Salafis, Wahabis, Arabs contribution to civilization and humanity

[BarakzaiAbdali]

ok, if you muslims think it is acceptable to blast other muslims to smithereens, who am i to object? good luck to you.

As I requested, define your limits. Moreover, what would your advice be to a less well armed force, fighting a superbly armed military? Shall I turn your attention to the failing revolution in Libya?

You are playing games with people's right to resist occupation and you are ignoring time honored human responses to invasions.

If I were to invade Australia with a force armed to the teeth, and I were to leave the Australians with little but a few AK 47s, some old rocket launchers, etc. what would your advice be to the Aussie guerillas that would take up the banner to resist occupation?

And please do not feed me the time honored but continously inept response of "get educated... take advantage of the $$$ NATO is bringing.. bide your time... and then kick them out once you are strong enough in a 100 years." Every nation of human beings resists occupation.

I want to her the Faye strategy that the insurgents should mount to counter a supremely armed NATO military complex. I am talking about your advice regarding armed conflict to a group of people with little but strategy, the will to fight, and some AK47s left over from the Russian war.

At the end of the day, you will have little to offer them that they have not realized themselves, which is that assymetric warfare demands measures that reestablish the balance and bog the enemy down in a war of attrition.

[faye]

is that a genius's retort, alchemist? i don't know what lalala is......

[faye]

surely, that would be ok if it were just against the invaders. i have no objection to people defending themselves against invaders, b.a.

[salahuddin]

Barakzai

I didnt know you are a fan of Abdullah Azzam, was he not the coward Palestinian who decided to start killing Afghan Soldiers instead of Israeli ones, who decided to side with ISI and CIA, by the way,the same CIA who funds Israeli Mossad?

Was he not the person who said, it is the duty of every Muslim to invade or attack atleast one non Muslim country a year?

I wonder where you got your PHD from, was it from the Al azhar University or maybe darol Haqqania in Pakistan?

I do not think any sane minded person would support Abdullah Azzam, he met his fate the way he met others, by being assassinated.

He was a Mule of the Americans and ISI and his Arab dreams of global domination was a epic failure.

Faye, this is the reality of Islam. There hardly any talk of intellectual debate, its just a bunch of emotional rantings, they always turn to violence, but they never learn from their actions, and they will continue to slaughter eachother over texts written some 1300 years ago.

So let be, as long as they do it in their own Islamic lands.

Sorry to be frank.

Secondly, Suicide bombing, the technique has been adopted by the Arab brand of Islam, those suicide bombers who kill innocent people do it for Allah and Islam, Muslims have justified it, plus I have heard myself, Muslim radicals say its ok because civilians will go to paradise anyway, they become "Shaheed".

Barakzai, and like other like-minded individuals, do not live under such conditions, they are confused people who use big words and copy and paste articles from the internet, once they themselves experience what it feels like loosing a relative in a suicide terrorist bombing attack, then we will see their expressions on their faces.

Plus Alchemist, considers those who attack Pakistani Soldiers as Kaffirs and CIA agents. Goes to show the character of these people.

As I said many times, Uncle Sam will deal with them when the Opportunity comes, just as they did to Mullah Omar! now ask yourself, why is Mullah Omar hiding?

[salahuddin]

I think America and Nato, should adopt the exact same rules of engagement as Taliban and these so called foot soldeirs of the Faithful do. We wont even hear the name Taliban the next day.

Arab scared Texts are so dangerous to mankind, that it had led a Talib to shoot random people in bank, shot elder people, women and children, plus these arab texts led a boy or man to blow himself up in a Shia procession.

Wake up! there must be something wrong, dont be blind or deaf, do something before the whole world turns on you

[KhyberKhan]

[ScimitarXEdge]

We see Mentally colonized slaves, who worship secular imperialists chant for Uncle Sam, and they wonder why they're being called CIA agents; but they themselves admit how America/CIA manufactured turmoil;and then cheer Uncle Sam as colonized servants do. Don't they realize how they contradict themselves? Or are they really showing that their goal is to create corruption and turmoil, and mask their agenda by by accusing Islam of THEIR crimes. We see everyday how properly trained scholars reject these tactics as forbidden, yet the mentally colonized still parrot the same lie over and over again.

