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  • #16
    Sex abuse and silence exposed



    DND brass told of rape of boys by Afghan allies



    By David Pugliese, The Ottawa CitizenSeptember 21, 2009








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    Former Cpl. Travis Schouten spoke with the Citizen about the assaults he witnessed at Canada’s Forward Operating Base Wilson in Afghanistan in 2006.

    Photograph by: Photo courtesy Travis Schouten, The Ottawa Citizen




    OTTAWA — Army staff and National Defence headquarters officials were told in 2007 that young boys had allegedly been sexually abused by Afghan security forces at a Canadian base in Afghanistan, but the concern at the time was that the incident might be reported in the news media, according to military records obtained by the Citizen.
    In addition, last year Brig.-Gen. J.C. Collin, commander of Land Force Central Area, passed on to the senior army leadership the concerns raised by military police who said they had been told by their commanders not to interfere in incidents in which Afghan forces were having sex with children.
    The newly released records raise questions about a military investigation that earlier this year concluded that allegations about sexual abuse of Afghan children by members of the Afghan army and police were unfounded. The Canadian Forces National Investigation Service also stated that its thorough investigation concluded allegations of such incidents were never reported to Canadian military commanders.
    The allegations first surfaced publicly in June 2008 after concerns about the incidents, originally raised by soldiers and military chaplains, were reported in the news media.
    Former Cpl. Travis Schouten told military officials he had witnessed an Afghan boy being sodomized by two Afghan security personnel at Canada’s Forward Operating Base Wilson in Afghanistan in 2006. Another soldier also came forward to a Toronto newspaper to report a similar occurrence at the same base in 2006. A military chaplain talked about the abuse in a report sent up the chain of command at Canadian Forces Base Petawawa. Two other chaplains have also come forward to state that soldiers came to them upset about such abuses.
    The issue is sensitive for the Canadian Forces and the federal government as the Afghanistan mission has been promoted to the public as being about protecting Afghan civilians. The Afghan National Army and police are seen as key to Canada’s military withdrawal from that country in 2011.
    It is the position of the Canadian Forces that its troops have no jurisdiction over the activities of Afghan military and police personnel, even those operating on Canadian bases.
    The military records obtained by the Citizen through the Access to Information law note that a 90-minute meeting was held between an army public affairs staff member and a member of army commander Lt.-Gen. Andrew Leslie’s executive staff in the summer/fall of 2007. According to the June 2008 e-mail written by Lt.-Col. Stephane Grenier, an adviser on operational stress injuries, the meeting focused on various controversies that might be brought out in the news media, including, “ANP/ANA members having anal sex with young boys.”
    ANP stands for Afghan National Police while ANA refers to Afghan National Army.
    A second meeting about Afghan police and soldiers having sex with children was held later that week at National Defence headquarters involving senior members of the Defence Department’s civilian and military public affairs staff, according to the e-mail.
    In addition, on June 18, 2008, Brig.-Gen. J.C. Collin, commander of Land Force Central Area, passed on to Leslie’s staff and Brig.-Gen. Ian Poulter the concerns raised by several military police officers. Collin called the e-mail from the military police commander, “rather disconcerting.”
    Included were details from military police who noted it was well known among Canadian troops that ANA and ANP personnel had sex with kids. Another was upset that military police were told not to intervene in such matters, according to the e-mail.
    “At this late date I cannot specifically remember who delivered the said briefings however I can say that it was delivered in Gagetown and that it sparked considerable debate amongst the MP pers(onnel),” noted one police officer in an e-mail Collin forwarded to the army’s senior staff. The e-mail had been written by Maj. V.R. Ethier, the commander of 2 MP Unit, the army military police unit of Ontario.
