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  • #16
    Nurzai,
    Wait a second - from what do you call my comments "rabidly pro American"?
    Yes, I am an atheist - I am being honest with you and not hiding it.

    But from where do you conclude that I am "rabidly pro American"?
    I have shown in my comments that I have criticized some policies of the US govt, but I have also mentioned that I feel some outsiders came into the US and tried to steer their govt into doing certain things which were not the tendency of most Americans.
    And these outsiders imposed this agenda, because they were fighting for their foreign homelands.

    Similarly, local Afghans did not want to see World Trade Center destroyed. But some outsiders came into Afghanistan and steered those in power (Taliban) to help them carry out their agenda. And these outsiders imposed this agenda because they were fighting for their foreign homelands. But most ordinary Afghans did not know such things were happening, nor did they want the 9-11 attacks to happen.

    So when I say this, how does it make me "rabidly pro American"?

    Nextly, you have seen me debating in the religion forum about science and evolution, etc. Well, I admit, perhaps I should not have entered into that debate, because then people like you will see it as an attack on Islam. But I feel Alchemist is peddling nonsense arguments, so that's why I argued in support of science, which I know to be correct. You must understand that scientific theories like evolution aren't in disagreement with Islam in particular, but rather in disagreement with all religions in general. So I don't see why you have to take it so personally, that this is somehow an attack on Islam.

    As I said in another thread - rely upon religion for moral decision-making and guidance, but use technical science when it comes to analyzing the physical world.

    I feel you are not adequately exposed to the wider outside world, and this is why you have strange notions about the rest of the world. You should gain more exposure to the rest of the world, instead of being a shut-in who hasn't seen the outside.

    Pakistani govt likes such closed-off people, because they are easier to manipulate.

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    • #17
      Yes, you are obsessed with Pakistan and their various government agencies and insisting that anyone with certain ideas is somehow connected to Pakistan, ISI. It is difficult for you to make one post without incorporating Pakistan or ISI reference. US government is also currently VERY concerned with these same entities. Again, whose payroll are you on? You're just one of those people that must feel in control of everyone and everything on earth. You're obsessed with politics. You feel that you are in position to advise people of what they need to do and need not do. You can tell me and anyone else that you encounter "why" and "how" it is that they believe what they do or are the type of person that they are. You know everything about everything and everybody. You are a self appointed god. You feel the world and all of its people are your business. It disturbs you when you realize that there are large portions of people out there that absorb little or nothing from your particular camp's social propaganda machine.... Not sure what a "shut-in" is. I have travelled Europe and Russia, Asia and North America and will be with my mother in Afghanistan soon. You see, you do not know as fact all that you believe yourself to know. When you speak of me being someone who hasn't "seen the outside", you don't mean this literally. You mean that I haven't properly absorbed social engineering techniques and propaganda. When you say that you feel I am not "adequately exposed to the wider outside world", this is of course not literally true, what this translates to is that I have not adequately absorbed the Western social engineering intended. US government hates such people, because they are difficult or impossible to manipulate.

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      • #18
        I'm on nobody's payroll, Nurzai. I'm not ordering you or anybody around, either - this is a discussion - on a discussion board. You are the one taking everything so personally. Okay, fine, fine - if you've traveled abroad, that's great, but for someone who's traveled, you sure are paranoid.

        On ISI's role in creating Taliban - what proof will satisfy you? Tell me. Or do you just want others to run around endlessly, while you keep shaking your head and saying "Nope, not good enough, try again"

        What do you consider to be proof? What is your proof that zionists are doing things to Afghanistan? What is your proof that I am a secret agent on someone's payroll? What is your proof that I have appointed myself a god? What is your proof that I am part of a social propaganda machine?

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        • #19
          (Administrators-I apologize for being off topic and will not post in this thread beyond this) sanman, We know you are not a Muslim but are you descendent of Pashtuns or connected personally in any way to us? If not, why are you at this forum?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
            Jamaluddin is trolling and the disgusting and disgraceful thing is he's doing it t the expense of Muslim lives. Real lives are at stake here and he treats this like a joke
            Show me proof, Mr..

