Maulana sahib on hoors and Jannath

[Baygham]

Off the Psych Rx again Baygham? I see they took off the straight jacket my forlorn psychotic brother and let you access a computer again.

Here is the deal. I have traveled through your slave "wataan" and I have encountered Mullahs. In my humble opinion, you inflate their bed of knowledge. I can illustrate this with a clear example.

One of the locals discussed the nature of Satan in a Quettan village . I told him Satan was a jinn according to the Quranic text. Of course, because the pashtuns are generally influenced by bani israel folklore, the room of people disagreed and vehemently insisted that I was wrong and that Satan was in fact a fallen angel. They had no verse reference. I gave them the verse referece in baqrah that may associate him with angels, but also referred them to the verse subsequently in the Quran that expands on this and directly calls him a djinn or spirit.

So the folks insisted I talk to the Mullah and clarify. The local mullah had no idea what the heck he was talking about and merely said something to the effect of "Oh son, Satan wasnt a jinn or an angel or a human... he was something else." This of course was because he had no idea about the answer and wanted to satisfy all the possible onlookers in case he was wrong.

So dont pertend with us here that these Mullahs are at the level of Ibn Tamiyaah, Ghazali, Hanbali, Maliki etc.

Its like doing Christianity the disservice of calling Jerry Falwall a preeminent scholar versus the real scholars like james moffatt, edgar goodspeed, or Bart Ehrman.

It just makes you sound plainly ignorant, petulant, and utterly and profoundly lacking in intelligence.

No one here cares a lick of a wit about your views on the Quran, the Sunnah, or the Prophet's life you raving lunatic .

How about we put that to the test? Ill light a camp fire and Id like you to sit in the middle of it. Perhaps we can grab Ghani Khan's bones and use them as fuel. Lets see whether you prefer those flames licking your bare behind or whether you prefer being given a stick. Cooked Baygham sounds like a treat.

Rather sick and venomous, dont you think bro.

No need to dig Ghani khans bones, whats with unearthing bones. I remember the paranoia of arabs in case the christens dug out muhammads bones, story has it that Saladin - that famous kurd had a trench dug around muhammads grave and filled it with molten metal so as to avoid what you propose. Do you think we should do that to Ghani Khans grave as well, I wonder if the USAID will fund it?

Cooked Baygham sounds like a treat (cooked with Ghani khan bones)

Quite an imagination but do you have any quranic reference for Cannibalism bro or is that just Sunnah?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Rather sick and venomous, dont you think bro.

No need to dig Ghani khans bones, whats with unearthing bones. I remember the paranoia of arabs in case the christens dug out muhammads bones, story has it that Saladin - that famous kurd had a trench dug around muhammads grave and filled it with molten metal so as to avoid what you propose. Do you think we should do that to Ghani Khans grave as well, I wonder if the USAID will fund it?



Quite an imagination but do you have any quranic reference for Cannibalism bro or is that just Sunnah?

Not venomous at all. Your flippant mentality and disgraceful commentary towards all religions earns you more than you got. Regarding you and being cooked, I never said I'd be the one to eat the products of baygham + fire. We could sell it to kibble and bits dog feeding co. I'm simply asking you to put your money where your mouth is. Let's run the experiment: we can get you a wife and a ghilman and a stick... Or we can light a bonfire and roast you until you say "uncle". Trust me you'll beg for that stick that ghani pawn writes about.

[Manzareh]

I once heard a story about how the devil just put some honey or something on the wall and stood back, then as a result of just a simple action a big war broke out.. this is the same scenario, in this case Toramana is the devil, dont you understand he wants you to fight each other, do yourselves a favour instead of argueing and see an Imaan or a Alim or someone qualified on the subject of hoors, im sure they will answer all your questions.

[Baygham]

Not venomous at all. Your flippant mentality and disgraceful commentary towards all religions earns you more than you got. Regarding you and being cooked, I never said I'd be the one to eat the products of baygham + fire. We could sell it to kibble and bits dog feeding co. I'm simply asking you to put your money where your mouth is. Let's run the experiment: we can get you a wife and a ghilman and a stick... Or we can light a bonfire and roast you until you say "uncle". Trust me you'll beg for that stick that ghani pawn writes about.

Now its my turn, let me see in the far far future, the world has come to its end the faithful are all in heaven and we the others (Baygham, Toramana) are burning in hell. BA is frolicking in drunken stupor having just bathed in the river of wine, he is being dried up by a whole contingent of young boys, 72 virgin (not for long) maidens are waiting quietly, created solely for to provide BA with some much needed excitement. Misses BA, a faithful wife of decades, a mother of his children watches from the palace across the courtyard, God is kind he has provided her with a fair number of mumluks and ghilman as well. What orgies are being planned and by who, we in hell cannot even imagine- such privileges reserved for the faithful.