    “Of greatest concern to the MP members was the belief that if they were (to) intervene in any instances of this nature that they would not be supported by the C o C,” the e-mail added. C o C is a military term for chain of command.
    Having sex with children is against the law in Afghanistan, but some military officers have argued that since it is practised by some Afghans, particularly in Kandahar, then the Canadian Forces should not get involved in what should be seen as a “cultural” issue.
    Maj. Francis Bolduc, deputy commanding officer of the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service, said his organization’s examination of the issue found no evidence to support the sexual abuse allegations.
    He said a thorough review of military police records showed no complaints were made about the issue and “all the allegations were unfounded.” Bolduc noted that the investigation found the sexual abuse concerns were never reported to commanders.
    Asked about the e-mails from Lt.-Col. Grenier and military police commander Maj. V.R. Ethier, he replied: “This is outside our lane.”
    Bolduc said those issues could be looked at by a board of inquiry into the issue that had been ordered by Lt.-Gen. Leslie.
    Last June, Defence Minister Peter MacKay told the House of Commons that troops would not turn a blind eye to the abuse of children. “Let us be clear, in no way, shape or form have Canadian soldiers and certainly the Canadian government ever condoned or excused allegations of sexual abuse against children in this country or anywhere else,” he said.
    Another incident recounted in the Ethier e-mail detailed how a complaint was made about the sexual abuse of children to his chain of command in 2005-2006 in Kandahar and after that an Afghanistan commander dealt with the situation.
    In addition, Brig.-Gen. Poulter received an e-mail on June 17, 2008 indicating that the sexual abuse issue had been raised by a Canadian colonel, a veteran of the war, during a military training session about Afghan culture. “He emphasized that it is not a practice that Afghan men discuss or practise in an open manner … one of those things that Afghans know happens but nobody talks about,” noted the e-mail to Poulter.
    In addition, it appears senior Canadian commanders were also concerned about the abuse. In a June 13, 2008, letter to army commander Leslie, the office of Lt.-Gen. Michel Gauthier asked that an investigation be started into the sexual assault allegations. “Furthermore, initial queries suggest there appeared to be some concern of the part of the Roto 2 BG chain of command with respect to certain off-duty activities related to the same incidents later raised to the reporter,” the letter noted.
    The records also indicate the allegations sparked much debate inside the military on what to acknowledge in public. The first response was to deny anything ever took place.
    However, a series of “talking points” were produced on June 17, 2008, in which it was acknowledged in regard to “Afghan male sexual abuse of underage males” that “Soldiers are generally aware of this practice taking place in Afghanistan; They know that abuse, let alone of minors is wrong by our standards; They will report this activity to the appropriate authorities.”
    It is unclear how the NIS investigation concluded the allegations were unfounded when other organizations inside the Canadian Forces were acknowledging that the sexual abuse was indeed taking place.
    A board of inquiry, ordered by Leslie last year, is still under way. The board, which has not released its report, will look only at whether the one assault reported in media occurred. The board is to “identify the actions taken by individual CF members and the chain of command in response to that incident,” as well as assess whether medical care was provided to any soldier who witnessed the incident.
    Recommendations will be made on how to address future incidents of that nature, noted the board of inquiry outline produced by Leslie.
    Leslie will review the contents of the report even though, according to military records, a member of his staff was informed about the sexual abuse issue in 2007.
    Leslie, through a spokesman, declined to be interviewed as the board is still ongoing.
    Asked whether there was a conflict of interest in allowing Leslie to review the findings of the board examining how the senior army leadership responded, an army official noted that Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Walt Natynczyk will also review the records.
    dpugliese@thecitizen.canwest.com
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    • #17
      Bring back Taliban to end police corruption, say Afghan truckers