            Where is your proof that I'm trolling.... Most of my posts have been related to the given topic. Pardon me..unlike you sir!

            Also, you are committing the adhominem fallacy yet again, so to divert attention from the topic...nice try.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nurzai View Post
              US government hates such people, because they are difficult or impossible to manipulate.
              Your really paranoid!
              [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLflrGStfaY]Afghan Loghari dance- Homayoun Sakhi, Salar Nader & Mariam - YouTube[/url]

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Nurzai View Post
                (Administrators-I apologize for being off topic and will not post in this thread beyond this) sanman, We know you are not a Muslim but are you descendent of Pashtuns or connected personally in any way to us? If not, why are you at this forum?
                Exactly why are you on this forum and what has being a Non Muslim got to do with it?

                This isnt Muslimforums.com, its Pashtunforums.com and not all Pashtuns would agree with your view of Islam. So lets keep ones faith out of this.

                Why would somebody come onto a forum and be paid by a intelligence agency at the same time. I see no logic in that. What makes people like you so special to brainwash? What would people like me acheive having you on board with us.

                What do you offer for us nasty intelligence paid officers on Pashtunforums?

                What will a 15 year old kid obcessed with Zionist conspiracies offer for people like me?

                If I was to be paid by a intelligence agency to brainwash gullable Pashtuns I would have joined the ISI and worked part time at Darul Haqqania!

                Nurzai, the topic of the thread is pure illogical nonsense.

                Why should one be offended by being told they will go to Hell, doesnt your Allah decide that, so why be so bothered.

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                • #23
                  Jamaludeen, likely you know answer to your own question. With absolutely no disrespect to you intended - this question is sad. A forum of this sort is no place to ask such questions.
                  Yes you are correct I think he should pass this question onto Mullah Omar.

                  "The public" decide NOTHING. Allah decides all. Scripture instructs us again and again that in many aspects of life on this Earth, intent is everything. Only you and Allah know of your own intent in whatever the matter may be. And even though the concept of "intent" is not directly relative to your subject here, it is something to always keep in mind. You should use my general mode of operation. Do not give serious thought to infidels. Remember you are concerning yourself with the feelings of a rabidly pro American, pro Western ATHIEST.
                  The public plays a vitol role in deciding matters, thats how a community progresses. I am sure Allah does not decide all, for instance, when someone is in hospital, its the Doctor who decides all, not allah.

                  Who said we are Pro American? and whats wrong with infidels? and Athiest, can you show me the last time a Pro Western Athiest has blown up a school because girls were not wearing Taliban standard of dress code? I am sure you also live in a Infidel country, so the next time, a Infidel says people like you dont integrate and post a danger to the natives way of life, dont go crying about how people like you are discriminated against.


                  Do you concern yourself with how Bill Clinton feels about you and whether or not Mr. Clinton believes you are condemned to hell? Then why would you consider the feelings and views of one American infidel trolling this forum? You should frequent good Islamic forums and focus your time and energy in life towards other Muslims, your family and things that have true meaning NOT hollow words constructed by infidel propaganda artists who may or may not be on the payroll of Tel Aviv or Washington.
                  Pay role of Tel Aviv and Washington????

                  Yes if you are right, if you want to discuss Islamic issues, I am sure Islamicawakening and co would cater for your needs, otherwise, just accept not all Pashtuns think the same.

                  What infidel propaganda? you ever seen or heard of the Sunni and Shia conflict, the way Muslim countries treat their own Musulman in places like Dubai, Saudi and other gulf Arab states?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
                    Yes you are correct I think he should pass this question onto Mullah Omar.



                    The public plays a vitol role in deciding matters, thats how a community progresses. I am sure Allah does not decide all, for instance, when someone is in hospital, its the Doctor who decides all, not allah.

                    Who said we are Pro American? and whats wrong with infidels? and Athiest, can you show me the last time a Pro Western Athiest has blown up a school because girls were not wearing Taliban standard of dress code? I am sure you also live in a Infidel country, so the next time, a Infidel says people like you dont integrate and post a danger to the natives way of life, dont go crying about how people like you are discriminated against.




