Evolution contradicts Islam

[طالب]

You've really hurt my feelings Alchemist.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Logically False by Reducto Ad-Absurdum and False Dichotomy

Reducto Ad-Absurdum is a way of testing the logical viability of a claim by taking it to conditions in which the claims premise lacks rigorous validity by extrapolating its inductive consequence.

False Dichotomy is an argument which assumes a premise which lacks any valid reason as to why it must be valid, and that the consequence of the premise would result in a certain outcome.

The claim here can be summarized

"Allah creates what he wills, therefore Allah does not depend/use/need processes to create things, therefore evolution is false because it depends on processes. Processes are a discrete sequence of operations and parts which compose and govern the faculties of entities and the existence of entities. The main theme of this claim is that if evolution happened that it violates the sovereignty of God, and therefore cannot be true if God exists.

The false dichotomy here is Allah(swt) creates anything by "Will" and therefore does not use processes to accomplish the existence/creation of things.

By using Reductio Ad-Absurdum, the argument is clearly false;

Observe, it has been proven by experiments Atoms/elements formed from Nucleosynthesis (subatomic particles coalescing together to form atoms) and from nucleosynthesis, , molecules had formed and then large clumps of matter formed and thus formed stellar bodies, stars and planets. Which means processes operated into causing them to exist. If this were not true these things could not be identified discretely. Thereby Nothing could have sequence, time could not exist, , physical distinctions between objects would not exist, and thus humans would not exist.

Therefore evolution cannot violate God's sovereignty and therefore cannot be against Islam.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Evolution theory is only a theory... It has not been proved yet. so it is not a fact.
so the thread closed LOL

that's not exactly how theories work

Theories can be factual; but what makes a theory a "Law" is the rigorousness of the evidence. for something like Evolution to be a Natural Law, it would require reproducibility experimentally. But there are plenty of experiments which shows that evolution has happened.

[graveyardofempires]

I am a doctor and i know evolution is fraud, i am not the first one who discovered this but it was the great scientist Mendel who called false and proved it scientifically. I am Oncologist believe me. secondly this theory was made to promote racism but it does not carry any scientific meaning.

[graveyardofempires]

YouTube - How Fossils Overturned Evolution: HarunYahya.com Pt 1/2

[ScimitarXEdge]

I am a doctor and i know evolution is fraud, i am not the first one who discovered this but it was the great scientist Mendel who called false and proved it scientifically. I am Oncologist believe me. secondly this theory was made to promote racism but it does not carry any scientific meaning.

how does it promote racism when it shows we all originated from Africa/ (O_o)

[graveyardofempires]

how does it promote racism when it shows we all originated from Africa/ (O_o)

that is racism in itself

since you are to enslave or destroy the less evolved(the africans and brown people)and the white man is th emost evolved.

so who is closer to the monkey?

[Alchemist]

Ah here comes he comes. Finally.

Logically False by Reducto Ad-Absurdum and False Dichotomy

Reducto Ad-Absurdum is a way of testing the logical viability of a claim by taking it to conditions in which the claims premise lacks rigorous validity by taking it to it's inductive consequence.

False Dichotomy is an argument which assumes a premise which lacks any valid reason as to why it must be valid, and that the consequence of the premise would result in a certain outcome.

I know the definition bro. You don't have to teach me that

The claim here can be summarized

"Allah creates what he wills, therefore Allah does not depend/use/need processes to create things, therefore evolution is false because it depends on processes. Processes are a discrete sequence of operations and parts which compose and govern the faculties of entities and the existence of entities. The main theme of this claim is that if evolution happened that it violates the sovereignty of God, and therefore cannot be true if God exists.

False!

I never said this. But you assume this to be true. Allah in the Qur'an asks man to reflect on "the process". Rather all of biology is based on the process. To deny the process is to deny biology. Am I being this absurd? Biology is based on stages. The stages of the development of organisms, from zygote, to fetus, to infant, to child, to adolescence, to man.

What you are confusing is the distinct processes of one form of development with another form.

That is you are confusing the life cycle of individual species, which are distinct, and attributing it to something totally unrelated, i.e, speciation. You are making this assumptive jump by believing that Allah has to create one life form from another, where as Allah says, He creates what He wills, meaning his creations come to be fully formed without "flaws" or "in between" stages. The life cycle of one organism is distinct. To say that evolution is true, means that life cycles of multiple organisms are linked, and thus each organism branches off one another. There is no proof for this belief. Allah says in the Quran that he creates what He wills, some crawling on their bellies, some on 4 legs and some on 2, some fly and some swim, and not that he created first an organism that swims, then out of that he created one that walks, and then another that flies. This is your imagination at play.

The false dichotomy here is Allah(swt) creates anything by "Will" and therefore does not use processes to accomplish the existence/creation of things.

You are committing the fallacy of equivocation by using the word "processes" broadly. There is one process called reproduction. And this is valid. However, another process that has no merit in Islam is what you refer to "Speciation". This process is false. Reproduction is attested to in the Qur'an mutliple times. However speciation never! This is part of your own doctrine and it is outside of Islam.

