modern world and sharia?

[emkhan]

First why only for 30 years in 1500 years? Why it was never and no where repeated. Second they had all these systems but as Arab politicians and leaders of that time. It does not mean that what those Arabs did at that time to rule the world become the religion of Islam. Otherwise having multiple wives, killing of Muslims and even caliphs , killing even the grandson of the prophet, ownership of slaves,the blood shed , the wars even between Hazrat Ayesha and Hazrat Ali etc all will become Islam or Sharia. All this was politics, power struggle, balance of power, real-politik ,economics and cultural domination of Arabs and had nothing to do with the religion of Islam.

The five pillars of Islam show just the religion and has nothing to do with politics, economy, culture or society.

The caliphs did not invented any religion lol. Religion came before them. They just implemented it and adopted it.
Why it was not implemented after that... hmmm good question. The reason is that al the leaders after them were corrupt like you who never wanted it to be implemented because it would stop their corruption.

[Karachi]

There is no concept of Sharia in Islam. Its only Arab innovation to manipulate the world to be arabized in the name of Sharia. can any one prove from any original source of Islam like Quran that any where the word or term Sharia is mentioned. Sharia has the implication that Islam is a system which guides you in all spheres of life like politics, economy, culture, society etc. But Islam is just a religion and spiritual system. Islam as religion was always in vogue but as a complete system never because it does not have any so called Sharia.
Religion is your beliefs, worship and morality and nothing beyond that.

The mere fact that Sharia was never promulgated and now no where is present is the biggest and crystal clear proof that this pseudo Sharia of Islam does not exist

what about the rules and regulation in Quran and hadiths???? i mean if there is no system, what system are we suppose to have??? a society cannot function without rules and regulations, islam clearly lays them out

[randolph85]

modern islamic regimes don't implement shariah correctly because they have excluded themselves from any sort of responsibility and punishment of the laws they claim to protect. saudi princes have parties that make raves in the US look like kindergarten. iranian ayotollahs give christians and jews more rights than sunnis.

i wouldn't call western democracy "modern" in comparison to islam, in fact it is backwards. it is the way people behaved in the days of ignorance. besides the timeline, there is nothing modern about it.

having a pure shariah state in this day and age is hard to comprehend but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that there will ever be a utopian islamic state. that is what heaven is for, here on earth we have to make due with imperfect human beings ruling over us. the best we can hope for is a progressive islamic state where the leaders are subject to the same laws as the rest of the population.

[ScimitarXEdge]

There is no concept of Sharia in Islam. Its only Arab innovation to manipulate the world to be arabized in the name of Sharia. can any one prove from any original source of Islam like Quran that any where the word or term Sharia is mentioned. Sharia has the implication that Islam is a system which guides you in all spheres of life like politics, economy, culture, society etc. But Islam is just a religion and spiritual system. Islam as religion was always in vogue but as a complete system never because it does not have any so called Sharia.
Religion is your beliefs, worship and morality and nothing beyond that.

The mere fact that Sharia was never promulgated and now no where is present is the biggest and crystal clear proof that this pseudo Sharia of Islam does not exist

Then how do you explain the practices of the Early Muslims where they applied Laws based on the teachings of Muhammad and the Qur'an?

[randolph85]

or the fact that our prophet cleansed his domain of power from unislamic practices once he was able to and applied islamic law as the defining source of law.

osho sounds like a christian right now. its the reason why christianity is nearly a dead religion besides cable access channels at 3 in the morning. they stopped following their bible and laws and instead viewed their religion as merely spiritual instead of practical.

[emkhan]

or the fact that our prophet cleansed his domain of power from unislamic practices once he was able to and applied islamic law as the defining source of law.

osho sounds like a christian right now. its the reason why christianity is nearly a dead religion besides cable access channels at 3 in the morning. they stopped following their bible and laws and instead viewed their religion as merely spiritual instead of practical.

Very good Randolph and Schimitar... You are good now

[ScimitarXEdge]

Very good Randolph and Schimitar... You are good now

we were always good; that's why we oppose both Taliban and Secularists

BOTH of you are wrong

[emkhan]

we were always good; that's why we oppose both Taliban and Secularists

BOTH of you are wrong

Brother, nobody is perfect. I don't say that everything they are doing is according to the teachings of Islam but when I compare them with the other Muslims then I see them are better. Never forget they are in the battle field at the same time, striving for shariah, keeping the peace, and doing much more things at the same time...
Can you show me any other such movement in the present age ?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Brother, nobody is perfect. I don't say that everything they are doing is according to the teachings of Islam but when I compare them with the other Muslims then I see them are better. Never forget they are in the battle field at the same time, striving for shariah, keeping the peace, and doing much more things at the same time...
Can you show me any other such movement in the present age ?

They dont do anything according to Islam in that case. They create violence, engage in crimes and murder MUslims more than NATO does.

Taliban are munafiqeen. Their rules are distortion of proper Shari'ah. it doesnt matter if there is no other movement like them, because no movement should ever be like them

Unless they follow Shar'iah EXACTLY the way Nabi(saw) did, then shoudn't say they are fighting for Islam.

[emkhan]

They dont do anything according to Islam in that case. They create violence, engage in crimes and murder MUslims more than NATO does.

Taliban are munafiqeen. Their rules are distortion of proper Shari'ah. it doesnt matter if there is no other movement like them, because no movement should ever be like them

Unless they follow Shar'iah EXACTLY the way Nabi(saw) did, then shoudn't say they are fighting for Islam.

So do you mean it should be a non violent movement just like the Christians saying "if someone slaps you on your cheek you show him another."

[ScimitarXEdge]

So do you mean it should be a non violent movement just like the Christians saying "if someone slaps you on your cheek you show him another."

No they should stop murdering Muslims, doing so makes them Apostates which need to be fought

[emkhan]

No they should stop murdering Muslims, doing so makes them Apostates which need to be fought

Right but which taliban are you talking about ? The taliban who fought against russians ? were they good ?
then the taliban who established a shariah system in afghanistan from 1994 to 2000.
then taliban of pakistan or the taliban in afghanistan at the present time which are a mixture of so many agencies and groups.... ?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Right but which taliban are you talking about ? The taliban who fought against russians ? were they good ?
then the taliban who established a shariah system in afghanistan from 1994 to 2000.
then taliban of pakistan or the taliban in afghanistan at the present time which are a mixture of so many agencies and groups.... ?

Those were the Mujahideen, some of them became like the Taliiban now and started murdering other MUslims,

some remained good, and stopped fighting because it would put Muslim lives at risk ...THAT is True Shari'ah.

with the Taliban of 1994-2000, they did not have a real Shari'ah System, they followeD Deobandism which came from Wahhabi influenced Indians.

[emkhan]

Schimitatar, what are your views about the tablighi jamaat which is spread all over the world, which is non violent ??? spreading the message with peace.

[ScimitarXEdge]

they teach deobandi ignorance. not as bad as the Taliban but very foolish. Anything associated with Deoband is foolish and incorrect Shari'ah.