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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sangar View Post
    What a clown! Did I apostate or did I become a Muslim?

    Another pathetic case who wishes to see me dead.
    I dont believe in killing you or chopping your head off as would have done by one who believe to kill an apostate like you as i said I welcome you not to see you dead.

    Ok so were you born non Muslim in Afghanistan in your Ahmadzai family and then converted to Islam few years ago..is it......or you were first ,Muslim then non Muslim and now again Muslim,,which you call murtad.........please explain

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    • #17
      Originally posted by osho View Post

      Where are Azmatullah, Abubakar, Mukhasis and others brothers to perform their religious duty to kill the murtad, the apostate Sangar.


      We wont because we dont believe that an apostate may be killed............we welcome him once again in the fold of Islam.
      Quoted for truth!
      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sangar View Post
        where did I say that I am a murtad? Its so pathetic to see you guys have run out of option and you are resorting to this kind of childish behavior because you fail make an argument. LOL
        Here you said

        Originally Posted by Sangar

        To tell you something personal about myself. I wasn't really a Muslim 5 years ago. I was more of an agnostic before that.

        After I accepted Islam for a while I was with all sorts of people.

        was not really a Muslim...........you were non Muslim

        after i accepted Islam-------------you came back to isalm,,,the definition of a murtad or apostate

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        • #19
          Originally posted by osho View Post
          You are such an intelligent person Momin by God I could not think of this aspect of the post of Sangar

          Where are Azmatullah, Abubakar, Mukhasis and others brothers to perform their religious duty to kill the murtad, the apostate Sangar. We wont because we dont believe that an apostate may be killed............we welcome him once again in the fold of Islam.

          And sangar PF is not only a religious site. religion is only one section out of many so dont advise people to leave this site and they waste their time. Really even in religion what Im learn here I did not learn any where. Friends like Momin has a kot to offer here. We need people here on Pashtunforums to reject the extremmist Islam like yours as Pashtuns are the worst sufferers of the radicalism and extremism.

          And I am sorry of this digression but will request Sangar to refute the verses given by Muslimah above on the peaceful side of Islam.
          Could you show me where i have said all apostates must be killed? If you can't provide me with a quote then you have only ended up making yourself look like a complete idiot.

          I will await your reply with evidence this time.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Azmatullah View Post
            Could you show me where i have said all apostates must be killed? If you can't provide me with a quote then you have only ended up making yourself look like a complete idiot.

            I will await your reply with evidence this time.

            Oh! You don't believe that apostates, murtadeen, should be killed? I also thought you did.
            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
              Sangar, what is it that you want. Honestly?

              Your views are your views. Our view are our views. However, if we are going to attribute anything to Islam it has to be from the Holy Quran and the sunnah of our beloved Prophet (saw).

              Many times you have claimed things and not backed them up. I have requested you to and you have not. Should I start calling you a liar now?

              The first thing I want you to post is where on earth did you get the idea that our Prophet (saw) said that we should not allow other faiths to preach?

              We have to start holding you accountable for what you claim. You are making a mockery of Islam.
              You have done the same. You've said many times, Allah (swt) said so and so in the Holy Qur'an, but have failed to state the reference which you've taken it from.

              Do you think what you say is always correct and anyone with opposing views are wrong? When you are asked to provide evidence, all you say is the burden of proof lies on the other side. You are not a scholar, what you say holds no substance, if you can't back it up.

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              • #22
                it was just a remark more a joke not some thing serious that you must kill some one . if you believe that all apostates may not be killed then again its welcomed as half of the apostates are saved but I never said that Azmatullah or others said that all apostates may be killed ..it was just a non serious remark malgarya ,,,chills,,,,,,,,,,,take it easy

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Azmatullah View Post
                  You have done the same. You've said many times, Allah (swt) said so and so in the Holy Qur'an, but have failed to state the reference which you've taken it from.

