Is mortgage haram?

[emkhan]

i reallt didn't want to say this to you but you have left me with no choice.
ghul makhora. khpal kar sara kar lara.

Secularists are more intolerant when it comes to absorbing the bitter truth. za laanat wayam pa daasey schooling baande. shame shame

[ozymandias]

Science is theoretical, god is everywhere.

You have that backwards. Science is proven, god is not.

Take for example, Oxymandius

You have been shot or stabbed and you are bleeding everywhere. How would you react?

Call for a doctor and have them save me through medical science.

I know your response, your going to say that you will remain calm and hope for the best. The real reaction you will make is you'll start praying. Praying to Allah, Jesus, Krishna anybody to help you out.

Why would you think that? I am not religious, nor do I believe in a god or the supernatural. Why would I pray?

The Pharoah was blind deaf and dumb to Moses sign of god. It was only after the waters of the red were drowning him, till he realized that the god of Abraham was thee god.

I guess if you like, go on living ignorance of god. When your close to death, then you will realizenthe truth. I'm afraid it will be too late.

When I am given evidence, then we can talk. Until that point, there is no reason for me to believe.

[ozymandias]

Proof me that there is no God , if you speak the truth...

For someone that claims to be educated in science, you sure seem to have no understanding of it.

Bring me a single phrase of you or of any human that can match a single vers of the quran.

What do you mean? Every sentence I have posted here 'matches' the koran. What metric are you using?

[ozymandias]

He's not claiming that there is No God, he's saying he lacks a belief in a God, because there's no convincing evidence.

These two positions are much different.

Thanks.

[کیش]

Moses lid the sky with repeated miracles, but Pharoah refused to belief everytime. Then people of Noah laughed at him for creating an ark. Noah warned them that a flood will besiege you, yet they mocked with fury. What happened to Noah's people? Destroyed by the flood.

You know the story. I know in your head you are saying, "how can anyone belief in god?" when this world has all the answers. Even if God sends evidence, people like you will still be stubborn and clinge to their believes.

I don't need to show you any evidence.

[ozymandias]

Moses lid the sky with repeated miracles, but Pharoah refused to belief everytime.

Where are the modern day miracles? Ones that have either been seen by me personally, or recorded on a reliable source? It's interesting how miracles are never caught on tape, or witnessed by a reliable source...

Then people of Noah laughed at him for creating an ark. Noah warned them that a flood will besiege you, yet they mocked with fury. What happened to Noah's people? Destroyed by the flood.

Well, that's not true. Where is the historical evidence of these events? You are citing a fable as proof of something, and need to prove the fable as true first.

You know the story. I know in your head you are saying, "how can anyone belief in god?" when this world has all the answers. Even if God sends evidence, people like you will still be stubborn and clinge to their believes.

It's nice that you have a theory, but until evidence is presented, we will never know, will we?

I don't need to show you any evidence.

That's fair enough -- but don't expected educated people to believe without evidence.

[کیش]

Ah yes educated peoples. Reading stories from the scriptures as if they were reading Aesop's Fables. How smart are you folks if you do not get the meanings of these stories? The scriptures are pretty much the same main idea, but with different names and what not. So what is the main idea? Well, in short it is that they are always a group of people who are steadfast to their beliefs. Then theirs the protagonist who tries to save his fellow countrymen. Repeating his efforts to show evidence, yet the educated people wanted to see more evidence. Its always more evidence.

You want to see a miracle in front of you? God send Muhammad to this earth, that is the last huge miracle you will get. God will send Dajjal soon, he will lid the sky with evidence you want to see to make you belief in a god. I warn you to not wait until that day, I'm not trying to convert you to Islam. I just don't want you to be a supporter of Dajjal.

Dajjal can fool Atheist the most since he will lid the sky with the kind of miracles you wanna see.

[ozymandias]

Ah yes educated peoples. Reading stories from the scriptures as if they were reading Aesop's Fables. How smart are you folks if you do not get the meanings of these stories? The scriptures are pretty much the same main idea, but with different names and what not. So what is the main idea? Well, in short it is that they are always a group of people who are steadfast to their beliefs. Then theirs the protagonist who tries to save his fellow countrymen. Repeating his efforts to show evidence, yet the educated people wanted to see more evidence. Its always more evidence.

