The many shades of Pashtuns/Afghans and Pashtun nationalists

[Azmal]

Here we go, this idiot is an excellent example of a delusional fascist “Hawk” category which I was talking about.

Dear Amu Jumper.....this is no Tajikum chapat Kala forum...this is Pashton forum...watch your mouth...hospitality is in our culture but rest assure that you can not abuse our hospitality just as your refugees forefathers been doing in our land.

I have not joined hands with anyone or seek to impose my identity on any people or to oppress any Pashtun who wants to live freely and amongst his own people. But make no mistake, when it comes to defending my people/land/history against your category people and becoming a "loy-afghanistan", I will get a gun from Shaitan itself and use it to fight you from cave to cave, valley to valley, street to street.

Your identity? What’s your identity? you have no identity.. racially your turk--Mongol and language you adopted Farsi language...it was only under Soviet pressure that Amanullah khan change the name of Kingdom of Afghanistan and Turkistan to Kingdom of Afghanistan...you see before US Turks were riding you people and yet you have this much hatred for us?

Make no mistake, we will break your jaw, we will break neck, we will break your delusional dreams.

Becareful dont you break your botton now.

I will fight you until the very last breath of mine! I will fight you until the very last bone of mine. The only way you can enforce your Loy-Afghanistan is to send every one of us to a mass-grave, and even then the land itself will resist you!

I hate violence but if you don't like loy Afghanistan then why don’t you jump back amu to your ancestral land? no one is forcing you to stay..and make sure the door doesn't hit your face.

We have seen Alexander, We have seen Arabs, we have seen Genghis Khan, we have seen your brief 20 year old empire, they all came and went.

lol you are children of Changiz khan...according to Professor Shayrani interview in Noor TV...silk road program...Tajiks are Turko-Mongolied people.

We are the one constant in our lands history. Your Loy-Afghanistan exists only in your delusional head.

Its not your land... read history...the land were all eastern Iranic..until arrival of your forefathers Turko-Mongol...thanks to your forefathers genocide the eastern iranic people and language were uprooted and since you people lack culture you adopted the language of Fars ethnics from Persia.

[Azmal]

Khidr,
take your time brother. We are not 'enemies', we are just trying to understand one another in better terms. This discussion is all about learning, not proving one another wrong. I wish you good luck on your exam, and I hope I can learn from you.

WE must not allow these people...we must learn form history...for past 100 years Pashtons kings were promoting their language and culture...and what they got in return is only insult by these ungrateful people. If you allow these people in your own...in no time they will claim ownership of your home. Why the hell Pashton, Baloch, Turkman, Uzbak, Pamiri and rest should speak the Tajerk language? Why the language of 20% of population be one of official language?

[Khidr]

In case any Pasthun was thinking about asking “why do you Tajiks and other non-Pashtuns not want to live with us in Loy-Afghanistan?” I can pinpoint to the absurdity and stupidity of this uneducated “Azmal” as being a perfect example of just why. Azmal great timing on your part! He is definitely the quintessential “Hawk Nationalist” to use Toramana’s definition. As far as Afghanistan is concerned, his type of “Amu to Abaseen are Pashtun Land, Pashtun are native others are refugee” are the majority amongst Pashtun Nationalists. He is what comes to mind when one thinks of "Pashtun Nationalist" in Afghanistan.


It must also be noted that not one of this "azmal type of nationalists" loves their Pashtun brothers from Pakistan so much so to be prepared to lose northern and western “Afghanistan” in order to attain Pashtunistan. So much for “blood is thicker than water”


Azmal,

Call me oxus jumper or Mongol, it doesn’t change sh!t. You know it, I know it! The fact remains, your Dawood Khani dreams of stealing my half of present day Afghanistan into your ‘Loy-Afghanistan’ will remain just a dream.


It will remain a dream as you go to bed tonight, it will remain a story you can tell your kids...an aspiration unfulfilled when you’re on your death bed. You know, I know it. It’s never going to happen, and it must hurt that you will never be able to do anything about it...the fact that a ‘turk-mongol-refugee-tajik’ will never let you attain your dream must hurt that little bit more.

[Nokia_Apridy]

KHIDRA Sumra SPEEN ya awo sta Gawdanyan Har Sarey ta Maloma da ..

