What is the typical political affiliation of Pashtuns?

[imb706]

I assume a lot here are part of a pashtun diaspora (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'm wondering, when you guys are political, what is your typical political affiliation?

[imb706]

Well both I guess. What would afghans gravitate towards in in the U.S.? They're in the U.K. too I know.

And in Afghanistan, yeah I know the politics are less diverse there, I actually dont know much about its current political system. Maybe you could help me out on that too.

[imb706]

You mean like secessionism or nationalism? I don't think that exist in the US anymore, except maybe Texas.

[imb706]

Because of the US invasion? Also, I was wondering about things a bit deeper, like what's their socio-economic stances usually or is it they mostly focus on nationalism nowadays, for obvious reasons?

Also, India was once ruled by Afghanistan?

[imb706]

I actually don't know much of Al-Qeada, but I thought they were aided by the Taliban. But obviously I agree that we attacked for resources. That's been the reason for US action since the 1950s.

I'm personally against nations being formed for one group of people, I mean it's what happened with Israel and look, decades of conflict have happened. I don't know why anyone would want to go down that route.

Well I had no idea Afghanistan was a power house once.

Nice to meet you too. :Dgl

[Dinosaur Khan]

1- JI and JUI
2- Pakistan peoples party
3- ANP

[Dinosaur Khan]

^so what, British also considerd punjabis as martial race.

[Dinosaur Khan]

History of pashtuns is confined mostly to south asia. have u forget achievements of arabs, ottomans, romans, mongols etc?

[imb706]

The U.S.A itself aided the Taliban to defeat the soviets, The Taliban was a movement started by Pashtuns in Kandahar to defend the honor,pride of our country and women. They were loved and respected by U.S presidents, after 9/11 when the USA wanted "Osama" and ONE Taliban leader said "Show us proof" relationships got bitter.

I know all about the creation of the Taliban, it's not news to me personally, though I don't know what honor and pride they fought for. They seemed like a mob of violent thugs made to fight for someone elses battles. I certainly wouldn't want the Taliban here in California :P

Israel is a whole different story, thats more of a religious issue.

Well, yes and no. Here's a map that shows the development of Israel: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/images/israel.gif A lot of Leftist Jews (like Albert Einstein) thought the creation of Israel was a mistake, but now that it's here, I do support a two state solution. I certainly don't want to see Israel destroyed. But isn't the Taliban all about fundamentalist Islam? That's the impression I get.

Haha. now you do, People like Alex the great has said things like, "Mom, You have gave birth to a lion(talking about himself) but here in Afghanistan, everybody is a lion" The British also considered the Afghans as a martial race for not being subdued.

What's a martial race?

1- JI and JUI 2- Pakistan peoples party 3- ANP

What do those parties stand for exactly?

[imb706]

What do you know? Explain what you know.

Well, extremely long story short, what people collectively call "Taliban" are descendants of Afghan warlords who lived off the opium and heroin trade Afghanistan is known for. The PDPA tried addressing this by eliminating the poppies (same thing the US did in its history to defeat slavers and warlords during the Reconstruction era) which incurred the wrath of the warlords. The PDPA then in turn asked their Soviet allies for assistance, and the rest is history. The US did a big mistake I believe in arming fundamentalist for what? Just to get back at our rivals?

The honor for the country and the women, They defended the country against the Russians and defeated the Russians with American support. Even Americans consider it as honorary.

Unfortunately, I think Americans, especially here in Orange County, would think anything against the Soviet Union was honorable. But weren't women horribly abused under the Taliban? I mean, they made them wear those burqas for example.

Thanks to the media, now they do. Good and bad exist in all.

Well, I don't tend to get my opinions from mainstream media, but yes of course the mainstream media is overwhelmingly against them now. That's good but I mean, we should have told the truth about them from the beginning. Mainstream media is there to filter news, not report it.

No,no,no. They are a group of student. That's what it means. If you are in University, you are a Talib.

Oh, really?

[pir_Rokhan]

What ever is the party affiliation of the Pashtuns /Afghans,if they do not take care of the following points then we should know that the person claiming to be Afghan/Pashtun is either deceiving himself/herself or an imposter bringing destruction and catastrophe to the Afghanland across the Durand line and our nation.

1) That Pashtuns do not diccriminate anyone on the basis of color, creed, race, language , religion , territory or country.

2) That Pashtuns have never been imperialist, extremists, terrorist or sectarianists in their known history.

3) That our language, culture, country, land, traditions, values, ideology should be given the same respect as they demand from us.

4) That we cannot surrendor our rights in the name of any muslim ,or pakistani or asiatic brotherhood or other utopian ideas. We will always stand firm for our basic rights.

5) That the motherland and fatherland of all Pashtuns is Afghanistan though they might be living in various countries and we have to make sure that the ultimate worth of our life adds to the prosperopus future of our land,our people or soil though not at the cost of others' lives or destruction.

6) That any party or group , no matter how sacred or how sanctified it is in the eyes of the world,if has nothing good to offer for Pashtuns Afghans is of no use to us.

7) That we are not cannon fodders or gunnea pigs or scape goats to safegaurd the ideology or interests or glory of Arabs,Punjabis or any other nations.We are not with a party to sacrifice our life for it but to better our life.

8) That nothing,absolutly nothing is acceptible to us at the cost of our self respect and freedom.

Za ba ghulam nasham ke ghulam shee tol jahan.

[imb706]

Well, I heard the Taliban persecuted other ethnic groups. I mean, ethnic codes tend to discriminate against other ethnicities.

[abubaker]

I actually don't know much of Al-Qeada, but I thought they were aided by the Taliban. But obviously I agree that we attacked for resources. That's been the reason for US action since the 1950s.

I'm personally against nations being formed for one group of people, I mean it's what happened with Israel and look, decades of conflict have happened. I don't know why anyone would want to go down that route.

Well I had no idea Afghanistan was a power house once.

Nice to meet you too. :Dgl

according to the latest CIA documents ''ill see if i can find the link to the araticle'' taliban had no idea that alqaida was coocking up the 9/11 plot '' there are allot of people who say it was an inside job'' infact we know now that taliban had actually imposed ristrictions on alqaida movements, also prior to the invasion the taliban also asked the american government to prove usama bin ladens involvement in the attack and if proven guilty they would hand him over,, but offcourse the trigger happy idiots had a completely different plann then destroying alqaida

[imb706]

Yeah but the people who say 9/11 was an inside job are a group of whackjobs that usually are anti-Semitic and conspiracy theorist. A lot of the Tea Party members are 9/11 truthers, after all.

[abubaker]

Yeah but the people who say 9/11 was an inside job are a group of whackjobs that usually are anti-Semitic and conspiracy theorist. A lot of the Tea Party members are 9/11 truthers, after all.

even so, the american government has lied so much ''sadams WMD'' and so on, that anything they say now has no cridibility, if they could lie about one thing whats stoping to lie about anather.

whackjobs that usually are anti-Semitic

thats what you say i bet anti-semetic is your favourite world