      By Chris Sands in Kabul

      Thursday, 10 May 2007

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      Abad Khan has spent much of his life on Afghanistan's roads, driving a truck through some of the most beautiful and hostile terrain in the world. The work is hard but it gives the 30-year-old and his colleagues a view of this country rarely seen or heard about, and it is a view they are increasingly finding they do not like. Deteriorating security across Afghanistan means the country's roads are now rife with bandits, illegal checkpoints and corrupt officials.


      "We pay all our bribes to criminals and they are criminals who wear police uniforms," Mr Khan said. "In the daytime they have very smart police uniforms, then in the night they become Taliban and chop drivers' noses and ears off. No real Taliban do this."
      Truck drivers are an important barometer of the security situation in Afghanistan, as their work means they experience life across the country.
      When the Taliban first rose to power in the mid-1990s, it was in part a response to the rampant lawlessness on Afghanistan's roads, which had been dominated by the illegal checkpoints of warlords. Travelling anywhere was a gamble, and leading figures in the transport industry supported Mullah Mohammed Omar's fundamentalists because they longed for security. According to today's truck drivers, history is in danger of repeating itself.
      "The difference between when the Taliban were in government and now is the same as the difference between land and sky," 61-year-old Haji Mohammed Amin said. "Now we are sick of life and if we are sick of life, how can we enjoy it? What is the meaning of life for us? At that time it had meaning, now it is nothing."
      Violence has increased across the country this spring, and colleagues of Mr Khan and Mr Amin have been among the victims.
      This Monday, a trucker was injured in Kandahar by an improvised explosive device. During March there were a series of deadly attacks on Afghans transporting goods for foreign troops. In one incident, the decapitated body of a trucker was found dumped in the southern province of Zabul. But, most notoriously of all, at least three drivers had their noses and ears cut off this month in the eastern province of Nuristan.
      While officials say attacks such as these are the work of the Taliban, the truckers often refuse to believe the insurgents are responsible. Even when they do blame them, they still insist the police are a bigger threat. Truckers say bribes are usually between 50p and £30 and that policemen brutalise the drivers and vandalise their vehicles or simply syphon off their fuel.
      Mr Khan and Mr Amin were sitting with some colleagues waiting to eat lunch by Jalalabad Road in Kabul, the scene of a number of suicide bombings. The men gathered there hated and feared the police. One, called Rahullah, described how he paid bribes to three different policemen on a single night. "It's my dream that ultimately the government will be run by the Taliban, but we will still get financial support from the Americans," the-father-of-five said.
      Pakistan-based truckers began a strike last month over the increased taxes and roadside extortion here. Anwar Ali, a 23-year-old Pakistani, was one of those intending to take part in the strike. He carries fake documents to show he is working for private businessmen, when in fact he often transports goods for the US military. He had seen trucks set on fire by insurgents and did not want to take any chances. But the militants were the least of his worries. "Forget about the Taliban, our biggest problems are with the police," Mr Ali said.
      As Asif Hemat, a 27-year-old trucker, added: "This is the worst time I have ever experienced in my life."
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      • #18
        Corruption and drug abuse among Afghan police 'delaying the return of British troops'



        By Daily Mail Reporter
        Last updated at 1:21 PM on 28th March 2010



        Corruption, desertion and drug abuse among Afghan police officers are delaying the force's ability to take over the fight against the Taliban from British troops, the Foreign Office has said.

        The Government said it was aware of 'deeply concerning' criticisms of the Afghan National Police (ANP).
        A series of internal papers obtained by The Independent on Sunday laid bare the deep concerns of British officials over the standard of recruits to the police, ranging from illiteracy to poor vetting and low pay.

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        'Deeply concerning': These Afghan police officers were last week caught smoking narcotics inside a U.S. military base. The British government said it is aware of criticisms of the Afghan National Police

        A dispatch from the British embassy in Kabul only four months ago underlined the continuing problems in producing a fit, efficient and untainted force, the newspaper said.
        The dispatch warned: 'Vetting of recruits, often taken on the word of a village head, needs to be raised and drug testing made compulsory. Attrition needs to be addressed through less use as cannon fodder and greater pay in high-threat areas.'
        A month earlier, a briefing prepared for a UK official said: 'The scale of the challenge is immense. Building an independent, professional and accountable police force will take many years and require considerable international support.'




