The United Nations Charter of Human Rights and Islam

[Muslimah]

Salaam.
I definitely agree that Islam offered human rights wayyyy before the Charter of Human rights. Women in Islam were given rights thousands of years before any other woman in the world.
I also know from studying Qu'ran, that Islam does not accept terrorism. There are ayas that discuss that if you killed one innocent person, it is as if you have killed the whole world. So, lets say you are going to be a suicide bomber, and run into a crowd of people. Who are you to decide that every person there is a kafir, and that they aren't innocent? Now the innocent person who is killed, inshAllah, will go to Jannah. But that person who killed will not.
There is a hadith about one of the prophets (pbuh) companions (Sorry I forget the name) who was in a battle. He was allowed to fight and kill in terms of jihad (ie country/family was being attacked) - he fought and had one man in his hands and was ready to kill him with his sword. The enemy in his hands then spit in his face, and the companion then didn't kill the enemy. Why? Because he wasn't killing for jihad, he would be killing out of anger, and therefore be judged as if he had killed all of mankind.

So...whatever the charter of human rights say, and whatever crazy monkey bombers say, the Quran does not allow violence, and I bet a lot of what is in the charter of human rights originated from the teachings of Islam. I know women being able to vote came from Islam, and then made its way into the Charter of Human rights.

I may be off topic a bit...I am quite opinionated. :P sorry

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The above "Preamble's" purpose in a nutshell is to convey the message that the values and purposes which the Declaration is designed to secure and the methods by which they might be secured.

The above "Preamble" to the charter of rights can be summarized with the following verses of the Holy Quran:

3:110. Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

3:104. Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain felicity.

The most important word which is mentioned in 3:110 is معروف.
In Islam, it is layed out that it is the duty of Islamic teachings to constantly promulgate Islamic values upon individual Muslims. Hence, the generic word for this is معروف .

Hence, the meaning of معروف would be: that which is good, equitable, desirable.

The above verses illustrate how Islam is very tolerant and recognizes that not everyone is a Muslim and follows Islam. Hence, Islam is explicit in its approach to protecting the rights of those who are not Muslim under an Islamic system.

Allah says:

3:113. Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
3:114. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.
3:115. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.


Here, in the above set of verses, Allah is recognizing the fact that those who follow different scriptures are also in favour of living in a peaceful society with a mutual understanding to do good and to forbid evil. It is the grandeur of the Holy Quran that it speaks on behalf of the other faiths without them having a role in dictating what is to their benefit and what it is not.


One can only imagine how merciful Allah is towards of all of His creation that He does not subject them to injustices at the hands of others.

In other words, Allah has ordered Muslims in the Holy Quran to protect the peace of society and the rights of others.

These verses show that Muslims have been made guardians to serve and protect their fellow human being. However, instead of following the Holy Quran's advices innocent Muslims have been hijacked by those who have political motivations. These politically motivated people have misinterpreted the Holy Quran in their favour and are guilty, in the first degree, to misleading innocent Muslims over what the Holy Quran's real teachings are.

Unfortunately, innocent Muslims have fallen prey to the ideological interpretations of the political savvy and in turn are guilty of promoting hatred and violence on a planet that does not belong to them.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Next, I will take the articles of the charter one by one and highlighting their existences in a book that appeared over 1430 years ago.

[ozymandias]

Salaam.

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Women in Islam were given rights thousands of years before any other woman in the world.
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whatever crazy monkey bombers say, the Quran does not allow violence,

Evidently you have not watched the news in the last several decades. Women in Islam routinely make the news for having their rights violated *today*, as well as the Koran being used to justify violence.

[ozymandias]

The above "Preamble's" purpose in a nutshell is to convey the message that the values and purposes which the Declaration is designed to secure and the methods by which they might be secured.

The above "Preamble" to the charter of rights can be summarized with the following verses of the Holy Quran:

3:110. Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

Funny -- no mention of non-Abrahamic religions, or non-theists. Already have a problem.

3:104. Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain felicity.

The most important word which is mentioned in 3:110 is معروف.
In Islam, it is layed out that it is the duty of Islamic teachings to constantly promulgate Islamic values upon individual Muslims. Hence, the generic word for this is معروف .

Hence, the meaning of معروف would be: that which is good, equitable, desirable.

The above verses illustrate how Islam is very tolerant and recognizes that not everyone is a Muslim and follows Islam. Hence, Islam is explicit in its approach to protecting the rights of those who are not Muslim under an Islamic system.

Actually, no -- it does not.

Allah says:

3:113. Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
3:114. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.
3:115. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.

Again, you are ignoring a huge chunk of the world, and only offering protections to those that are not only religious, but religious in a way similar to your way.

