Who needs a man!

[Master Khan]

Abeille stop spreading crap in our beautiful forum and Culture.
You need to see a doctor because I think there is something wrong with you, I don't see you having kids in the future anyway.

[Feroza_Banu]

LOL @ some of the comments...

really enjoyed reading.

[Master Khan]

In the Quran it is not mentioned that a woman cannot marry 4 men, therefore I will do it (marry 4 men).

wai Allah, 4 men on one women..I can picture it and its not nice ...I tough you hated men and now you want to merry 4 men lol.

[Feroza_Banu]

^that comment of hers really made me laugh out loud...

[sahil112]

well any moderators care to say who deleted the posts? just be a man or a "woman" and say it was you and why!

[ScimitarXEdge]

I don't want to say too much just in case I incriminate myself in the process, but don't be too stirred up

"Yaz" is no she-stud ; she's a paper tiger, pure shock value; paper tiger isn't even the right description, more like paper mouse or paper mario.

Based on things she had the audacity has told a public audience (believe me I never even asked) in the past, the "male organ" terrifies her, her 4 husbands scenario will thus be just be like watching snow white and the 7 dwarves , minus 3 dwarves.

point being, the reason she fantasizes about all these power scenarios is because she's disempowered in real life.

[Admin Khan]

well any moderators care to say who deleted the posts? just be a man or a "woman" and say it was you and why!

Sahil Jaan, Singaya?

Do you honestly think what was being discussed in this thread was appropriate? Do you want me to restore the comments so everybody can read what was being discussed? Her beliefs are hers, and if you don't like them, refute them like many members rightfully are.

After all, this is a Pashtun Forum. If you think anyones posts are "inappropriate" report them to the staff, and the staff will be more than glad to review them and take action. The posts that were deleted, were reported privately and action was taken.

I said it before, and I will say it again, any post that anyone thinks is "inappropriate" should be reported.

If it matters, or if anyone cares to know, many other posters such as Shlombay, Roshina etc also had their posts deleted for breaking our rules. We don't "single" people out. It's a fair game. We are pretty lenient and easy to work with.

[sahil112]

Sahil Jaan, Singaya?

Do you honestly think what was being discussed in this thread was appropriate? Do you want me to restore the comments so everybody can read what was being discussed? Her beliefs are hers, and if you don't like them, refute them like many members rightfully are.

After all, this is a Pashtun Forum. If you think anyones posts are "inappropriate" report them to the staff, and the staff will be more than glad to review them and take action. The posts that were deleted, were reported privately and action was taken.

I said it before, and I will say it again, any post that anyone thinks is "inappropriate" should be reported.

If it matters, or if anyone cares to know, many other posters such as Shlombay, Roshina etc also had their posts deleted for breaking our rules. We don't "single" people out. It's a fair game. We are pretty lenient and easy to work with.

salam wrora khudai fazal dey ta singa ye?

and fair points, i will report in the future and thank you for reasons.

[unknownprince]

Ismailis have deviated completely. Under the agha khan he has corrupted islam.

Yes he does good work, but he is still a deviant and false descendat of the Prophet(pbuh).

However, the Assassins were a great political organization. That kept tyrants in check

[unknownprince]

Organization that kept tyrants in check

[IamDZJ]

I appreciated your concern. I am not confused. Rather, I have been enlightened.

I used to be a good "muslim" girl, if you want to call it that. Then I met some Muslims who opened my eyes. It all made sense. The reason why we, women, are suffering is because all of those who interpreted the Quran were men, and it was all about political control for them.

Ever since I have ventured along this path, I feel spiritual closeness to god. I have formed a great sorority with other Muslim women who think alike. How could it be possible to displease god and have a spiritual relationship with him? Impossible.

In Islam you don't need the approval of your first wife to marry a second wife. This is man made. I should therefore also be allowed to have multiple men without the consent of my husband. In Afghanistan this is impossible because of the society and its dictates--it is run by men after all--but in North America or Europe I can do it, there are laws that protect me.

I appreciated your concern. I am not confused. Rather, I have been enlightened.

I used to be a good "muslim" girl, if you want to call it that. Then I met some Muslims who opened my eyes. It all made sense. The reason why we, women, are suffering is because all of those who interpreted the Quran were men, and it was all about political control for them.

Ever since I have ventured along this path, I feel spiritual closeness to god. I have formed a great sorority with other Muslim women who think alike. How could it be possible to displease god and have a spiritual relationship with him? Impossible.