You want to see a miracle in front of you? God send Muhammad to this earth, that is the last huge miracle you will get. God will send Dajjal soon, he will lid the sky with evidence you want to see to make you belief in a god. I warn you to not wait until that die, I'm not trying to convert you to Islam. I just don't want you to be a supporter of Dajjal.

Well, sorry. If your god can't even provide evidence he exists, there is no reason to believe in him then.

[کیش]

I'm sorry you are referring to the lord as "My god". He isn't mine.

You need to stop acting like Pharoah, no matter how weird the comparison might seem right know.

[Al Hanif]

Well, sorry. If your god can't even provide evidence he exists, there is no reason to believe in him then.

1. it's not because there is no reason to believe in him that he doesn't exist


2. it's not because there is no reason to believe in him that I should not believe in him


do you harass people who are scared of dogs by going to medical forums explaining them how irrational their behaviour is ?

[ozymandias]

I'm sorry you are referring to the lord as "My god". He isn't mine.

I was not aware you are an atheist. Your posting makes it appear that you believe in a god. I apologize for the mistake.

You need to stop acting like Pharoah, no matter how weird the comparison might seem right know.

How am I acting like 'Pharaoh'? You just stated that i would *not* be shown evidence and miracles, while he was explicitly shown evidence and miracles? He is a fictional character with no historical proof he participated in these events, while I am a factual person. I don't understand on what grounds we are being compared.

[ozymandias]

1. it's not because there is no reason to believe in him that he doesn't exist

Could you restate this? I do not understand the point you are trying to make. You used way to many negatives in that sentence. Removing the double negatives leaves us with "it's because there are reasons to believe in him, so he exists" and that is still gibberish and foolish.

2. it's not because there is no reason to believe in him that I should not believe in him

Again, I am not sure what you are trying to say here. You should not believe in a god because there is no evidence to believe, and you should not believe in things that have no evidence -- especially when those things are harmful.

do you harass people who are scared of dogs by going to medical forums explaining them how irrational their behaviour is ?

No. Who is 'harrassing' anyone here? If anything, I am the subject of harassment, and I come here to post so that people realize how unjustified that harassment is.

[کیش]

I was not aware you are an atheist. Your posting makes it appear that you believe in a god. I apologize for the mistake.



How am I acting like 'Pharaoh'? You just stated that i would *not* be shown evidence and miracles, while he was explicitly shown evidence and miracles? He is a fictional character with no historical proof he participated in these events, while I am a factual person. I don't understand on what grounds we are being compared.

How?

Pharoah did not belief what Moses was saying. Pharoah believed that his Gods (believes) was above Moses's evidence. Pharaoh believing in his pagan religion is similar to your beliefs of Atheism. Pharoah laughed at Moses's statement of their being only one god claiming one being cannot create everything in the universe. Stating that they are individual god's that controls every aspect of life. You are claiming (and alot others) that Science is held solely responsible to all the evidence you see in front of you. That science controls each aspect of life.

I hope you can see the comparison. If the story is real or not it doesn't matter. The main idea is what's important.

[Afghanistan2010]

@ozymandias
you do not understand many things too many things....you have a rational or retard thinking it is reduced to that which you can make a model or try it out in a laboratory,but there are many things you can't try in a laboratory or make a model of it to explain it to yourself because they are not explainable as that much easy as you think.

[ozymandias]

How?

Pharoah did not belief what Moses was saying. Pharoah believed that his Gods (believes) was above Moses's evidence. Pharaoh believing in his pagan religion is similar to your beliefs of Atheism.

You are ignoring the fact that in that story, Pharaoh was provided evidence, and you have admitted that there is no modern evidence for your god.

Pharoah laughed at Moses's statement of their being only one god claiming one being cannot create everything in the universe. Stating that they are individual god's that controls every aspect of life. You are claiming (and alot others) that Science is held solely responsible to all the evidence you see in front of you. That science controls each aspect of life.

If anything, it is you that is taking the role of Pharaoh, claiming that the old ways were true, and that science could not possibly explain all of reality, and ignoring the evidence, while failing to provide evidence of your own.

I hope you can see the comparison. If the story is real or not it doesn't matter. The main idea is what's important.

Right -- and now that you explained it that way, I see that you are Pharaoh, clasping to your old religion, despite the fact that evidence has shown that your religion is wrong, and outdated.