        The newspaper says that documents show that corruption, desertion and drug abuse are also threatening the UK's chances of an exit from the country.
        A Foreign Office spokeswoman said last night: 'The challenges to police reform are significant and long term, but progress is being made.
        'We are aware of widespread criticisms of the ANP, some of which are deeply concerning.
        'The UK is fully committed to police reform to ensure a professional and accountable police force.'

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        Leaked: A British diplomat complained of 'incompetence' by Afghan officials after Prince Charles was unable to meet President Hamid Karzai last week

        It also emerged that a senior British diplomat had complained of 'incompetence' by Afghan officials after the Prince of Wales was unable to meet President Hamid Karzai during his surprise visit to Afghanistan this week.
        In a memo leaked to The Sunday Telegraph, Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles, Britain's special representative to Afghanistan, said: 'Owing to the President's staff's all too credible incompetence (but nothing more sinister), Karzai was away in China throughout a Royal visit which the President himself had long solicited.'
        A Foreign Office spokeswoman said: 'We never comment on leaked documents.'


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        • #19
          Source: Washington Post

          ANKELA, Afghanistan (Reuters) - As British troops moved into the village newly freed from Taliban control, they heard one message from the anxious locals: for God's sake do not bring back the Afghan police ...

          ... as they advance, they are learning uncomfortable facts about their local allies: villagers say the government's police force was so brutal and corrupt that they welcomed the Taliban as liberators...

          (Mohammad Gul, an elder in the village of Pankela) pointed to two compounds of neighbors where pre-teen children had been abducted by police to be used for the local practice of "bachabazi," or sex with pre-pubescent boys.

          "If the boys were out in the fields, the police would come and rape them," he said. "You can go to any police base and you will see these boys. They hold them until they are finished with them and then let the child go."

          The Interior Ministry in Kabul said it would contact police commanders in the area before responding in detail.
          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

          The message given loud and clear to the advancing troops: "If (the British) bring these people back, we can't live here."
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          • #20
            Who Cares About Child Rape and Sodomy by Afghan Security Forces?

            Contributed by blackandred on Fri, 2010/03/05 - 11:42am.
            In sections:

            1, 2, 3 ... What Are We Fighting For?
            Who Cares About Child Rape and Sodomy by Afghan Security Forces?
            By DAVE LINDORFF; March 5-7, 2010 - Counterpunch Weekend Edition

            The stated goal of the US-led War in Afghanistan, according to the Obama Administration, is to defeat the Taliban and establish a stable democratic government over the entire country. Critical to that goal is establishing a professional Afghan army and police force that is not corrupt, and that has the respect of the Afghan people.
            But reports out of Canada suggest that far from creating such a military and police force, the so-called International Security and Assistance Force (ISAF) is turning a blind eye to the thuggish criminality of those organizations, both to avoid growing opposition in ISAF member countries, and to avoid offending those organizations in Afghanistan.
            The issue in question is routine rape and sodomy of children by Afghan soldiers and police operating on Canadian-run bases in the Kandahar region.
            As reported last fall in the Ottawa Citizen newspaper, Canadian military chaplins and some soldiers have been complaining as far back as 2006 that Afghan security forces have been sodomizing young boys on their base. These military whistle-blowers charge that the military brass has been ignoring or burying their complaints, fearing the bad publicity they could generate.
            The paper reports that Canadian military police have also complained, as reported by Brig.-Gen. J.C. Collin, commander of Land Force Central Area, that they were being told “not to interfere in incidents in which Afghan forces were having sex with children.”
            According to the paper, the Canadian military command has argued that, even though sex with children is against the law in Afghanistan, the practice is culturally accepted and that the Canadian forces “should not get involved in what should be seen as a ‘cultural’ issue.”
            Makes you wonder what other “cultural” issues involving Afghan security forces that the Western occupiers might not want to get involved in. Perhaps the oppression of women? That’s certainly part of the culture. How about bribery and extortion? Based on the evidence--that the police in Afghanistan are a wholly corrupt entity, and that the army is not much better--arguing that corruption is “culturally acceptable” would be easy to do. How about drug dealing? Again, that appears to be quite the culture in Afghanistan.
            Kudos to the Canadian grunts, MPs and chaplains who found the sexual abuse of children more than they could stomach, and who brought their concerns to public attention at home in Canada when their own commanders sought to cover it up.
            It makes me wonder, though, why here in the hyper-moralizing US, we haven’t heard a peep from our troops about similar behavior by Afghan forces on US-run bases.
            It’s hard to believe that a practice so common on a Canadian base that it provoked such outrage among Canadian soldiers is not also occurring elsewhere.
            This leaves us with two possiblities:
            US soldiers and marines are just not as willing to go outside the chain of command and go public with their complaints, or ...
            The US media are not interested in investigating this kind of story. It involves only Afghans, and who cares about Afghans? What American journalism covers is Americans. (Remember the big spate of stories about the sex escapades of guards at the US embassy in Kabul?)
            I’d say it’s probably a combination of the two.
            At any rate, the picture painted of Afghanistan’s army and police in the Ottawa Citizen article does not bode well for any plan that hinges on their taking over from US and ISAF troops any time soon...or for the fate of young children of Afghanistan, if and when they do.
            Dave Lindorff is a Philadelphia-based journalist and columnist. His latest book is The Case for Impeachment (St. Martin’s Press, 2006 and now available in paperback). He can be reached at dlindorff@mindspring.com
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Master Khan View Post
              They are more repectful then the Pak Army
              Originally posted by *BADAL* View Post
              yes I agree with u Master khan.