[In Islam you don't need the approval of your first wife to marry a second wife. This is man made. I should therefore also be allowed to have multiple men without the consent of my husband. In Afghanistan this is impossible because of the society and its dictates--it is run by men after all--but in North America or Europe I can do it, there are laws that protect me.]

there is nothing that the love of a man<--which is a must when it comes to a marriage can not buy you. key words being love and man..it can buy you respect, value for your approval of whatever the next step he is taking in life.. be it his decision of what he should eat for dinner or if he should marry another woman to unconditional love for the very traits in you that even you can not deny as being your weaknesses.
if there is love between the two of you then there will be respect, and if there isn't any and he dares to take advantage of you as a woman then you kick him to the curb and you kick him so hard that it takes the rest of his life just to get back on his feet again. that is where you show how much of a feminist you are.
you might think that afghan women aren't able to fight back do you really think that avoiding to spend the rest of their lives with a man an ideal thought for them?
let's be practical here..do you really think that a self respecting woman with a healthy amount of self worth would prefer being married to a fourth man as a second, third of fourth wife?? if you can't justify one man being married to three women at one time, how can you justify being to married to four men at the same time? two wrongs don't make a right.
why do you overlook the improbability of your own judgment by blaming someone else? shallow is when you make a crappy judgment and then instead of looking at your self and asking your self, "where did i go wrong and what can i do to fix it or avoid it in future", you blame others. shallow is being too scared of taking a chance in life and not having enough faith in one's self to realize that if your judgment happens to be wrong, you can manage to get yourself out of the mess you got yourself in to. shallow is when you choose to look at the world with the left eye, covering the other with a lame excuse of not liking the view you get of the world with it. that, my friend, is the description of a woman who is intimidated by the very thought of life and reality, not a feminist.. by any means..
'enlightened' my blank, go redefine yourself..

[Azad Khel]

Originally Posted by Abeille
We don't need a man to tell us what to do. When I go to the Arctic, I will dress appropriately. I can dress as I wish. If a man looks at me then it is his fault not mine. If he is looking at me that means that his woman is not satisfying him. Not my fault, he can't control himself. Not my fault I have what it takes to attract everyone's attention. Too bad for the lady who loses her man because she does not have the natural beauty. Nudity is an art. It should be promoted. Men have to control themselves and have to learn that we live in a society that no longer goes by their dictates. If in the past they wanted women covered because they could not control themselves, then today they don't have power anymore. Rather, they should live and let live. In nature modesty does not exist, therefore, we should not care for modesty. If modesty is defined by dressing appropriately then we should we should shun such definitions and expose our natural beauties.

There are many men out there who are donors. They have made life easy for those who want to get pregnant without a man.



Now I am discussing some of the points you raised.

Nudity is an art. It should be promoted.

At one side you say nudity is an art, which should be promoted. How an art can get a promotion without looking at it, analyzing it, viewing and observing it from various angles. Yes, of course this is done by the society consisting of men and women. But on the other hand you say If a man looks at me then it is his fault. If you consider this a fault, how this art can be promoted. If someone wants to promote his/her goods or services he/she should be neutral and un-biased towards the society, but your society is banned for men.

If he is looking at me that means that his woman is not satisfying him.

Being a great feminist as you assert, you are blaming the woman for not satisfying her man. You call her faulty as her man looks at your Art.

I have what it takes to attract everyone's attention. Too bad for the lady who loses her man because she does not have the natural beauty.

Again you are blaming the woman merely on the ground that you have that natural beauty and having those (things), which attracts many. But you know those things are God gifted and you have no right to blame other women not having such beauty and attraction. Again this is your fault to attract and pull the man of other woman by exploiting your beauty.
If a woman lacks natural beauty how she can be called faulty, resultantly she loses her man also.
You said “I have what it takes to attracts EVERYONE attention”, and of course everyone includes men also. This means you need men in your life.

There are many men out there who are donors. They have made life easy for those who want to get pregnant without a man.

You need a man donor then how can you say to get pregnant without a man. And the last thing if the child is born in the result of that pregnancy is a boy (man) then what will be your next reaction.

