There are no saints In Islam! The explanation if Islamic concept of Waliullah

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Prostration and worship of Sufi saint by ignorant Sufi worshippers

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[MazloomyarMaseed]

Showing me videos of other SECTS of Islam just like your Salafism isnt very convincing nor has it made me change my mind. As a matter of Fact, I could post 1000's of videos of your Salafi Wahabi Saudis dancing around etc. Very weak of you. I wonder why the european countries do not ban Salafism? I heard it was very popular during the yugoslavia war, Abu Hamza was sent by the British Intelligence to spread Salafism, but its so hilerious how the Bosnians now evern say that Wahabism is a big threat and due to Arabs this whole beheading culture has been introduced.

Salafism belongs in the Desert for bedions who use Camel Urine as a SKin moisterioser same just like how Hindus drink Cow urine.

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[imb706]

No saints (though I find references to Islamic saints on this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madurai and http://www.mythinglinks.org/NearEast...lam~Rabia.html but it could just be confusion), just people they will kill you over because you insulted them.

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[pir_Rokhan]

Sangar

The Barelvis are mostly Punjabis.This is not an Afghan/Pashtun problem.

In Pakistan ,there are multiple techniques to maintain the status quo so that military Punjbai elite keep on exploiting the resources of the oppressed nations.They keep on confusing the masses so that the probability of threat to the military empire is least.

Religion not only in Barelvi form but also in ahle hadis,shia,jumatul muslimeen,ahmadi,lahori group,pervezi ,ahlul sunnat,tablighis,jumat islami,tanzeemi islami,the qadria and chistia sufis,deobandi etc are all contributing to the status quo and hence there is least people who are there to challeneg the political system.

The rest of them are divided into poltical parties most of them are the fabrications of the ISI to divide the opinion and confuse the masses.

What I dont understand is why the hell would an Afghan student of Poltics get involved in these non issues while Afghans have so serious matters to face and resolve?

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Sangar

The Barelvis are mostly Punjabis.This is not an Afghan/Pashtun problem.In Pakistan ,there are multiple techniques to maintain the status quo so that military Punjbai elite keep on exploiting the resources of the oppressed nations.They keep on confusing the masses so that the probability of threat to the military empire is least.Religion not only in Barelvi form but also in Ahle hadis,shia,jumatul muslimeen,ahmadi,lahori group,pervezi group,ahlul sunnat wal jummat,tablighis,jumat islami,tanzeemi islami,the qadria ,chistia sufis,deobandi etc are all contributing to the status quo and hence there is least people who are there to challeneg the political system.The rest of them are divided into poltical parties most of them are the fabrications of the ISI to divide the opinion and confuse the masses.

What I dont understand is why the hell would an Afghan student of Poltics get involved in these non issues while Afghans have so serious matters to face and resolve?

Well...He blaimes Sufis and SHias for the Afghan mess and told me last year that he would accept the ISI rule of Law in disguise of Taliban Shariat.

What do you expect roara! Iam amazed how Education has failed to bring common sense to some

[pir_Rokhan]

I am dead sure and can even challenge that Sufis anfd Shias have least to do with the Afghan mess.

Well the only question he should ask ISI before accepting their fantastic rule of law and order is that why the same ISI dont like the same system for Pakistan and hence why the same ISI is agaisnt the Taliban of Pakistan?

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Sangar

The Barelvis are mostly Punjabis.This is not an Afghan/Pashtun problem.

In Pakistan ,there are multiple techniques to maintain the status quo so that military Punjbai elite keep on exploiting the resources of the oppressed nations.They keep on confusing the masses so that the probability of threat to the military empire is least.

Religion not only in Barelvi form but also in ahle hadis,shia,jumatul muslimeen,ahmadi,lahori group,pervezi ,ahlul sunnat,tablighis,jumat islami,tanzeemi islami,the qadria and chistia sufis,deobandi etc are all contributing to the status quo and hence there is least people who are there to challeneg the political system.