                    Pay role of Tel Aviv and Washington????

                    Yes if you are right, if you want to discuss Islamic issues, I am sure Islamicawakening and co would cater for your needs, otherwise, just accept not all Pashtuns think the same.

                    What infidel propaganda? you ever seen or heard of the Sunni and Shia conflict, the way Muslim countries treat their own Musulman in places like Dubai, Saudi and other gulf Arab states?
                    1. Name: Amanullah Mahsud
                    2. Nick Name: Faqir of Makeen
                    3. Qualification: Bsc in Management science
                    4. Date of Birth: Classified
                    5. Aim in life: To become president of Pashtun state
                    6. Hobby: Politics and poetry
                    7. You Hate: Pakistan
                    8. You Trust: Nobody but myself and my wife
                    9. You Fear: Mujras
                    10. Favourite Book: Art of War
                    11. Favourite Place: Khost
                    12. Favourite Relation: Nobody
                    13. Favourite Dress: Pashtun dress
                    14. Favourite Politician: None
                    15. Favourite Dish: Zimna Reezay
                    16. Favourite Colour:Black
                    17. Favourite Filmy Hero: None
                    18. Favourite Heroine: None
                    19. Favourite Singer (Male): None
                    20. Favourite Singer (Female):: None
                    21. Favourite time in 24 hours: 9.00
                    22. Favourite weather: Snowy,rainy weather
                    23. Favourite Subject: Politics
                    24. Define life in three words: Struggle,leadership,protection
                    25. Your three wishes:Pashtun state,Pashto as main language,litrature and education in Pashto
                    26. Your Ideal Moderator, Why? Mesba(Unbiased)
                    27. Your Ideal Member, Why? Afghan soldier because he is a true Afghan
                    28. Which thing attracts you in PFforum? Politics and Jinnah Supporters
                    29. Your Ideal Personality: Strong
                    30. What can you do for Pakthuns? Liberate them from the greedy hands of Pakistan and prevent our women being sold to others
                    31. How you express your success? Its good
                    32. Do you love someone? My wife
                    33. Are you talkative? Yes
                    34. You pray every time: I pray but i do admit iam lazy
                    35. Say something about yourself in a paragraph: I hate Pakistan and its dirty politics, I would love to create a Pashtun Hitman group that targets MQM assasins, I would love to Unite all Pashtuns on one platform, Defeat ISI, I love poetry especially when its written by me.

                    your name is Amanullah ? and you pray ?
                    how do you pray ? i mean do you read quran ? do you read the surah in english or arabic.lol?
                    i am sorry if im confusing you with this guy but your name's are the same.

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                    • #25
                      there are muslim's who will be in hell for what wrong's they have done and then after thier punshment they will be in janna .

                      touba is what will help you not be in hell. whatever you have done just do touba from your heart and allah will accept it.

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                      • #26
                        Soldat Amir, your post is purely opinion and personal worldview not worthy of response with exception of two incorrect points. First, that I am 15 year old kid as I am approximately double this number in age. When I was 15 I was without a home and certainly not living it up in some lofty Western nation. Don't ever mistake me for any of those types of people (children of wealthy immigrants, etc.) surrounding you in Great Britain. Second is that you are sure that I "live" in an infidel nation. Well, you are partially correct. I have "lived" (if you want to call it that) in a number of infidel nations in the past 6 years, although I do not have legitimate citizenship with any of them, only legal residency in two of them. I've never even been to the UK where most of the "diaspora" on this forum seem to be located. I have actual legitimate citizenship only with Afghanistan. However, you are correct in that I do not "integrate" or assimilate in these places. We (I and those with me) dress and appear entirely the same in these Western nations as we do in Panjwayi or however you want to transliterate it. If any of these "natives" feel that "people like me" pose a danger to their alleged "way of life", I certainly wouldn't cry about it. I would find it hilarious. But I currently am residing in what the natives call a "Muslim ghetto" so I rarely see people of such thinking, they tend not to come into this area.

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