Sorry if any word has offended you. The purpose is not personal attacks but we need words when we are explaining our views. The topic is such where we have to sacrifice some values, norms and ethics………………….auo ka sanga……………

[Azad Khel]

Originally posted by Roshina:

Barkazai, you kept asserting that Christians and Jews are not considered believers by the Quran, but you never answered the question of how that explains why Muslim men may marry their women (when the Quran has completely forbidden Muslim men from marrying disbelieving women). I asked you if you saw that as a contradiction between points 1) that Muslim men marry Jews/Christians and 2) that NEITHER Mulslim women nor Muslim men may marry disbelievers.

Again, the Quran makes it quite clear that Muslim men and women are prohibited from marrying disbelievers.

Since I said this quite a few times in that thread and since you kept saying the same thing that everyone had said before, I figured there's no point in continuing it. I still don't think there's any point in continuing it because my questions remain:

1. The Quran tells both women and men not to marry disbelievers. In fact, it starts off telling men that they may not marry disbelieving women, and THEN it tells women they can't either. (2:221)
2. The Quran implies (some would argue "states") that Jews and Christians are disbelievers.
3. The Quran tells men clearly that they may marry chaste women from the Jews and Christians. This permission is in the same verse that tells ALL believers that today, everything allowed to the Jews/Christians is allowed to them (e.g., food).
4. The Quran never tells women that they may NOT marry chaste men from the Jews and Christians.
5. The Quran never tells women they may marry chaste Jewish/Christian men.

Now, if Christian and Jews are disbelievers, why did God say men can marry them -- but that men can't marry disbelievers? Are Christians and Jews really disbelievers then?

There are three ways I think we can see this as.

1) a contradiction, 2) one verse abrogating the other, and 3) Just because it doesn't say women can't do it doesn't mean they can't. Since everything else in that verse applies to all Muslims, this part of the verse may be applicable to not just men but women too.

If point 1 is correct, I don't buy it; there's definitely more to it than our understanding. If point 2, which verse abrogates which? Point 3 looks the most reasonable to me unless someone can convince me otherwise. I mean, how to believe that on the one hand, all Christians/Jews are disbelievers and Muslims are not allowed to marry disbelievers, but on the other hand, Muslim men may marry Christian/Jewish women (who are disbelievers!)?

I can't think of a more clearer way of stating this, but lemme try anyway:

Muslim women can't marry Christians and Jews because they are disbelievers? And does the Quran say that only women can't marry disbelievers? No, it say both men and women are not allowed to marry disbelievers. So how do you explain why men can marry Christian/Jewish women?

There. I think that's the simplest it can get. Thanks for trying to answer!




Roshina ( Q.G. ) tsanga yi marhey ………….maa kho dera yadawaley…….auo yawa ta yi chi zumung hado tapoos na kai………..khair………. now I am coming to the topic.

We have to concentrate on the Arabic words of Quran. In 2:221 Qur’an says
LA TANKIHUL MUSHRIKATI…………Mushrik means in the Qur’an Idolaters and not disbelievers. Disbelievers are called in the Qur’an KAFIREEN and this include all the categories of disbelievers. When it was allowed in 5:5 the word is used

“WALMUHSANATU MINNALLAZENA OUTUL KITABA MIN QABLIKUM”

The chaste women from those who were given the book before you. This is very clear and there is no ambiguity in its meaning . Mushrikeen was not given any book before and this refers to the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians).

Secondly, when you go into the depth of the words it is said ALYAWMA (today) OHILLA LAKUM (made lawful for you), This means these (foods and women were forbidden (haram) before the day these ayah was revealed, and thus these were made HALAL (lawful) for the believers.
After this clear ruling of Allah how one can assume that the women of the believers are lawful for the AHLI KITAB (Jews and Christians).

“MUHASANAT” is used for women only.

I know, you know the meaning but this is your old habit to distort the ayah and translate it to please your wishes and bring the equality between the genders.

[Michin Khel]

once I noticed a few members posting here (who actually speak sense), I decided to check what you wrote out. You are truly propagating immoral behavior . You want your husband to be a ok with you to be alone with another man? I suspect you are a male

or lesbian feminist

[Michin Khel]

some of history's most murderous, ruthless rulers were women. people such as queen elizabeth of spain, catherine the great, golda meir, margaret thatcher, and many many more. so her argument that if women ruled the world. things would have been better off is not a really factitious argument at all.

in the smaller scope of things consisting of day-today interactions, i have observed quite a few women are too catty, gossip-mongering, fight-picking, and cruel in comparison to men who more often tend to act out of logic rather than emotion ( as a whole, with the exception of some of the retards on this forum). i rarely made friends with females for the very reason that the majority are as how i described.

so true