By using Reductio Ad-Absurdum, the argument is clearly false;


Observe, it has been proven by experiments Atoms/elements formed from Nucleosynthesis (subatomic particles coalescing together to form atoms) and from nucleosynthesis, , molecules had formed and then large clumps of matter formed and thus formed stellar bodies, stars and planets. Which means processes operated into causing them to exist. If this were not true these things could not be identified discretely. Thereby Nothing could have sequence, time could not exist, , physical distinctions between objects would not exist, and thus humans would not exist.

Ah such a materialist!
Again, this is part of your own narration of what happened.
Still it is a false analogy. The formation of the heavens and the earth is also described in the Qur'an. And I am not saying that "Time" is the factor here, since even Allah says that it's formation took some "Days". It is authentically reported on the authority of Abu Hurairah (ra) that the Prophet said: "Allah , Most Blessed, Most High, says: "The son of Adam wrongs Me: He curses time, though I am time: In My Hands are all things and I cause the night to follow the day." In another narration, He says: "Do not curse time, for verily, time is Allah ."
Still you are confusing the narrative of "evolution" which means to describe the creation of Man, by tangentially bringing in the formation of the universe. (There are even gaps in that story, for there are many things that are still unaccounted form when we even talk about the big bang). Again, it is a shame that you hold the narrative of science in higher regard than the narrative that is divine.

Therefore evolution cannot violate God's sovereignty and therefore cannot be against Islam.

"bananas are a class of fruits, therefore fish should not be eaten with milk"

Rrrriiight...

nice try scimitar.

[faye]

ibrahim bin adham: 'a free man is one who abandons the world before he leaves the world'

[طالب]

Harun Yahya is a drug user, criminal and a pervert and so is his BAV organisation.

How anyone in good faith can post youtube videos of him is beyond me.

[graveyardofempires]

Harun Yahya is a drug user, criminal and a pervert and so is his BAV organisation.

How anyone in good faith can post youtube videos of him is beyond me.

Even if true(which i think was an attempt by his rivals who got very scared seeing their theory crumbeling )what has that got to do with content on the video?

how about you stop spinning and get with the discussion.

[طالب]

I'm just letting people know what kind of guy he is. Maybe people would like to know that BAV used its female members to attract rich people to the organisation in exchange for sexual favours. The sex was videotaped and afterwards used to blackmail them.

What an honourable and Islamic man, eh?

[Baygham]

Logically False by Reducto Ad-Absurdum and False Dichotomy

Reducto Ad-Absurdum is a way of testing the logical viability of a claim by taking it to conditions in which the claims premise lacks rigorous validity by extrapolating its inductive consequence.

False Dichotomy is an argument which assumes a premise which lacks any valid reason as to why it must be valid, and that the consequence of the premise would result in a certain outcome.

The claim here can be summarized

"Allah creates what he wills, therefore Allah does not depend/use/need processes to create things, therefore evolution is false because it depends on processes. Processes are a discrete sequence of operations and parts which compose and govern the faculties of entities and the existence of entities. The main theme of this claim is that if evolution happened that it violates the sovereignty of God, and therefore cannot be true if God exists.

The false dichotomy here is Allah(swt) creates anything by "Will" and therefore does not use processes to accomplish the existence/creation of things.

By using Reductio Ad-Absurdum, the argument is clearly false;

Observe, it has been proven by experiments Atoms/elements formed from Nucleosynthesis (subatomic particles coalescing together to form atoms) and from nucleosynthesis, , molecules had formed and then large clumps of matter formed and thus formed stellar bodies, stars and planets. Which means processes operated into causing them to exist. If this were not true these things could not be identified discretely. Thereby Nothing could have sequence, time could not exist, , physical distinctions between objects would not exist, and thus humans would not exist.

Therefore evolution cannot violate God's sovereignty and therefore cannot be against Islam.

Thats easy to get out off, Alchemist is simply going to say that Allah does not have any law to follow including the premise of 'Reducto Ad-Absurdum' and 'False Dichotomy'.
He could bend light this way or that, coalesce atoms from this or that soup, pretty much do as his whim desires or if he lacks desire and whims than what ever mechanism he has is worse than a random number generator for it can be as random in its expression as it chooses to be.

All the data that you see, hear, feel and are constantly confronted with day and day out is just the product of hallucinogens that are circulating in western academic circles. In the caves of Tora Bora, where the air is pure such flights of fancy are not witnessed.

[faye]

i doubt that the air is pure in tora bora now, baygham. i assume it was bombed with depleted uranium.

[graveyardofempires]

I'm just letting people know what kind of guy he is. Maybe people would like to know that BAV used its female members to attract rich people to the organisation in exchange for sexual favours. The sex was videotaped and afterwards used to blackmail them.

What an honourable and Islamic man, eh?

i dont get your point.

i just said lets assume your allegations are true but still we should be talking about the content of the video and not his personal character.

or are you spinning again mr DJ