In the world of the mentally colonized; distorting truth and creating fabricated portrayals of history in favor of Imperialists; suffices as reality. It pleases their masters and keeps them safe from masters whip.

[faye]

salahuddin, i don't need an interpreter.

[Pakhtunzai]

Lol we must get this "suicide bombing" thing cleared up. I was there in Pakistan around the time of Red masjid bombing(2007) in Islamabad. My cousin and his police force were deployed there. He was quite a distance away from the masjid at the time but his friends were right next to it and all of a sudden a bomb blew up. All the talk there was a simple bomb set up close by. Nobody was strapped or ran in to blow themselves up.

When I came back to the UK, the words "suicide bombing" were plastered all over the media. Clearly to give muslims a bad name. Anyone who blows themselves up are going against Allahs and the prophet Sallalahu alayhi wasalaam instantly. They don't even classify as a muslim even if they have a beard or wearing the islamic clothing.

[fzpz]

Serious question for torabora, what has been the marxist pashtun nationalist contribution to humanity? All pashtuns worth something have been what you'd call pan-islamists. Plus, it's pashtuns blowing themselves up in those videos. Now a smart person could tell that given the geo-political environment in that region one should not be surprised when such bombings happen. None of this was going on before, and neither will it go on after the catalyst is gone (the invasion of their homelands).

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Barakzai

I didnt know you are a fan of Abdullah Azzam, was he not the coward Palestinian who decided to start killing Afghan Soldiers instead of Israeli ones, who decided to side with ISI and CIA, by the way,the same CIA who funds Israeli Mossad?

Was he not the person who said, it is the duty of every Muslim to invade or attack atleast one non Muslim country a year?

I wonder where you got your PHD from, was it from the Al azhar University or maybe darol Haqqania in Pakistan?

I do not think any sane minded person would support Abdullah Azzam, he met his fate the way he met others, by being assassinated.

He was a Mule of the Americans and ISI and his Arab dreams of global domination was a epic failure.

Faye, this is the reality of Islam. There hardly any talk of intellectual debate, its just a bunch of emotional rantings, they always turn to violence, but they never learn from their actions, and they will continue to slaughter eachother over texts written some 1300 years ago.

So let be, as long as they do it in their own Islamic lands.

Sorry to be frank.

Secondly, Suicide bombing, the technique has been adopted by the Arab brand of Islam, those suicide bombers who kill innocent people do it for Allah and Islam, Muslims have justified it, plus I have heard myself, Muslim radicals say its ok because civilians will go to paradise anyway, they become "Shaheed".

Barakzai, and like other like-minded individuals, do not live under such conditions, they are confused people who use big words and copy and paste articles from the internet, once they themselves experience what it feels like loosing a relative in a suicide terrorist bombing attack, then we will see their expressions on their faces.

Plus Alchemist, considers those who attack Pakistani Soldiers as Kaffirs and CIA agents. Goes to show the character of these people.

As I said many times, Uncle Sam will deal with them when the Opportunity comes, just as they did to Mullah Omar! now ask yourself, why is Mullah Omar hiding?

Im not a pure PhD (editing here as MD PhDs are usually not considered "true" PhDs by people like Toramana, etc). Second, I never ascribed to Abdullah Azzam. Third, Abdullah Azzam did not condone or comment on this particular strategy.

You see, to me, the reason you are such an ass clown is that you live in the world of make believe. You spout -isms and ideologies that turn the victim into the aggressor. Somehow in your world, an occupation force is a freedom endowing force. Yet that same force, as admitted by your ring leader Toramana (and trust me I can find you his exact words should you so desire) is occupying other states as a super power. You see the world as you want it to be seen and not as it actually is.