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TORMANNA Pera Sa khuray nan saba ?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

In case any Pasthun was thinking about asking “why do you Tajiks and other non-Pashtuns not want to live with us in Loy-Afghanistan?” I can pinpoint to the absurdity and stupidity of this uneducated “Azmal” as being a perfect example of just why. Azmal great timing on your part! He is definitely the quintessential “Hawk Nationalist” to use Toramana’s definition. As far as Afghanistan is concerned, his type of “Amu to Abaseen are Pashtun Land, Pashtun are native others are refugee” are the majority amongst Pashtun Nationalists. He is what comes to mind when one thinks of "Pashtun Nationalist" in Afghanistan.


It must also be noted that not one of this "azmal type of nationalists" loves their Pashtun brothers from Pakistan so much so to be prepared to lose northern and western “Afghanistan” in order to attain Pashtunistan. So much for “blood is thicker than water”


Azmal,

Call me oxus jumper or Mongol, it doesn’t change sh!t. You know it, I know it! The fact remains, your Dawood Khani dreams of stealing my half of present day Afghanistan into your ‘Loy-Afghanistan’ will remain just a dream.


It will remain a dream as you go to bed tonight, it will remain a story you can tell your kids...an aspiration unfulfilled when you’re on your death bed. You know, I know it. It’s never going to happen, and it must hurt that you will never be able to do anything about it...the fact that a ‘turk-mongol-refugee-tajik’ will never let you attain your dream must hurt that little bit more.

The other ethnic groups are not all refugees. To conclude that would be incorrect.

Secondly, no one wants to lose the north and the west. The territorial integrity of Afghanistan is a personal matter to all Pashtuns. And that is also party what the Durrand Line issue is all about.

Thirdly, why is Dawood Khan vilified for trying to rectify the mistakes of his predecessors and in undoing a colonial-era wrong?

Fourthly, can you sing, master hobbit?

TORMANNA Pera Sa khuray nan saba ?

Paenda.

Levanaye Zalmaye, what is wrong with you?[sarcasm] Are you out your mind? How dare you bring forward such a pathetic agenda? We Tajiks should never allow these Pashtuns to unify. Take a look at our ethnic make up once the Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa join Afghanistan. Go for it Levanaye Zalmaye, tell us what the ethnic make up will be. It will be 50-60 million Pashtuns, and about 10-15million minority ethnic groups. Do you now realize why minorities are so concerned with us unifying?

How dare you, Admin Khan? This means war!

Seriously speaking though, can it be concluded that the great misfortune of one nation (in 1893) became the greatest blessing of another? I wonder what Shayesta has to say about this.

[Shayesta]

The only way you can enforce your Loy-Afghanistan is to send every one of us to a mass-grave, and even then the land itself will resist you!

Lemme guess, with help of USA and forty plus countries? Because history proves, on your own, you haven't been capable of that. Nor will be.

We have seen Alexander, We have seen Arabs, we have seen Genghis Khan, we have seen your brief 20 year old empire, they all came and went.

Next to whatever empires you just named, Pukhtoons even have seen 'Iranian' empire which also came and went, and even left Herat behind. Remember how?

Tajik not wanting to be apart of Loy-Afghanistan is as as chauvinistic as Pashtuns not wanting to be apart of Pakistan. In other words I and other non-Pashtun want to be apart of Loy-Afghanistan just as much as Admin Khan and Toramana want’s to be apart of Pakistan.

Now this makes more sense.

and it must hurt that you will never be able to do anything about it...the fact that a ‘turk-mongol-refugee-tajik’ will never let you attain your dream must hurt that little bit more.

It might, I guess. As much as it must hurt the fact that a bunch of Soleiman-mountain inhabitants immigrating to Ariana/Khorasan zameen will never give you back your Khorasan.

Seriously speaking though, can it be concluded that the great misfortune of one nation (in 1893) became the greatest blessing of another? I wonder what Shayesta has to say about this.

Before 1893 there was hardly any ethnic or religious discrimination going on in Afghanistan and therefore even Tajiks never were as afraid of Pukhtoons being a vast majority as they are today. Fair enough though, since 1983 a lot has changed and we Pukhtoons have lost much more than we can ever realize. Had we not lost Pakhtunkhwa in first place, I don't think the time would ever have come where it would have been a 'blessing' for any Tajik (or Hazara or Uzbek for that matter) to 'get rid' of millions of Pukhtoons.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Which category includes me? :O :O