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  • Split Topic: Apostasy and its Punishment

    Originally posted by Muslimah View Post
    I don't get Sangar, seriously, why you always want to tear every good thing about Islam to smithereens.
    Like, you want people to hate Islam, fear Islam and think we're a bunch of terrorists.
    If that's what you honestly think, I question you as a Muslim.
    I was asked to invite my friends here to PF, and it is people like you stopping me. I don't want new converts to think we're monsters. Because that isn't true.
    As far as I am concerned, Islam brings peace. You haven't yet shown me any contradiction to what I have posted. Only silly little comments.
    Since you are good at bringing out the negative in everything, what do you have to refute it?
    Stop being such a drama-queen. Where did I say that Islam doesn't bring peace?

    The problem is not me or what I say. The problem is your limited scope of comprehension.

    The truth is, I only wish to see people have a complete comprehensive understanding of Islam rather than a pick-and-choose version whihc only suites a certain world vision.

    Islam contains aspects that are designed to make human soceites civilized, stable and peaceful. But Islam does not exclude violence. In Islam we are allowed to use violence for good purposes.

    Obviously you are here trying to make me look like Osama Bin Laden. Because from all the 1300 something posts I made, in not one of those posts did I ever preach random killing of innocent people.

    All I did is point out that killing of apostates is and fornicators does exist in Shari'ah law and it has been applied for the past 1400 years.

    For that I am labeled as someone who preaches terrorism.

    This reveals more about you as a person and your motives than me. Since my posts on this forum are open for everyone to read them. They are not censored.

    Therefor, I suggest you quit the drama and get over yourself and do what every convert has to do: seek a community of people who are knowledgeable in Islam so that they can help you learn and understand Islam better.

    You are wasting your time here on Pashtun forums. Half of the forum members reject half of Qur'an and hadith and want Islam to adapt to Western values. The other half are either ignorant of Islam to be of any use for a new Muslim like you. Or they have no time to teach you. And when you do get some information to digest, instead of reading it, you go about engaging in useless debates siding with people who probably have even less knowledge of Islam than you do.

    Be wise and do the right thing. Go find a good forum with lots of knowledgeable Muslims who can help you learn more about Islam. This is a critical period of your life. You need to study Islam thoroughly so you won't end up misguided or end up apostating.

    here is a forum where you might be able to learn a thing or two and find some good friend who are willing to help you understand Islam better: http://www.ummah.com/forum/

    To tell you something personal about myself. I wasn't really a Muslim 5 years ago. I was more of an agnostic before that.

    After I accepted Islam for a while I was with all sorts of people. And I've wasted allot of time with Muslims who were ignorant of their religion. And they did not benefit me. It was only recently that I started to learn allot about Islam. This thanks to finding a community of knowledgeable people who are devout and practicing Muslims.

    So I advice you to go and find devout practiiing Muslims who can help you.

    Stop wasting your time here with useless debates where you make no sense what so ever because you lack knowledge and you are only being misguided and accusing people of being terrorists.

    You are grown up woman. Start behaving like one and do whats good for you. You have no time to waste chatting on Pashtunforums with a few Pashtuns who probably never read the entire Quran nor understood any of it.
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    Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
    Sangar, what is it that you want. Honestly?

    Your views are your views. Our view are our views. However, if we are going to attribute anything to Islam it has to be from the Holy Quran and the sunnah of our beloved Prophet (saw).

    Many times you have claimed things and not backed them up. I have requested you to and you have not. Should I start calling you a liar now?

    The first thing I want you to post is where on earth did you get the idea that our Prophet (saw) said that we should not allow other faiths to preach?

    We have to start holding you accountable for what you claim. You are making a mockery of Islam.
    You are projecting your own self image on me.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sangar View Post

      To tell you something personal about myself. I wasn't really a Muslim 5 years ago. I was more of an agnostic before that.

      After I accepted Islam
      for a while I was with all sorts of people. And I've wasted allot of time with Muslims who were ignorant of their religion. And they did not benefit me. It was only recently that I started to learn allot about Islam. This thanks to finding a community of knowledgeable people who are devout and practicing Muslims.

      If we follow your logic you should have been killed. What are you doing still alive? You were an apostate, a murtad.
      Last edited by MeemWawMeemNoon; 06-08-2010, 09:54 PM.
      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
        If we follow your logic you should have been killed. What are you doing still alive? You were an apostate. A murtad.
        I use do love to see me dead, don't you? LOL!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sangar View Post
          Stop being such a drama-queen.
          Can't help that...I'm a girl....

