Good from Allah, and life after death. I think no confusion is there on these things, and so to call someone kafir is a difficult job, so it should be avoided.

[Mujib]

Prophet left nothing ,only Quran....

From where, then, do we learn prayer (namaz)?