Ghani was right after all, all we can do is shout sour grapes or take comfort in seeing what happens next, after his orgy BA gets all pent up about what is happening in the palace, so he grabs a stick and runs after the countless Ghilman servicing the better half.

"pa oor aw pa azab ki ba oosam laka dha khan
tha amsa pa las sharrah dha khazee na GHILMAN"

[Alchemist]

There is no male version of a Hoor, hoors are exclusively for males.

No I am speaking about you as well; because the Qur'an explicitly states rewards and punishments, and hence if they weren't there, you wouldn't be motivated by them

if that's not why you do things, please chuck your Qur'an out the window then.

And you'll continue with your rejecting of Allah(swt) which totally defeats your claims of loving Allah(swt). The Qur'an is very clear on who goes to hellfire and who doesn't; it's not an issue of right; it's just stating the Truth as it is.

The "judging part" is already done; read your Qur'an for the details.

I'm trying to help you realize how you're contradicting the Qur'an

I never said that is the sole purpose; but that has to be APART of the purpose. If you neglect that, you're following a totally different religion

As I have pointed out from the Qur'an you're supposed to seek heaven. if you don't, you're not "seeking his Pleasure".

I'm not jumping to conclusions you clearly stated your viewpoints. Only completely deceitful fakes attempt to scapegoat their statements by implying others are fools.

You don't need to hear my arguments; you need to actually look at the verse of the Qur'an that I posted so that you have the correct information.

You're lying against God, the Qur'an itself explicitly states, SEEK THE HERE AFTER, your stubbornness in ignoring the verses of the Qur'an for your self-serving interpretation.

What this means you're seeking to please your ego, and not God.

anyways for your benefit once more.

But seek the wealth which Allah has bestowed on you, the Home of the Hereafter, nor forget your portion in this World. But do good, as Allah has been good to you(Qur’an 28:77)

If you reject it this time. God's verdict is you're doomed for hell, not mine.

you're blind to the Qur'an

you won't be seeking God's pleasure that way, just so you know.

Well it states the hoors and the men will be served by the ghilman, so one would conclude the sex is with the hoors.

anyways I don't believe in this stuff literally, we Mu'taziliyeen reject literal paradise anyways.

Didn't you say you were leaving the forum?

And you said I am theatrical.


There is a hadith of the prophet, peace be upon that describes three kinds of believers....Gulbabo might know of it - there are believers who are motivated to serve Allah only because they fear the fire of hell, there are believers who are motivated to serve Allah only to seek the rewards of paradise, but the best of them are those who only serve Allah for the sake of Allah and very rare are those.

In any case... I don't want to split hair with you. I am not agreeing with you nor disagreeing with you.

What I highlighted ...are things you say that apply more to you than anyone else here...things that make me think you'd be better off else where and not here.

[Alchemist]

Now its my turn, let me see in the far far future, the world has come to its end the faithful are all in heaven and we the others (Baygham, Toramana) are burning in hell. BA is frolicking in drunken stupor having just bathed in the river of wine, he is being dried up by a whole contingent of young boys, 72 virgin (not for long) maidens are waiting quietly, created solely for to provide BA with some much needed excitement. Misses BA, a faithful wife of decades, a mother of his children watches from the palace across the courtyard, God is kind he has provided her with a fair number of mumluks and ghilman as well. What orgies are being planned and by who, we in hell cannot even imagine- such privileges reserved for the faithful.

Ghani was right after all, all we can do is shout sour grapes or take comfort in seeing what happens next, after his orgy BA gets all pent up about what is happening in the palace, so he grabs a stick and runs after the countless Ghilman servicing the better half.

"pa oor aw pa azab ki ba oosam laka dha khan
tha amsa pa las sharrah dha khazee na GHILMAN"

Sex is the life giving force that propels and motivates many men to go do many daring and often ridiculous actions in their life. The function of it serves the needs of this world where sex is the antithesis to death. In a world where death doesn't exist, sex becomes just as insignificant. The need to produce life will be trivial. Then again...what would make heaven heaven if we are still biologically trapped?

I am not offended by anything you or toromana or even DJZ inquire about the hoors of Jaanat. What boggles my mind is your claims to morality...what makes you think you have the moral high ground here? What makes you think you know what is right and wrong and what is your source for this ambiguous debate on ethics? In truth...you drive your own morals from religion but you act like you have rationalized them of your own will...have you?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Now its my turn, let me see in the far far future, the world has come to its end the faithful are all in heaven and we the others (Baygham, Toramana) are burning in hell. BA is frolicking in drunken stupor having just bathed in the river of wine, he is being dried up by a whole contingent of young boys, 72 virgin (not for long) maidens are waiting quietly, created solely for to provide BA with some much needed excitement. Misses BA, a faithful wife of decades, a mother of his children watches from the palace across the courtyard, God is kind he has provided her with a fair number of mumluks and ghilman as well. What orgies are being planned and by who, we in hell cannot even imagine- such privileges reserved for the faithful.