              I dont wanna pop your guys's bubble but the army you call "respectable" is being led by General Fahim, yes the very same "tajik" General Fahim who commanded the northern alliances and raped your women...

              Pakistan army saved your women and you call them disrespectful whereas the same people who were butchering your people, raping your women and taking your lands are today commanding your army, yes General Fahim is also the defence minister. And this is just tip of the ice berg here

              But anyways this a thread about ANA leave Pakistan out of this
              It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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              • #22
                Didn't your punjabie army rape about 200000 bangladishi womens

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Master Khan View Post
                  Didn't your punjabie army rape about 200000 bangladishi womens
                  The general dostum that you guys were arguing about in that other thread is also leading this "Afghan National Army" and he isnt a pashtun either he is a Uzbek commander. But yeah you call them respectful for raping your women ?

                  Didnt the muslims get butchered when India was divided ? and for your info Pakistan issued an official apology, what happened in Bangladesh was because of the trachery of their political leaders who sold us out during war. You neither know your history nor ours so lets stick with the facts

                  Read below for his exploits

                  Originally posted by Injaley
                  O, daughters of Balkh! Your unrivaled beauty is the stuff of legends. One of your own has enchanted Alexander the Great with her pulchritude. And the violence you have suffered under the breast-shaped clay roofs of your Baktrian homes is unspeakable, unspoken, and unpunished.

                  In late 2001, after helping kick the Taliban out of northern Afghanistan, two militias allied with the United States raped and plundered their way through your villages. One was the ethnic Uzbek militia of General Abdul Rashid Dostum; the other was made up of ethnic Hazara followers of the warlord Muhammad Mohaqiq. They killed your men, slaughtered and stole your livestock, pillaged your homes, and violated your sisters, mothers, and daughters. Some of them took the time to explain why they had picked you as their victims: Because you are Pashtun, the ethnic group that made up most of the Taliban.

                  They were victorious; they were in the mood to avenge the rapes and massacres Taliban fighters had committed against their own wives, sisters and daughters. In the evolution of warfare, swords replaced javelins and guns replaced swords -- but rape has remained just as efficient a weapon as it was when the Achaemenid armies lay waste to this land, 2,600 years ago. You, daughters of Balkh, were the latest targets of the latest revenge cycle that swept through your country. Wheat in your fields has shuddered at the anguished screams of generations of your foremothers.

