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  • #16
    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
    so in other words ...Islam is a religion of balance we do not stray to any extreme.

    which means people who do whether it's the Taliban or Irshad Manji; are not embodying Islam.
    The "Talibans" is a group of people with different goals. Among them are muslims fighting for Allah SWT and among them are hypocrites not fighting for Allah SWT.

    However, all the people in the ANA or in the ANP or collaborating with the invaders by any mean whatsover are apostates. All of them.

    It's not me who says so. It's Allah SWT who says so. It's written in the Holy Qur'an.

    Also, it is a duty for all muslims to support the Mujahideens who are fighting against the invaders.

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    • #17
      That's not true; many ANA are Taliban or have affiliations with the Taliban; many ANA are just poor people who just want to eat and support their families. Many legitimately believe the Taliban are tyrants and have realized it is better to fight them than live under their tyranny. Very few of the ANA actually embrace being invaded by a foreign infidel power; they just dont want their society to remain a incompetent dump that it was during the Taliban

      Likewise many Taliban, rank and file are sincere and genuinely believe they're fighting for righteous goals alone; the Leaderhip; Mullah Umar , the Quetta Shura, those who delude the hopes of the naive; who prey upon their desperation; are the foundations of the Taliban and these men are hypocrites indeed.

      Sure let's agree that Islam teaches that Muslims must support those who fight Injustice; there's one catch; they cannot engage in or perpetuate injustice themselves; This is also in the words of Allah (swt).

      Which means that this claim to support the Taliban no longer applies ....it isn't me who said this; it is Allah(swt).

      Maybe you should read ALL of the Islaimic sources and not just the parts you can misconstrue.
      Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 04-16-2012, 06:28 PM.
      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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      • #18
        ^ Is it just me ..

        or does anyone else think this is Scimitar reincarnate?

        lol

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        • #19
          kama ra aw bord, mullah nasrudinish ale khabar shud. kati komaye gulabet muft par namezade da ey rozaa. good luck.

          I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

          non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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          • #20
            Your farsi has a pashtoo accent it. Makes it difficult to understand.
            ma na pamidom tu che gufti

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            • #21
              khob shud k napamedi. a pashtu accent while speaking dari is much better than a faked one.

              I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

              non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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              • #22
                ^ that assertion is debatable.
                And I won't debate you ...because you are a woman.

                lol

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dazahrojaam. View Post
                  kama ra aw bord, mullah nasrudinish ale khabar shud. Kati komaye gulabet muft par namezade da ey rozaa. Good luck.

                  گرچہ فارسي در عذوبت شکر است

                  طرز گفتار ليمه شيرين تر است
                  "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                  "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
                    ^ that assertion is debatable.
                    And I won't debate you ...because you are a woman.

                    lol
                    being a woman is a whole lot better than being a man who sounds like typical one. i won't argue over that with you because you are not a man.

                    Last edited by IamDZJ; 04-20-2012, 05:35 AM.

                    I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                    non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                    • #25
                      I am glad we agree that arguing with women, or womenlike, is pointless.

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                      • #26
                        The extremists islamists hate the non-muslims, they give a bad name to islam, unfortunately .
                        But the majority of muslims are imaan-dar people, it's 2-3% extremists who give a bad name
                        Of course, islam is a religion of peace, without them
                        .

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                        • #27
                          Islam is a beautiful...peaceful
                          religion.

                          I love...it.

                          Praise be to Allah s.w.t the...Creator of the

                          Heaven and...Earth.
                          I believe the sun should never set upon an argument.
                          I believe forgiveness is the key to your unhappiness.

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                          • #28
                            Freedom in the Quran, absolute freedom unparalleld in human literature

                            16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

                            6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

                            4:79-80 Say:'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. A nd for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

                            11:28 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?

                            17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

                            21:107-109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour is near or far."

                            22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord. You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, `God best knows what you do."

                            24.54. Say: "Obey God, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

                            88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

                            48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

                            36:16 17 (Three Messengers to their people) Said, "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

                            39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

                            42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

                            64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

                            67:25 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."

                            10.99-100. If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

                            28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant," It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.

                            109.1-6 Say : O ye that reject Faith,! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, To you be your Way, and to me mine.

                            74.11-17 Leave Me with whom I created alone!, To whom I granted resources in abundance, And sons to be by his side, To whom I made (life) smooth and comfortable, Yet is he greedy-that I should add (yet more);- By no means! For to Our Signs he has been refractory!, Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities!

                            "So have We appointed for every Prophet an enemy - devils of men and Jinns; who inspire each other with seductive, deceptive speech which leads astray; but had thy Lord willed they would not have done so. So leave them with what they do devise. And let the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter listen to it; and let them be well pleased with it; and let them gain what they can gain!" 6:113-114

                            "And when you see those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil causes you to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrongdoers. 6:68

                            2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing


                            Quran is peace!

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                            • #29
                              ^ most muslims probably dont even know such verses exist in the quran, please show them to the extremists mullahs and also extremist seculars

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                              • #30
                                karachi is one of the more level headed guys here.
                                There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                                Sayyid Qutb

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