Here, in the above set of verses, Allah is recognizing the fact that those who follow different scriptures are also in favour of living in a peaceful society with a mutual understanding to do good and to forbid evil. It is the grandeur of the Holy Quran that it speaks on behalf of the other faiths without them having a role in dictating what is to their benefit and what it is not.

Still not the whole picture, though.

One can only imagine how merciful Allah is towards of all of His creation that He does not subject them to injustices at the hands of others.

Again, I can show examples of people suffering injustices in this world -- and in Islamic countries, too -- things like rape victims arrested for having illegal sex.

In other words, Allah has ordered Muslims in the Holy Quran to protect the peace of society and the rights of others.

Well... as long as they are religious -- and close to Islam. So far. You still have not mentioned all the verses used by the terrorists...

These verses show that Muslims have been made guardians to serve and protect their fellow human being. However, instead of following the Holy Quran's advices innocent Muslims have been hijacked by those who have political motivations. These politically motivated people have misinterpreted the Holy Quran in their favour and are guilty, in the first degree, to misleading innocent Muslims over what the Holy Quran's real teachings are.

Unfortunately, innocent Muslims have fallen prey to the ideological interpretations of the political savvy and in turn are guilty of promoting hatred and violence on a planet that does not belong to them.

[Muslimah]

Evidently you have not watched the news in the last several decades. Women in Islam routinely make the news for having their rights violated *today*, as well as the Koran being used to justify violence.

That has nothing to do with Islam. It has to do with sick people who have too much money and power. And anytime anything goes wrong in the Middle East, the media blames Islam right away.

Meanwhile, there are so many disgusting filthy priests here violating young kids and molesting and raping them. Because it is a Christian society, we don't blame Christianity as a whole. We focus on the problemed people. Unforunately for Islam, when one person does wrong, the media focuses on the religion as a whole and blames 1.8 billion people.

Think about it...
If a white guy and a muslim guy both commit murder..the headline is always "man kills" for one, and for us its "muslim man kills - possible terrorist suspect".

Arabs are also a target. My best friends brother died in Afghanistan (ironic I know, he was bringing food over). He was Lebanese-Christian. As soon as he passed away, the media automatically started writing in the paper that he was Muslim, and writing these disgusting things about his father being involved in terrorism. Meanwhile, the guy isn't even Muslim. I mean, I had to watch his parents mourn his death, while trying to have the police investigate the father and if he is involved in any terrorist involvement. How sick is that? And this is in Canada!

Muslims are targeted. And rich people with too much political power control what they want and say it is the way Islam goes.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

ozymandias,

you are just in love with your analytical skills or what? Unfortunately, you have no clue of the Holy Quran in order to understand how to analyze it.

Every single time you respond without thinking makes me question how much do you really know about Islam. I think i can judge with confidence and say not much, not much, just whatever Google will lead you to.

You could not prove ANYTHING when you were asked to, now you have the audacity to analyze what I have to say? I find it humourous.

You had your chance, you could not do anything. So, I suggest, wait until I am done.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Funny -- no mention of non-Abrahamic religions, or non-theists. Already have a problem.

There is no need to, it is referring to Muslims who are made guardian over the well being of others.

Actually, no -- it does not.

Tell me then, what does it say?

Again, you are ignoring a huge chunk of the world, and only offering protections to those that are not only religious, but religious in a way similar to your way.

The Holy Quran does not need to go into detail, this is the beauty of this book. Don't forget Christianity had already become pagan by that time.

Still not the whole picture, though.

How so? Do you always jump the gun?

Again, I can show examples of people suffering injustices in this world -- and in Islamic countries, too -- things like rape victims arrested for having illegal sex.

ahahahahahhaahah so are you saying that people don't break laws?

Well... as long as they are religious -- and close to Islam. So far. You still have not mentioned all the verses used by the terrorists...

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I find this amusing...you just care about one aspect--which has been misinterpreted.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

ozymandias,

i suggest you wait before you continue to jump the gun. Or why don't you do this. I will offer it again to you.

Present your case that Islam encourages terrorism. Please.

You seem to have already rejected whatever it is that I will be presenting.

Here, take over.

Please go into detail.

Thank you in advance.

[ozymandias]

That has nothing to do with Islam. It has to do with sick people who have too much money and power. And anytime anything goes wrong in the Middle East, the media blames Islam right away.

If it's an Islamic country that takes pride that their laws are founded on the teachings, then it is appropriate to say that it has a lot to do with Islam.

Meanwhile, there are so many disgusting filthy priests here violating young kids and molesting and raping them. Because it is a Christian society, we don't blame Christianity as a whole.

No, Christianity is not blamed as a whole because the lay Christians are disgusted and speaking out against these evil acts, not ignoring them, or even supporting them.

Furthermore, Christianity is not blamed because not once has a pedophile priest stated that not only does Christianity justify them to abuse the children, but actually calls them to do it.