The rest of them are divided into poltical parties most of them are the fabrications of the ISI to divide the opinion and confuse the masses.

What I dont understand is why the hell would an Afghan student of Poltics get involved in these non issues while Afghans have so serious matters to face and resolve?

Sainthood and idol-worshipping is a major problem. When was the last time you were in Kabul?

They are not our main problem. But belief in divine qualities of political figures such as Sibghatullah Mujadidi, Sayyid Pir Gilani, Pir Jilani or the Pakistani Taher ul Padri does have major effect in how people perceive politics.

In last years elections in Afghanistan many tribesmen from Paktika, Zabul, Ghazni, Kandahar, Paktia, Khost and Logar voted for Karzai. Because Sufi leader Sibghatullah Mujadidi and other Pirs, Gilani and Jilani vouched for him.

In most parts of Afghanistan they worship these Sufi pirs and Faqirs. It might be that you have never been to Afghanistan and you have never witnessed the power and influence these people pose and therefore assume that they are irrelevant.

But they keep our people dumb and stupid by making them believe things that are not true. Such as their divine qualities and ability to communicate with Allah and the prophet on behalf of the people.

We need people like this:



We live in an age of advanced technology and sciences where there is no place for superstitious beliefs and political leaders claiming divinity.

You might be very much against Islam. But don't you agree that we should get rid of all these stupid grave and idolworshipping that is going on right now?

[pir_Rokhan]

Though gettng rid of grave and idol worshiipping doesnt solve our problem but yes that is ofcourse wrong and the roots of its wrongness in not in science,not in technology,not in politics,not in economics ,not in logic ,mathematics,physics,biology but in RELIGION.

The wrong conclusion you are drawing is that these things should not be worshipped because they are wrong by faith (which is a metaphysical or ethical cause ) . I think the correct way to stop this nonsense is argument not faith. These are non verifiable assumptions or superstitions mainly abstract and subective in nature. Unfortunatley though,these are all the properties of religion too.

No scientist will do the non sense of worshipping idols,or visiting graves,or believing in mystical powers or bla bla.So instead of refuting one abstraction with another abstraction,just teach them logic,mathematics,technology,media etc.They will know these things by themsleves.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Though gettng rid of grave and idol worshiipping doesnt solve our problem but yes that is ofcourse wrong and the roots of its wrongness in not in science,not in technology,not in politics,not in economics ,not in logic ,mathematics,physics,biology but in RELIGION.

The wrong conclusion you are drawing is that these things should not be worshipped because they are wrong by faith (which is a metaphysical or ethical cause ) . I think the correct way to stop this nonsense is argument not faith. These are non verifiable assumptions or superstitions mainly abstract and subective in nature. Unfortunatley though,these are all the properties of religion too.

No scientist will do the non sense of worshipping idols,or visiting graves,or believing in mystical powers or bla bla.So instead of refuting one abstraction with another abstraction,just teach them logic,mathematics,technology,media etc.They will know these things by themsleves.

I don't see self-respecting Muslim scholars from the orthodox school claim they saw the prophet in their dream telling them to call on people to vote for Benazir Bhutto or Karzai.

I don't see them claim they had revelation on some political issue whatsover.

In fact, the orthodox scholars are very strict in this matter. They encourage people to create a relationship with their lord directly without the interference of any other.

[pir_Rokhan]

I don't see self-respecting Muslim scholars from the orthodox school claim they saw the prophet in their dream telling them to call on people to vote for Benazir Bhutto or Karzai.

I don't see them claim they had revelation on some political issue whatsover.

In fact, the orthodox scholars are very strict in this matter. They encourage people to create a relationship with their lord directly without the interference of any other.

Self respect comes from self earning.The orthodox dont know **** about the world hence no means of income.This implies charity as a source of living.The only exception are the Salafi Mullahs who are fed directly from overseas using petro dollars.I know so many of them.I live in the area where these folks are in abundance.

Hence the only solution is either teaching in professional academic/ theological institutes or having some other skill to earn a respectable living.The rest is self deceit.