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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/28/wo...lexandria.html


    With Muslim Brotherhood Set to Join Egypt Protests, Religion’s Role May Grow


    ALEXANDRIA, Egypt — Demonstrators in Egypt have protested against rising prices and stagnant incomes, for greater freedom and against police brutality. But religion, so often a powerful mobilizing force here, has so far played little role.
    That may be about to change.

    With organizers calling for demonstrations after Friday prayer, the political movement will literally be taken to the doorsteps of the nation’s mosques. And as the Egyptian government and security services brace for the expected wave of mass demonstrations, Islamic groups seem poised to emerge as wildcards in the growing political movement.
    Reporters in Egypt said on Friday that, after rumors swept Cairo late Thursday that the authorities planned to throttle the protesters' communications among themselves, access to the Internet, text messaging services and Twitter was not possible on Friday morning in Cairo, Alexandria and possibly other cities.
    Heightening the tension, the Muslim Brotherhood, the largest organized opposition group in the country, announced Thursday that it would take part in the protest. The support of the Brotherhood could well change the calculus on the streets, tipping the numbers in favor of the protesters and away from the police, lending new strength to the demonstrations and further imperiling President Hosni Mubarak’s reign of nearly three decades.
    “Tomorrow is going to be the day of the intifada,” said a spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood here in Egypt’s second largest city, who declined to give his name because he said he would be arrested if he did. The spokesman said that the group was encouraging members of its youth organization — roughly those 15 to 30 years old — to take part in protests.
    But Islam is hardly homogeneous, and many religious leaders here said Thursday that they would not support the protests, for reasons including scriptural prohibitions on defying rulers and a belief that democratic change would not benefit them. “We Salafists are not going to participate in any of the demonstrations tomorrow,” said Sheik Yasir Burhami, a leading figure among the fundamentalist Salafists in Alexandria.
    While the largest demonstrations have taken place in the capital, Cairo, and the most chaos Thursday was to be found in Suez, Alexandria has been a focal point for past protests. The beating death of a young businessman named Khaled Said last year led to weeks of demonstrations against police brutality and calls to overhaul the security services.
    The city on the Mediterranean, long Egypt’s gateway to the outside world, has mirrored the country’s steady erosion over decades of authoritarian rule. It has gone from being a cosmopolitan showcase to a poor, struggling city that evokes barely a vestige of its former grandeur. The New Year’s bombing of a Coptic church here was a reminder of the direction of the city, identified by European intelligence services as a hub for radicalizing students who come to study Arabic. Many of the most radical Salafists — those who would support the use of violence — were arrested by the government after the bombing.
    On the opposite end of the spectrum, Sheik Gaber Kassem, leader of the mystic Sufi community here, said the Sufis were discouraging their followers from taking part in the demonstrations, which the government has deemed illegal.
    “We are going to be in the mosque and we’re going to be in front of the mosque, but we are not going to march in the streets,” said Mr. Kassem, adding that they were in favor of freedom of expression and had taken part in legal protests Tuesday, but that they were against the violence and chaos that were likely on Friday.
    Relative calm prevailed here on Thursday, as activists said they were preparing for Friday’s demonstrations. With riot police and plainclothes security personnel watching, dozens of lawyers protested in front of the courthouse, calling for two of their colleagues who had been arrested at Tuesday’s demonstration to be set free and shouting, “People, people, take to the streets.”
    Hamid Said, 29, who founded the Nasar Center for Human Rights in Alexandria, said that to date the protests here had not been led by Muslim groups, as the government claimed. “You did not have the Muslim Brotherhood protesting here, you had normal people protesting against their problems,” said Mr. Said, a lawyer who said he had been arrested five times since 2008, but never detained for more than a few days.
    Mr. Said cited political oppression and police brutality as the leading causes of frustration among the people. He said that he had once applied for a position for which he was well qualified, but that he lost out to the son of a government minister.
    Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, a Muslim cleric known as Abu Omar, said that many conservative Muslims would not support a secular politician like Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Prize winner and former head of the International Atomic Energy Agency. “ElBaradei and the others, they have no connection to religion. If Hosni Mubarak goes, they will replace him with someone else like him,” said Abu Omar, who came to prominence after it was disclosed that he had been kidnapped by the Central Intelligence Agency from Milan in 2003.
    Religious leaders like Mr. Kassem said they could not rule out that many of their followers would join the protests.
    The spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood in Alexandria said that efforts by the government to hinder groups from gathering, like blocking access to social networking sites, would no longer be effective.
    “It’s already clear that we will go out tomorrow. The message is already out,” he said. “Tomorrow all the Egyptians are going to be on the streets.”

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    Ikhwanul Muslimeen want to establish democracy. They have rejected a religious state.



    Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- The Muslim Brotherhood said Wednesday it will promote democracy in Egypt but does not intend to field a candidate for president.
    "The Muslim Brotherhood are not seeking power," Mohammed Morsi, a member of the group's media office, said at a news conference. "We want to participate, not to dominate. We will not have a presidential candidate, we want to participate and help, we are not seeking power."
    The Islamist umbrella group also sought to dispel fears that it would push for an Islamic state in a post-Hosni Mubarak era.


    "We reject the religious state," said Mohammed Katatny, former head of the Muslim Brotherhood's parliamentary bloc. "We are not responsible of the speeches and statements of external forces. The regime have been using the Muslim Brotherhood scarecrow to tell the world that the regime is the only one who can safeguard the country, but this is wrong and it is their way to try to ignore the people's demands."