Do you see the difference? The pedophile priests are pedophiles *DESPITE* their religion. The bigots repressing women, repressing the rights of non-Muslims, and terrorizing non-believers are doing it *BECAUSE* of their religion.

Huge freaking difference -- so huge, in fact, that even the most cursory examination of the issues makes it very clear that there is absolutely no grounds for comparison.

We focus on the problemed people. Unforunately for Islam, when one person does wrong, the media focuses on the religion as a whole and blames 1.8 billion people.

Again, it is because they justify doing wrong with their religion. And again, we are not talking 'one person' we are talking multiple countries and many many people.

Think about it...
If a white guy and a muslim guy both commit murder..the headline is always "man kills" for one, and for us its "muslim man kills - possible terrorist suspect".

Bull.

Arabs are also a target. My best friends brother died in Afghanistan (ironic I know, he was bringing food over). He was Lebanese-Christian. As soon as he passed away, the media automatically started writing in the paper that he was Muslim, and writing these disgusting things about his father being involved in terrorism. Meanwhile, the guy isn't even Muslim. I mean, I had to watch his parents mourn his death, while trying to have the police investigate the father and if he is involved in any terrorist involvement. How sick is that? And this is in Canada!

Muslims are targeted. And rich people with too much political power control what they want and say it is the way Islam goes.

At least you are now opening your eyes and admitting that Islam is being used.

[ozymandias]

ozymandias,

you are just in love with your analytical skills or what? Unfortunately, you have no clue of the Holy Quran in order to understand how to analyze it.

Every single time you respond without thinking makes me question how much do you really know about Islam. I think i can judge with confidence and say not much, not much, just whatever Google will lead you to.

You could not prove ANYTHING when you were asked to, now you have the audacity to analyze what I have to say? I find it humourous.

You had your chance, you could not do anything. So, I suggest, wait until I am done.

I'm sorry, but I took your first post and poked huge holes in your arguments. If you wish for me to wait until you are done before I start poking holes in your claims, wait until you are done to post them.

Also, please refrain from the fallacy of personal attacks when you cannot refute what I stated. I pointed out that your arguments have many serious holes in them, and the best you can do is personal attacks?

[ozymandias]

There is no need to, it is referring to Muslims who are made guardian over the well being of others.



Tell me then, what does it say?

It speaks of the 'people of the book'.

The Holy Quran does not need to go into detail, this is the beauty of this book.

I disagree. It is this very vagueness that allows it to be twisted and manipulated. This very lack of spelling out protections for everyone can easily be portrayed as meaning they are not protected.

Don't forget Christianity had already become pagan by that time.

By the time Islam was founded Christianity had cast off it's pagan roots by a few centuries -- if not a full thousand years. At that point in time, since Islam is founded based on what went before, Islam would still be just as pagan.

How so? Do you always jump the gun?

I am replying to your post. If you had more to say, you should not have 'jumped the gun' and posted before you were ready. It is not 'jumping the gun' to reply to your post.

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ahahahahahhaahah so are you saying that people don't break laws?

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Not at all. I am saying that the *LAWS* themselves are violating the UN Charter. The fact that an Islamic legal system would even allow for the idea of 'illegal sex', and worse -- charge a rape victim for it is not a case of someone 'breaking the law', it is a case of a country founding unjust laws.

I find this amusing...you just care about one aspect--which has been misinterpreted.

I find it amusing that you think I only care about one aspect -- I am forced into discussing only one aspect because you are so narrow minded and close focused to even admit that that aspect even exists.

[ozymandias]

ozymandias,

i suggest you wait before you continue to jump the gun. Or why don't you do this. I will offer it again to you.

There you go accusing me of jumping the gun, when all I did was reply to one of your posts.

Present your case that Islam encourages terrorism. Please.

If you want to read it again, scroll up and read it again.

You seem to have already rejected whatever it is that I will be presenting.

No sir. I have already accepted most of what you have presented. I fully admit that there are good people in the Islamic faith. It is you that continually rejects the facts that evil can and has been done in the name of Islam.

Here, take over.

Please go into detail.

Thank you in advance.

It's not really 'in advance' when it comes after 5 pages in this thread and almost 100 in the other thread, now is it?

[ozymandias]

We Muslims have influenced the United Nations and its law. Ozymandias, You should not take our good will for being used. We Muslims MashAllah are very powerful especially with nearly 2billion of us.

And that is exactly why the rights of others needs to be defended.

Islam is the oldest religion on earth, even Adam and eve were Muslims.

You are allowed to believe that. You are even allowed to believe in Adam and Eve. Too bad the evidence does not support either of those claims.

[ozymandias]

Please dont ignore my post. I also want to participate and discuss this with you Ozymandias.

Never fear!

I try and address every post addressed to me in the order they are posted.