Let me explain: The Arab Afghans were more prominent in the Soviet conflict than in the Taliban movement. In fact, if you recall, a young Osama Bin Ladin appeared to enter warfare at that point in his life. Yet, the evidence shows that suicide bombing was not a motif in that war.

However, when does the tactic begin to crop up in Palestine, in Algeria, and now in Afghanistan? Well, when you have a situation where the insurgency movement no longer has an even reasonable amount of arms to counter the accuracy of the US M16, flying drone, tank etc.

It goes against all common sense that if a person has the arms and means to deal with his enemy directly that he will simply want to run into complex and detonate himself. If the Arab did not do this when he fought under Omar Mukhtar in Libya, or under Khattab in Chechnyaa, what validates your view that this some purely Arab invention? As I noted it was utilized by Che Guevara's forces in overturning the Batista regime... and in multiple other non Muslim fronts when the war was heavily assymetric. It petered out once the Soviets armed Castro.

So now, as I said, it is not the insurgency that has to justify to you and your idiotic, common sense lacking, ivory tower leaning ilk why they are utilizing all necessary means to neutralize the asymmetry. You have yet to offer them a route or a means with which to balance the warfare.

Its like asking Ghaddafi to stop fighting for the control of Libya... its just plain stupid and nonsensical. Here is a quote from Scheuer:

"Established, internationally recognized governments — dictatorial, monarchical, or democratic — almost always resist treasonous rebellions with military force."

By that same token, you look idiotic when you are sitting here telling an insurgency the following in a dialogue:

You: Dear insurgent... you are a mullah and your brand of Islam is backwards and bad... adopt the secular brand so that you basically disobey half of the Quran when it comes to legislation of affairs... but then somehow intellectually reconcile calling yourself a Muslim.

Insurgent: OK, I disagree so I am going to fight whatever you attempt to impose on me as human beings have done for millenia. Besides, I was generally confined to the mosque and minding my own tasibiyaa and smacking some kids now and then when they messed up a Quranic takaay... but otherwise, I was pretty much neutralized before a ground force made up of white guys with guns who wear crosses around their necks arrived here and shot my cousin. Well, then the village gave me some support.

You: Well you are a murderer because you use IEDs and are willing to detonate yourself to get the job done. That is evil and wrong. The Quran says that killing innocent people is as if you killed the whole of humanity.

Insurgent: Well, my stated aim is not to hit the civilian, but your idiocy would render all warfare moot. Basically, any manner of fighting back, which, with modern weaponry, no matter how refined, results in deaths of a single civilian would be banned under your charter. That makes no sense. Show me a single war where no civilians died and boy do I have a car to sell you. For that matter do the bunker buster bombs and drones have a perfect record?

You: (frothing at the mouth)... haraam.. haraam.... Islam... Islam says... wait, what you just said makes some sense... information overload.

Insurgent: Well get me some high resolution weaponry... give me some tanks and even the playing field. Then, Ill stop using IEDs and other methodologies.

You: But that would defeat the purpose, which is basically that I want to impose my will on you and I want you to lose.

Insurgent: Exactly, now can you step to the left side of the road a little... a little more.. a little more.... theres a sensor plate here somewhere.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Bottom line, you are not making a dent at all in the populace's support nor will you ever likely deter the strategy from being executed. The hilarious thing is that each time you attempt to paint the black turban wearing insurgents as savages after such an attack, the populace points the finger straight back at where it logically belongs... NATO presence. I've posted the Washington Post articles that demonstrate this all over the website here regarding civilians immediatly associating civilian casualties with heightened NATO presence. I wont waste my time locating them for you... thats your homework tonight.

Learn to utilize some logic for once and understand warfare and how it works. No fighting force will cede its only successfull hit and run strategy. You sound dumb as a rock when you attempt to tell a poorly armed insurgency to shed its most potent weaponry.

[Khidr]

Barakzai

Abdullah Azzam, was he not the coward Palestinian who decided to start killing Afghan Soldiers instead of Israeli ones, who decided to side with ISI and CIA, by the way,the same CIA who funds Israeli Mossad?