                  Do you think what you say is always correct and anyone with opposing views are wrong? When you are asked to provide evidence, all you say is the burden of proof lies on the other side. You are not a scholar, what you say holds no substance, if you can't back it up.



                  Please tell me what I have not backed up.

                  Please don't assume who is and who is not a scholar, just because I don't prostrate in front of your "scholar."

                  You are such a fan of Murtad Sangar. So, who should do the honours of killing him?
                  Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                  [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                  [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                  • #24
                    I am really sorry to take the topic away but will Azmatullah you may tell me that according to YOU and in the light of the above declaration of sangar is he a Murtad or not..............and does he fall in the category to be killed as punishmnet for his apostacy or not,,,,,,,please advise

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by osho View Post
                      I am really sorry to take the topic away but will Azmatullah you may tell me that according to YOU and in the light of the above declaration of sangar is he a Murtad or not..............and does he fall in the category to be killed as punishmnet for his apostacy or not,,,,,,,please advise
                      Stop jumping to conclusions.

                      I am in no position to offer you advice.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                        Please tell me what I have not backed up.

                        Please don't assume who is and who is not a scholar, just because I don't prostrate in front of your "scholar."

                        You are such a fan of Murtad Sangar. So, who should do the honours of killing him?
                        Who are my scholars? I didn't know i had any? Your arrogance has no limits.

                        Here are a two post, in which you have attributed sayings to Allah (swt) but have not provided the reference. I am not saying what you've said is wrong, you have just not given the source. But then you accuse Sangar of not doing the same. You will do good, if you can act upon your own advice.

                        http://www.pashtunforums.com/showpos...&postcount=204
                        http://www.pashtunforums.com/showpos...&postcount=207

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                        • #27
                          Imagine another thing.

                          Murtar Sangar is saying that we should not allow preaching of Christianity in Afghanistan because innocent people will get converted. I confronted him with the fact that many people have left Islam when they came to the West. I asked him which one was worst he said that we should not allow Christianity to be preached in Afghanistan.

                          What is the irony is that he himself left Islam in the West. Luckily for him that he was not in Afghanistan, otherwise he would have been killed. He would not have seen another day.

                          Luckily that he was living in the West, he had another chance to accept Islam. What is sad and frightening is that he does not want to extend the same favour that was bestowed upon him to others who leave Islam: to have a chance to return to Islam.

                          It is just mind-boggling that a murtad who returned to Islam is calling for the categorical murders of those who leave Islam.

                          When someone has figured out the logic behind Murtad Mullah Sangar's logic, please post it.
                          Last edited by MeemWawMeemNoon; 06-08-2010, 11:02 PM.
                          Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                          [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                          [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                          • #28
                            He is a Muslim not a Murtad, and it is rude of you to call him otherwise.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Azmatullah View Post
                              Who are my scholars? I didn't know i had any? Your arrogance has no limits.

                              Here are a two post, in which you have attributed sayings to Allah (swt) but have not provided the reference. I am not saying what you've said is wrong, you have just not given the source. But then you accuse Sangar of not doing the same. You will do good, if you can act upon your own advice.

                              http://www.pashtunforums.com/showpos...&postcount=204
                              http://www.pashtunforums.com/showpos...&postcount=207

                              If you are not saying that they are wrong, then case closed. Murtad Mullah Sangar has not provided anything from the Holy Quran. That is the difference. And, that is what we want from him.

                              I am not arrogant, believe me. I just know how to put you hypocrites in your place.
                              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Azmatullah View Post
                                He is a Muslim not a Murtad, and it is rude of you to call him otherwise.
                                According to his own logic murtadeen should be killed. Therefore, he never had the right to come back to Islam. He should have been killed. He left Islam. He was a murtad.

                                I will stop calling him a murtad when he admits that a murtad should not be killed.

                                The ball is in his court.

                                Until then, he is: Murtad Mullah Sangar.
                                Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                                [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                                [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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