Ghani was right after all, all we can do is shout sour grapes or take comfort in seeing what happens next, after his orgy BA gets all pent up about what is happening in the palace, so he grabs a stick and runs after the countless Ghilman servicing the better half.

"pa oor aw pa azab ki ba oosam laka dha khan
tha amsa pa las sharrah dha khazee na GHILMAN"

Who said Toramana will be there with you? He isnt as cavalier and disgusting/petulant as you, blaming God for his misfortunes. In fact, Toramana pm'd me early on indicating he is a believer and that he just likes to get a discussion going.

Lets get into more detail: Should I have the dignity, and great fortune to enter Heaven, here is what the ayaahs describe:

"(28) Those in sin used to laugh at those who believed, (29) And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other (in mockery); (30) And when they returned to their own people, they would return jesting; (31) And whenever they saw them, they would say "Behold! these are the people truly, astray!" (32) But they had not been sent as Keepers over them! (33) But on this Day the Believers will laugh at the Unbelievers. (34) On Thrones (of Dignity) They will command (a sight) (of all things). (35) Will not the Unbelievers have been paid back for what they did? (36)"
Surah Mutaffifeen

So you may be getting smacked down there, should you choose to do so... and then, theoretically, Ill be laughing at you...
So then, youll as me for a drink of water... Ill probably slake my thirst on some ice cold sweet tea... get my bladder full and ready... and Ill make sure the virgins, Ghilmans, etc all get their fill as well. Then, once we are all ready to micturate, we will get you use toasted baygham as a urinal cake secondary to the high degree of absorption that flame seared communist atheist sell out Pashtuns provide!

[faye]

what stupid ugly insults you people are throwing at each other. this is the kind of rubbish expected from 13 year olds.

[Baygham]

Who said Toramana will be there with you? He isnt as cavalier and disgusting/petulant as you, blaming God for his misfortunes. In fact, Toramana pm'd me early on indicating he is a believer and that he just likes to get a discussion going.

Lets get into more detail: Should I have the dignity, and great fortune to enter Heaven, here is what the ayaahs describe:

"(28) Those in sin used to laugh at those who believed, (29) And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other (in mockery); (30) And when they returned to their own people, they would return jesting; (31) And whenever they saw them, they would say "Behold! these are the people truly, astray!" (32) But they had not been sent as Keepers over them! (33) But on this Day the Believers will laugh at the Unbelievers. (34) On Thrones (of Dignity) They will command (a sight) (of all things). (35) Will not the Unbelievers have been paid back for what they did? (36)"
Surah Mutaffifeen

So you may be getting smacked down there, should you choose to do so... and then, theoretically, Ill be laughing at you...
So then, youll as me for a drink of water... Ill probably slake my thirst on some ice cold sweet tea... get my bladder full and ready... and Ill make sure the virgins, Ghilmans, etc all get their fill as well. Then, once we are all ready to micturate, we will get you use toasted baygham as a urinal cake secondary to the high degree of absorption that flame seared communist atheist sell out Pashtuns provide!

getting desperate bro, those gringos not treating you right.

BTW, Damn these imaginary pashtoon communists if not for them, Allah would not be so pissed off and unleash his wrath on pashtoons right now.

[Baygham]

what stupid ugly insults you people are throwing at each other. this is the kind of rubbish expected from 13 year olds.

I am 12 (mental age)

[BarakzaiAbdali]

getting desperate bro, those gringos not treating you right.

BTW, Damn these imaginary pashtoon communists if not for them, Allah would not be so pissed off and unleash his wrath on pashtoons right now.

I was merely adding to your visual fantasy. Were you not creating some odd porno scene in your head involving me, 72 virgins, some Ghilmans, you, and Ghani Khan? I simply wrote the rest of the scene for you... I figured I would be Lennon to your McCartney. I personally thought the whole portion of micturating on you while you completed your fantasy of burning in Hell with Ghani Khan, was very Dave Chappelle savvy. Oh well, I guess the comedy was lost on you (refer to Dave Chappelle's R Kelly skit).

So now, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? You said you were more fond of hell than the Islamic heaven and that you adored the flames. I want to see you post a youtube video where folks light a fire and you sit in it for a little while. Lets see how well a noble Khan, descended from the khans killed by Ahmad Khan the Barelvi fares... after all, are teh fires of hell not 700 times hotter than earthly flames?

[IamDZJ]

what a garbage subject to waste one's time over.