          Originally posted by Sangar View Post
          here is a forum where you might be able to learn a thing or two and find some good friend who are willing to help you understand Islam better: http://www.ummah.com/forum/
          Thanks, I will look into it. I do have an ummah, and I am studying inshAllah. I spend time on PF AS WELL as taking classes and reading 24/7.

          Originally posted by Sangar View Post
          After I accepted Islam for a while I was with all sorts of people. And I've wasted allot of time with Muslims who were ignorant of their religion. And they did not benefit me. It was only recently that I started to learn allot about Islam. This thanks to finding a community of knowledgeable people who are devout and practicing Muslims.
          Alhamdulillah. I am proud of you.


          Originally posted by Sangar View Post
          You are grown up woman. Start behaving like one and do whats good for you. You have no time to waste chatting on Pashtunforums with a few Pashtuns who probably never read the entire Quran nor understood any of it.
          I don't think that is fair of you to say. PF has some very knowledgeable and helpful brothers and sisters. And I wouldn't EVER say my time on PF is "wasted". I am learning a lot thank you very much. Of course, there are no scholars here so I take everything with a grain of salt, but you can't mistaken ayas and hadiths to back up arguments.


          So....nobody to say Islam doesn't promote peace? Well..that makes me happy! I am glad we are all on the same page!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sangar View Post
            You are projecting your own self image on me.
            You accuse others of comprehension issues? You should be the last one to talk. You have many issues, one of them is comprehension.
            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sangar View Post
              I use do love to see me dead, don't you? LOL!

              You don't make sense.

              Honestly, answer my question: you were an apostate, should you not have been killed?
              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                You accuse others of comprehension issues? You should be the last one to talk. You have many issues, one of them is comprehension.
                you are an angry frustrated guy.
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                • #9
                  ok ok
                  back to the original topic.
                  Quit being immature. Man up! Get over your drama!

                  ANY THING DISPROVING PEACE IN ISLAM??

                  THAT is the topic. If you can't answer it, get the heck out of this thread and keep your mouth shut. Thanks!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                    If we follow your logic you should have been killed. What are you doing still alive? You were an apostate, a murtad.
                    You are such an intelligent person Momin by God I could not think of this aspect of the post of Sangar

                    Where are Azmatullah, Abubakar, Mukhasis and others brothers to perform their religious duty to kill the murtad, the apostate Sangar. We wont because we dont believe that an apostate may be killed............we welcome him once again in the fold of Islam.

                    And sangar PF is not only a religious site. religion is only one section out of many so dont advise people to leave this site and they waste their time. Really even in religion what Im learn here I did not learn any where. Friends like Momin has a kot to offer here. We need people here on Pashtunforums to reject the extremmist Islam like yours as Pashtuns are the worst sufferers of the radicalism and extremism.

                    And I am sorry of this digression but will request Sangar to refute the verses given by Muslimah above on the peaceful side of Islam.

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                    • #11
                      muchas gracias mi hermanito!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by osho View Post
                        You are such an intelligent person Momin by God I could not think of this aspect of the post of Sangar

                        Where are Azmatullah, Abubakar, Mukhasis and others brothers to perform their religious duty to kill the murtad, the apostate Sangar. We wont because we dont believe that an apostate may be killed............we welcome him once again in the fold of Islam.

                        And sangar PF is not only a religious site. religion is only one section out of many so dont advise people to leave this site and they waste their time. Really even in religion what Im learn here I did not learn any where. Friends like Momin has a kot to offer here. We need people here on Pashtunforums to reject the extremmist Islam like yours as Pashtuns are the worst sufferers of the radicalism and extremism.

                        And I am sorry of this digression but will request Sangar to refute the verses given by Muslimah above on the peaceful side of Islam.
                        What a clown! Did I apostate or did I become a Muslim?

                        Another pathetic case who wishes to see me dead.
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                        • #13
                          no sangar
                          we don't want to see you dead. We disagreed with that...remember?
                          Your friends would want to see you dead - as they said repeatedly. We want you around! Cuz we're nice like that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                            you are an angry frustrated guy.
                            I am not. You are just frustrated and angry that you can't fool me.

                            According to your own admission you are a murtad and should have been killed--as per your own dogma, yes your dogma.

                            You have lost ALL credibility.

                            I have never said this to you before but I will say it now.

                            Shame on you. You are a liar.
                            Last edited by MeemWawMeemNoon; 06-08-2010, 10:16 PM.
                            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                            • #15
                              where did I say that I am a murtad? Its so pathetic to see you guys have run out of option and you are resorting to this kind of childish behavior because you fail make an argument. LOL
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