                  Eight years ago, four Pashtun women told me of their assailants, three fighters from Dostum's militia, Junbish-e-Milli-e-Islami who took turn raping them all night. Technically, only one of them, Nazu, was a woman; her daughters were 10, 12, and 14. The youngest, Bibi Amina, was playing with the fringe of the giant red scarf that covered her head and smiling. It seemed to me that she had not understood what had been done to her.
                  The local police chief, an ethnic Tajik, said at the time that his men were too few, and too poorly armed, to hunt down the assailants. He was waiting for reinforcements.

                  Years passed; the militiamen who ravaged the Pashtun villages in Balkh remained free. Their warlords became government ministers; their lower-ranking commanders received posts in parliament; many of the rank-and-file fighters joined the police and the army. Their victims stopped talking about the crimes they had endured: Rape in Afghanistan carries a mark of unutterable disgrace.

                  In the same villages I visited years ago, I now find different women grieving quietly, and alone, under their breast-shaped roofs -- perfect hemispheres that face the limpid clay sky and virescent fields of wheat. They knead their tragedies into the golden sundials of nan they bake in smoky tandoor ovens in their impoverished courtyards; they weave them into the oil-black braids of their young, beautiful daughters; they immure them into the crumbling house walls they mend with fistfuls of straw and mud. When they do speak of those terrible days after the Taliban fell, they equivocate.

                  "They touched all the women and the teenage girls," one widow, whose cheeks and forehead are dotted with deep-blue marks of tribal tattoos, whispers to me in the corner of her dust-choked house.

                  "They dragged us out of our homes. Women and girls are ashamed to talk about what happened then," says another, modestly covering her face with a tattered scarf the color of ripe wheat.

                  "In my father's house they gathered all the women in one room," says the third. Her amber eyes bore through me. "We will never forgive these crimes. Until we die."

                  Last month, the Afghan government confirmed that it had signed into force the National Stability and Reconciliation Law -- and what a tragic misnomer that is. The law effectively amnesties all warlords and fighters responsible for large-scale human rights abuses in the preceding decades. "Their view," says Farid Mutaqi, a human rights worker in Mazar-e-Sharif, "is that justice should be the victim of peace."

                  You know what this means, daughters of Balkh: This means your rapes will never be punished. Perhaps, in some future iteration of war that has been rolling back and forth through these green wheat fields almost incessantly for millennia, they will be avenged -- through some other rapes, of some other women.
                  Last edited by Talal; 04-21-2010, 03:58 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Talal View Post

                    I dont wanna pop your guys's bubble but the army you call "respectable" is being led by General Fahim, yes the very same "tajik" General Fahim who commanded the northern alliances and raped your women...

                    Pakistan army saved your women and you call them disrespectful whereas the same people who were butchering your people, raping your women and taking your lands are today commanding your army, yes General Fahim is also the defence minister. And this is just tip of the ice berg here

