Before Islam came to the Land of Pashtuns

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Salam alaikom,

I was making a tactless statement, infact I was trying to break down his statement in to logical chunks drawing his attention an obvious logical fallacy.

I have never stated that is a bad person, the fact that he openly says that he is curious shows that he wants to seek knowledge just like the rest of us.

This is a sign of his inner strength! May Allah guide him and show him the path towards Himself.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

So you believe in God, but you are indirectly implying that His Deen might not have benefited His creatures? That defies all precendents of absurdity!

God says He is the all-knowing.
God says we have perfected your religion.

You say you believe in God.
You say that you are kind of agnostic about the practicality of the perfect religion.

Doesn't add up!

Is it Haraam to be curious about the Past and History?

Why should my so called deen be questioned if i want to seek knowledge about Arab conquests?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Werent we Hindus before Islam?

Hinduism did exist in and around the land, yes!

[MazloomyarMaseed]

thats abubaker, btw


look at the history of Andalusia I am sure you will find your answer

What was the faith of the Spanairds before the Arabs from Africa or where came with their armies and took over a land that didnt belong to them?

You use Islam to justify Imperialism, this in itself contradicts the whole Islam means peace in your context.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

So you are saying, we being Muslims is bad, since now we are stuck in wars?

I had a hard time making out what he or she was conveying.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

So you believe in God, but you are indirectly implying that His Deen might not have benefited His creatures? That defies all precendents of absurdity!

God says He is the all-knowing.
God says we have perfected your religion.

You say you believe in God.
You say that you are kind of agnostic about the practicality of the perfect religion.

Doesn't add up!

Iam directly asking a very simple question, that did the introduction of Islam benefit Pashtuns before or after its bringing.

Are todays Pashtuns benefiting more with Islam or were they better off before it.

I have a example, Shiasm,sunnism, sufism etc, are these forms of Islam(in context) benefiting us at present or not. What have Pashtuns acheived with Islam, Can you provide me with Examples? Besides the whole Morality issue, Has Islam affected our way of life, if so, please give me detail.

I am not pushing myself to be placed under the terms of a Violent Fatwa, Iam just asking a very simple question.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

What was our first religion though ? I heard we were Pagans, thats why we do the Attan.

Attan is also known as a the war dance I heard.

We were Zostrains,Pagans,Buddists etc.

but

[MazloomyarMaseed]

What was our first religion though ? I heard we were Pagans, thats why we do the Attan.

Attan is also known as a the war dance I heard.

We were Zostrains,Pagans,Buddists etc.

but we were not Bani israelites.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

We were Zostrains,Pagans,Buddists etc.

but we were not Bani israelites.

How can you show we were "Zostrains,Pagans,Buddists etc.

but we were not Bani israelites?"

[akbarkhan]

Is it Haraam to be curious about the Past and History?

Why should my so called deen be questioned if i want to seek knowledge about Arab conquests?

You will find the answer to that in my reply to Momin.

If you want to know more about Pashtuns before Islam then I suggest you read Strabo. In there you will find that even Avesta is related to us and not the Persians. If you read the Avesta its full of references to our rivers, valley etc

[MazloomyarMaseed]

So you are saying, we being Muslims is bad, since now we are stuck in wars?

Has being Muslims beneffited us in the past and present?

A good example: I have a friend from Kabul, he told me, that in his village, the Mullah would call anybody educated a Communist(even if he/she was not a follower of communism)

That is my example.

Another example is, that sicilly is the worlds finest producer of Olives, Islamic conquest of Arabs brought the Olives over, that is some what benefit sicillians.

What has Islam brought us?

Has it brought us the likes of Taliban? or Alqueda, Or intolarance, backwardness?

Or has it brought us Morality, organisation, strcuture of family values, reduction in crime etc.

Very simple question.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

How can you show we were "Zostrains,Pagans,Buddists etc.

but we were not Bani israelites?"

Budda temples, Budda statues etc

Bani Isrealite=a book written by a Mughal servent in the 16th century.

If you follow Bani Israelite, then yourself is a divider of Pashtuns, As the theory states that Khattaks,Mahsuds,Wazirs,Bangash and other so called Karlan tribes are not Jewish.

so tell me, who is really a Pashtun since those tribes stated above, are very pashtun in features and culture and oral tradition.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

StrategistMaseed,

one question dear brother, then why do you lash out at Jinnah by saying that he eats pork and drinks alcohol?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Budda temples, Budda statues etc

Bani Isrealite=a book written by a Mughal servent in the 16th century.

If you follow Bani Israelite, then yourself is a divider of Pashtuns, As the theory states that Khattaks,Mahsuds,Wazirs,Bangash and other so called Karlan tribes are not Jewish.

so tell me, who is really a Pashtun since those tribes stated above, are very pashtun in features and culture and oral tradition.

You forgot the other religions, please mention how you can prove that they existed in Afghanistan?

[MazloomyarMaseed]

StrategistMaseed,

one question dear brother, then why do you lash out at Jinnah by saying that he eats pork and drinks alcohol?

Because Iam confronting Hipocrites who state that Pakistan is a gate of Islam and that Jinnah was a man who led Indian Muslims to a Purely Islamic state.

I say that he ate pork and drank, because he did those things while he preached a Islamic state.

Its call catching the hipocrite while at play.