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    • #3
      whats with all this anti articles?

      we all know these saudis dont represent us so whats with these articles ,first from toramana and now from you?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
        whats with all this anti articles?

        we all know these saudis dont represent us so whats with these articles ,first from toramana and now from you?
        Scimitar is an outspoken Mu'tazili.
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        • #5
          never heard of that before,he is the first person i heard this Mutazili from.

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          • #6
            can some one explain what is a mutazili. , please don't cut and paste.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by torkham View Post
              can some one explain what is a mutazili. , please don't cut and paste.
              After the demise of The Holy Propbet (pbuh) a group of his companians gave allegiance to Hazart Abu Bakr (ra) through an election, another group believed that khilafa was passed to Hazart Ali (as) by devine decree and a third group of muslims chose not to follow any others way but follow their own rational. The third are mutazali and politically they did not get involved in the internal row that was taking place between the companions. They are distinguished on philosophical grounds but I don't know what significant differences there are between mutazali creed and sunni or shia creeds. I don't understand how different their interpretation of the Quran is from the rest either.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
                After the demise of The Holy Propbet (pbuh) a group of his companians gave allegiance to Hazart Abu Bakr (ra) through an election, another group believed that khilafa was passed to Hazart Ali (as) by devine decree and a third group of muslims chose not to follow any others way but follow their own rational. The third are mutazali and politically they did not get involved in the internal row that was taking place between the companions. They are distinguished on philosophical grounds but I don't know what significant differences there are between mutazali creed and sunni or shia creeds. I don't understand how different their interpretation of the Quran is from the rest either.

                Not quite.

                The khawarij were a group of new Muslims who revolted against the righteous caliphs. THeir revolt was crushed. THen they retreated and reformed into new groups. Some of them become philosophers.

                THe main problem of khawarij was the fact that they did not want to follow the companions. So when their violent revolt failed, the created new doubtful matters and philosophical interpretation of Qur'an.

                These philosophers were the Mu'tazilah. People who went against the companions of the prophet sal alalhu alyhi wasalam and his ahadith.

                They created many misguided concepts that were later popularized by mainly Sufis, Shi'as and even some sunni groups.

                For those who are interested in the story of Mu'tazilah, please read the biography of Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal and his encounters with them.

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                • #9
                  Mu'tazilah have a few major defects in their creed which is against Qur'an and sunnah.

                  They believe that we should rely solely on our brain when we interpret qur'an and hadith. They reject the interpretation of qur'an which conflicts with their rationale.

                  Like they reject punishment of the grave, the reject many other matters of ghaib ( the unseen) and claim that all these matters are figurative speech.

                  One of their worst defects in creed is their denial of allah's names and attributes.

                  They believe that allah is unable to hear, speak and know everything.

                  None of their beliefs are founded on Quran and Sunnah. But rather, they rely on Aristotles Metaphysics.
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                  • #10
                    I never heard of them. I have heard of Kharajites.

                    With what you have said, doesn't that mean Mutazilla are rejecters?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by unknownprince View Post
                      I never heard of them. I have heard of Kharajites.

                      With what you have said, doesn't that mean Mutazilla are rejecters?

                      Mu'tazilah reject anything that comes from the Sahaba. Including the sahih hadith as soon as it conflicts with their philosophy.

                      And their relationship with Qur'an is quite peculiar.

                      Mu'tazilah have produceda few scholars who were very good in interpreting the linquistic meaning of the Qur'an. Yet, they would go into extremes in their philosophical re-interpretation of the verses.

                      The prophet muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam and his companions did not spread an Islam where every piece of text in Qur'an or hadith is an obscure and vague statement.

                      Yet, Mu'tazilah claim that entire qur'an is abstract and needs to be interpreted by relying on philosophical concepts developed by famous Greek authors such as Aristotle.

                      Today, there are many Muslims who share Mu'tazili beliefs. They are primarily the Hadith rejectors, Sufis, Philosophers and some Shi'ites.

                      Among famous scholars of Deoband and Many Ash'aris today share similar beliefs as the Mu'tazilah.

                      But alhamdu lilah, most of the deviances of such groups are not well known by the common people. The creed of common muslims is very clear. They read qur'an and hadith and they accept the text as it is without going into philosophical and nonsensical re-intepretation which are contradictory to Islam
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                      • #12
                        "One of their worst defects in creed is their denial of allah's names and attributes.

                        They believe that allah is unable to hear, speak and know everything. "

                        WHAT ?!
                        How could they be so popular then ?
                        That sounds heretical and plain ridiculous

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Catya Sher View Post
                          "One of their worst defects in creed is their denial of allah's names and attributes.

                          They believe that allah is unable to hear, speak and know everything. "

                          WHAT ?!
                          How could they be so popular then ?
                          That sounds heretical and plain ridiculous

                          Mobody dares to go and claim that he/she is a mu'tazili. But the beliefs of mu'tazilah have been adopted by other schools. Mainly the Ash'ari and Maturidi schools.
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                          • #14
                            Oh I see.

                            [nobody except PF's Scimitar ?!]

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Catya Sher View Post
                              Oh I see.

                              [nobody except PF's Scimitar ?!]
                              Alchemist, Wrayun, Mujib, Haneef and several other members usually rely on classical mut'azili arguments when they enter into discussions about faith and belief in Islam.

                              But Scimitar is the only honest person among them. He does not lie about his true beliefs like the other people I have mentioned.
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