If you know anything about Shaikh Abdullah Azzam (ra), you would know that he advocated the focus of the Jihad after the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, be moved to the Middle East, in particular to Palestine but also against Mubarak in Egypt.

Wheas Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri wanted to stay in Afghanistan and use it as a launch pad against U.S. There is more reason to believe he was killed by Osama Bin Laden than Mossad or others.

He was not your chest thumping 'all form yet no substance' Takhfiri Wahabi chauvinist.

[ScimitarXEdge]

People who call Abdullah Azzam a coward for killing Afghan soldiers are liars and cowards themselves; these deceitful traitors call Commie Slaves of Russians as "Afghan soldiers " only shows how pathetically corrupt and beghairat they are to deceive and pervert information with their lies to fool and brainwash others.

There were no Afghan soldiers; they were Commie and slaves of Soviet Kafirs; who were going in Afghanistan, destroying villages, running massacres, and letting soviet soldiers strip Afghan women in naked and urinating on them to humiliate them. One Afghan woman had her pregnant stomach kicked by a Soviet soldier; who was accompanied by beghairat low life Commie Slaves that stood back and watched.

And these Mentally colonized people were cheering joyfully when this happened; and come back now posing as Pro-Pakhtuns and Nationalists thinking Pakhtuns would forget what they were doing in the 80's

Abdullah Azzam was a good man, and honorable and brave, he killed many communist murtad traitors and punished them hard for their beghairati; he helped many Afghans and protected them as an honorable Muslim brother and saved them from being violated and defiled by commie traitors slaves and Russian sickos,. Of course he had many flaws, I wouldn't consider him an ideal; he supported Massoud, but I think he did so out of ignorance.

If he only could have gone to Khyber-Pakhtunkhwah and find all those Commie and Beghairat Imperialist Sympathizers and had them ripped apart by horses; then we wouldn't have to deal with their disgraceful fabrications and lies and Brainwashing attempts on Internet forums today. How they were cheering Gorbachev and KGB in the 80's and now cheer for Uncle Sam and CIA.

That's why these traitors make up so many lies; He was not just about using Afghanistan, he saw Afghanistan as a place to inspire Muslims everywhere to revolt; his goal was to galvanize against Zionism and overthrow the slave Governments in Muslim countries. He was also against Takfir since he did not want Muslims to be divided against each other. He did not even Takfir Najibullah, which he should have in my opinion; he only killed the Commie Traitors helping Soviets. What a dignified Muslim warrior; no wonder these Hiding Mentally colonized traitors are trying to bad mouth him now; he was one of the most powerful forces against their Double Talk, deceitful agenda of making everyone colonized slaves like they are.

[salahuddin]

Mr Edge

Abdullah Azzam was a Paki-ISI-CIA rat.

He was a coward who didnt fire a single bullet at a israeli soldier. He instead hid for dollars in Afghanistan.

He knew he could easily exploit these poor and uneducated people with his Jihadi Arab Bullcrap.

Mr Edge, you truely do make a complete fool of yourself, sorry for my french!

Do you accept us "Full blood Pashtuns" to accept a Loony from the Middle east who declared its the duty of every Muslim to attack atleast one Non-Muslim country per year? I mean, to invade/imperialise/Arabise a country per annum according to Abbdullah Azzams version of Islam?

Mr Edge, once the oil is dried up and people turn to electricity, your tight rope control of Pashtun society will come finally to an end.

Afghan Soldiers fought alongside Soviet Soldiers, the Non Muslims worked together with the Arabs to lure the Soviets into Afghanistan I.E bear trap, I mean Arabs are so untrustworthy ungrateful bunch of people, that it was the soviet union that assisted the Arabs in their epic failure attack on Israel.

Before you utter the word Kaffirs, working with Kaffirs this and that, You Arabs worked with the Kaffirs to use Afghan Blood. Now the tide has turned, I hope Nato colonises all your deserts and I hope Saudi Arabia has its soil turned to Ashes.

You guys want to drag the whole Non-Arab Muslim world down the black hole with you.

No Thanks.