                    But anyways this a thread about ANA leave Pakistan out of this

                    Article: Asian Human Rights Commission
                    Pakistan: Young Women Held In Military Torture Cells And Forced Into Sexual Slavery
                    Ms. Zarina Marri, a 23-year-old schoolteacher from Balochistan province, was arrested in late 2005, and has been held incommunicado in an army torture cell at Karachi, the capital of Sindh province. She has been repeatedly raped by the military officers and is being used as a sex slave, to induce arrested nationalist activists to sign state-concocted confessions.
                    One man, who was arrested by a state agency and kept in military torture cell almost for nine months, narrated the story of this young woman to Reporters Without Borders (Reporters Sans Frontières, RSF); nowpublic.com; the International Red Cross; and at Woolwich Court in London. The current whereabouts of the young woman are not known. It has been asserted that women who are fighting for the greater autonomy of Balochistan are being arrested by the state agencies and being forced into sex slavery in their custody.
                    Mr. Munir Mengal, the managing director of a Balochi-language television channel, was arrested on April 4, 2006 from Karachi International airport by the state intelligence agencies and transferred to a military torture cell in Karachi for nine months (http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2006/1666/). He narrated the story of the forced sex slavery of the young teacher Zarina Marri whom he encountered in a military cell. According to the Reporters Without Borders (RSF) Mr. Munir Mengal witnessed many human rights violations in this military prison. Mengal says that, "a young Balochi woman, Ms. Zarina Marri, was used as a sexual slave by the officers. They even once threw her naked into my cell. I did not know what had happened to this mother of a family who was arrested by the army in our province."
                    Another Balochi nationalist (name omitted by request), who was arrested by the military intelligence agency twice and kept in military cells in different cities, has confirmed to the AHRC that there were young Balochi females seen at those two torture cells, naked and in distress. The prominent Balochi nationalist leaders say that they know fact that young Balochi women are being arrested, either during or after protest demonstrations on the disappearances and are missing. They also know about the women are sexually abused in the military custody but they cannot say so publically because of their sanctity and harassment of their families.
                    Mr. Munir Mengal was also tortured and his penis was severely injured when he refused to have sex with Zarina Marri. He told RSF, "on 27th January, 2007 at 6 pm Major Iqrar Gul Niazi (Military Intelligence) called me in his office and showed me some nude pictures, and laughingly told me that you have been a director of a TV channel so certainly you have good relations with actresses."
                    When he returned to his cell he found porn pictures strewn all over it. Around 12 pm a low-ranking military officer called Subedar brought a female there. She was trembling and weeping. "He threw her on my body and told me, 'You know what to do with her. You are not a child we have to tell what to do with her.'" Mr. Mengal says after half an hour the officer returned, and seeing them sitting apart, abused them and forcibly took off their clothes. Mengal said he was stunned when the woman began praying in the Balochi language. She told Mengal her name was Zarina Marri and that she belongs to the Kohlu area, headquarters of the rebel Marri tribe, a scene of a bloody insurgency that begun in 2005. She said she was a schoolteacher and that the army personnel had abducted her along with her one-year-old.
                    "They accuse us for spying for the Baluchistan Liberation Army," Zarina Marri said. She begged Mengal to kill her. “I have been undressed several times for them."
                    Mengal said on the refusal to have sex, the intelligence officials inflicted cuts on his private parts. "I thought I would lose my manhood," he said. Ms. Zarina told to Mengal that she has seen some females in the torture cell but was not allowed to talk with them.
                    At the time of this incident Colonel Raza of the Pakistani Army was in charge of that cell. After a few days he was transferred to Rawalpindi, Punjab province and Colonel Abdul Malik Kashmiri came as head of the military torture cell.
                    Mr. Munir Mengal was released from the military torture cell on 4th August 2007 and was held in a civilian jail on August 5th. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) representatives met him in Khuzadar jail, where he provided them with a detailed briefing which they wrote down. The next day their doctor also checked the injured portion of his penis. Mr. Andrew Barterlays, the officer of ICRC who visited Mr. Mengal several times in jail, told Mr. Mengal that until he was out of custody the ICRC could not take up the issue of Zarina Marri, because both their lives would be threatened.
                    The Asian Human Rights Commission has already reported that 52 torture cells are run by the Pakistan army, please see following link (http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mai...atements/1574/), Karachi was stated to have three military torture cells. The testimony by Mr. Munir Mengal has revealed the most heinous methods of army torture, using young women as sex slaves to induce political opponents to sign the government-concocted confessions of terrorist and anti-state activity.
                    The AHRC severely condemns the use of women as sex slaves by the Pakistan army and for keeping these women incommunicado. Pakistan is the signatory to Convention on the Elimination of All Forms Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) but women are being used as sex slaves in a gross violation of the Convention by army officers.
                    The AHRC urges the government of Pakistan to immediately hold a judicial investigation into the women detainees being used as sex slaves by the army officers in their detention centers, and to arrest all the army officers posted in the torture cells; both in Karachi and in the rest of Pakistan. The perpetrators of these heinous crimes must be brought before the law. The government should ascertain the whereabouts of the women arrested from Balochistan province who have disappeared after their arrest, including Zarina Marri. It is the duty of the government to search for the missing persons taken by State intelligence agencies, who have held them in torture cells for many years.
                    Pakistan proudly calls itself the Islamic Democratic State but its rulers appear to lack the courage to bring its own military into check. It is a military that engages in torture and some of the most heinous methods of breaking the spirit of those that it considers the enemy, it is a military that pays no heed to the norms of civilised behaviour and is one that, if not brought to book will convert Pakistan into a barbaric state.
                    ENDS
                    13 January 2009
                    Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0901/S00238.htm
                    Posted on 2009-01-13
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                    • #25
                      ^ baloch autonomy blah blah...Pakistan is only going after the RAW agents and any person that goes missing is blamed on Pakistan Military.

