Layla Bint al-Mihal

[graveyardofempires]

salaam... she was a companion of the prophet.... considered to be a very beautiful woman... she married one malik ibn nuwayra... who was a brave warrior and who worked for the islamic government as a tax collector... he fell in2 argument with the 1st caliph and during the ridda wars was killed by Khalid who proceeded to have intercourse with his wife... the sunni stance is he "married" her and hence she was halal for him... u do the math.... widows must wait for at least a few months before marriage and what woman marries the killer of her husband? thats the story in short...

for the last time ,are you shia?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

btw read tabari... sunni historian who testifies to the authenticity of the event...

He does not vouch for their authenticity, similar to when he reported the Satanic Verses he did this as a good and honest historian discussing the "stories of the hour" that had reached his ears and that he felt he ought to record for posterity.

In regard to both the Satanic Verses that have been thoroughly debunked by Western scholars as well as our own (Tabari actually concedes he has no isnaad to report on it either), Tabari takes the same stance on this story.

However, I want you to know brother that it matters not whether you are shiah or sunni, despite me being a sunni. We are one people with one goal. I have a great many shia friends and I still recall that when we were in Jalalabad my father was surrounded and going to be severely beaten when he defended a shiah. The sunnis had accused him of spitting in their food based on their religious traditions and my father asked the observers where they gleaned their evidences from. Luckily folks intervened.

That being said, these men, Umar, Ali, the beloved Zain ul Abideen and these women, Aishaah, Fatimah Bibi, etc are gone from the earth. The discussion of the historicity of evens surrounding them is extremely important for the sake of just that, for the sake of history. However, determining our bonds and ties with eachother ought to not hinge on their actions. They are in their graves and we will reach ours soon enough.

This is not an attempt to shut down discussion, its just a commentary on how these events of the past should be scrutinized for the sake of history and not for the sake of moving forward together.

I enjoy reading your posts and your contributions to the medical thread.

[Dreamer]

i dont know about layla and im not a blind follower of khalid ibn walid ok like i said he is not a prophet and he was a great warrior general.

you answer me this are you shia?
and how do you defend the homosexuals in your avatar holding a snake.

again your side stepping the issue... read tabari a sunni historian who accepts that something did Indeed happen... now how can u defend what he did ? thats all Im asking... my faith has nothing to do with this
as for my avatar... its the Greek god of Medicine, Asclepious and his daughter Panacea the goddess of health... I use it as Im a Dr... the snake of Asclepious is the international symbol of medicine

[Dreamer]

He does not vouch for their authenticity, similar to when he reported the Satanic Verses he did this as a good and honest historian discussing the "stories of the hour" that had reached his ears and that he felt he ought to record for posterity.

In regard to both the Satanic Verses that have been thoroughly debunked by Western scholars as well as our own (Tabari actually concedes he has no isnaad to report on it either), Tabari takes the same stance on this story.

However, I want you to know brother that it matters not whether you are shiah or sunni, despite me being a sunni. We are one people with one goal. I have a great many shia friends and I still recall that when we were in Jalalabad my father was surrounded and going to be severely beaten when he defended a shiah. The sunnis had accused him of spitting in their food based on their religious traditions and my father asked the observers where they gleaned their evidences from. Luckily folks intervened.

That being said, these men, Umar, Ali, the beloved Zain ul Abideen and these women, Aishaah, Fatimah Bibi, etc are gone from the earth. The discussion of the historicity of evens surrounding them is extremely important for the sake of just that, for the sake of history. However, determining our bonds and ties with eachother ought to not hinge on their actions. They are in their graves and we will reach ours soon enough.

This is not an attempt to shut down discussion, its just a commentary on how these events of the past should be scrutinized for the sake of history and not for the sake of moving forward together.

I enjoy reading your posts and your contributions to the medical thread.

sorry but the incident is recorded in tabari... no amount of burying ones head in the sand can ignore this... tabari takes the stance of the caliph that he made an "error of judgement"

[graveyardofempires]

Pregda mara da shiagano misal dase de che dewal sara sar jangawal...

de pa khabara na pohegy...

da khudai shukar obasa che da pa ky la na yu...

mutah , zanzeer zani , da sahabiano tasveeran joral nauzubillah...

de ve gane mong hum da de pa shan sahabiano ta sijda ko....

khudey dey mung wesatey dasey karuno na
khomeini de iraq aw iran pe jung ke irani askaranu la chabayney warkaweley aw wayley che da de janat chabey da warza pe.LOL

[Dreamer]

khudey dey mung wesatey dasey karuno na
khomeini de iraq aw iran pe jung ke irani askaranu la chabayney warkaweley aw wayley che da de janat chabey da warza pe.LOL

please answer the claim....

[graveyardofempires]

sorry but the incident is recorded in tabari... no amount of burying ones head in the sand can ignore this... tabari takes the stance of the caliph that he made an "error of judgement"

do you believe Omar(ra) was a kafir?nauzubillah

[Dreamer]

for the last time ,are you shia?

for the last time please expain what he did with Layla and her husband

[graveyardofempires]

please answer the claim....

please anwer me first

[Dreamer]

do you believe Omar(ra) was a kafir?nauzubillah

what I believe abt the second caliph has little if anything to do with the thread

[graveyardofempires]

for the last time please expain what he did with Layla and her husband

shia?

[Dreamer]

shia?

again... read the title of the thread... its about layla... its not abt shia/sunni... I am a student of history... I follow what history teaches... i do not blind follow nor do I bury my head in the sand or gloss over events... please answer the claim or leave this thread.... Manana

[BarakzaiAbdali]

sorry but the incident is recorded in tabari... no amount of burying ones head in the sand can ignore this... tabari takes the stance of the caliph that he made an "error of judgement"

He records it but has no isnaad for the event. It would be very similar to his recording of the Satanic verses.

However, if the discussion is in regard to the validity of Khalid's actions or how they reflect on him as a person, doesn't The khalifa's rebuke give you the sunni answer to your question?

[Dreamer]

He records it but has no isnaad for the event. It would be very similar to his recording of the Satanic verses.

However, if the discussion is in regard to the validity of Khalid's actions or how they reflect on him as a person, doesn't The khalifa's rebuke give you the sunni answer to your question?

the event happened... someone was killed and his wife was then either married (an invalid marriage) or raped... as for the caliph he is not above Gods laws... he shld have tried Khalid not mearly called it an "error of judgement" this is in stark contrast to the 2nd caliphs attitude who actually wanted the trial... consider the 2nd caliphs attitude to Khalid whn he assumed the caliphate

[Dreamer]

da documentary ogora....dera informative da da Islamic republic of Iran pa bara ke...

http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/mutah-prostitution-iran-documentry-5625/

http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/what-mutah-1835/

YouTube - Shia Scholar in Mutta Scandal With Prositute( VIDEO PROOF )

da ogora graveyard jana.....

how is this relevant to the thread abt Layla? you show urself to be nothing more than a child by such behaviour... if you cant answer the claims about Khalid kindly leave the thread... this is not a shia v sunni thread