                      And every country in the world runs torture cells for interrogations and intelligence, cough* Guantanamo ? Anyways lets keep this to "Afghanistan National Rape Army" shall we ?

                      PS stop googling it wont get you far, try putting the same thought into what the likes of Fahim and Dostum did and how these are the exact people running the show
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Talal View Post
                        ^ baloch autonomy blah blah...Pakistan is only going after the RAW agents and any person that goes missing is blamed on Pakistan Military.

                        And every country in the world runs torture cells for interrogations and intelligence, cough* Guantanamo ? Anyways lets keep this to "Afghanistan National Rape Army" shall we ?

                        PS stop googling it wont get you far, try putting the same thought into what the likes of Fahim and Dostum did and how these are the exact people running the show
                        What's the matter? Afghan army is bad because it is lead by Fahim and Dostum? But Pakistani army only goes after RAW agents?

                        According to Pakis even Baitullah Mehsud was RAW agent

                        Just don't be a hypocrite. Pakistani army is just as bad is the apostate nihilist army of Afghanistan.

                        But are servants of kuffar and enemies of Muslims. Both kill and torture innocent people. Both are commanded and directed by the Americans.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Talal View Post

                          I dont wanna pop your guys's bubble but the army you call "respectable" is being led by General Fahim, yes the very same "tajik" General Fahim who commanded the northern alliances and raped your women...

                          Pakistan army saved your women and you call them disrespectful whereas the same people who were butchering your people, raping your women and taking your lands are today commanding your army, yes General Fahim is also the defence minister. And this is just tip of the ice berg here

                          But anyways this a thread about ANA leave Pakistan out of this
                          Be aware dear Afghans, here is a punjabi trying to create differences between Afghans, he is trying to put us down by saying that Afghan Army is led by a Tajik! Be aware he is trying to destroy our unity, dont be fooled by him...

                          And btw Talal(ISI) Afghanistan Defence minsters name is Abdul Rahim Wardak and he is pure Pakhtun.

                          “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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                          • #28
                            Tajiks are doing dirty jobs in Kandahar because Pashtuns are too proud???

                            WHen was the last time you were in Kandahar?
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by kunar1990 View Post
                              Be aware dear Afghans, here is a punjabi trying to create differences between Afghans, he is trying to put us down by saying that Afghan Army is led by a Tajik! Be aware he is trying to destroy our unity, dont be fooled by him...

                              And btw Talal(ISI) Afghanistan Defence minsters name is Abdul Rahim Wardak and he is pure Pakhtun.

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahim_Wardak
                              Abdurrahim Wardak is the proud Pashtun warrior who wept during independence day when he and Karzai were shot at
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                              • #30
                                @sangar and amricanpashtun

                                lets keep pakistan army out of this shall we ? What Pakistan army doesnt do is raid Pakistani villages and rape people, what it doesnt do is appoint war criminals as Defence ministers. This is also something that Pakistan army does


















                                i dont have the time to look for other stuff anyways keep it to afghans here


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