Future Secular Pukhtoon State and Pornography Laws

[Wrayun]

Hi there, my name is Wrayun. I am a Pukhtoon entrepreneur. I wish to inquire about this fantastic future secular state that some have proposed. According to some I don't know much about atheism or secularism. I probably don't, so here I am, all ears.

A buddy of mine tells me that pornographic smut is good business (even at times of great economic depression). He has heard a lot about our Pukhtoon women and their uncompromising exotic beauty. Scholars and orientalists alike have written about it. Our neighbors, friends and foes, tease their own women with praises for ours. This niche isn't explored, and due to the scarcity of authentic Pukhtoon flesh in the porn industry, we believe that this will be EPIC and totally CASH!

We hope to start our new porn production soon. With us is a handsome negriod performer (rumor is he is well endowed), anxious to be the first in the industry to participate in this one of a kind erotic adventure.

The title of our production: Zangli Apashi oh Mastay Peghlay

To the point: Do we (or will we) have the FREEDOM, in your (future) SECULAR STATE, to pursuit and explore our (such) entrepreneurial ambitions?



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Note to admin/mods: There is no vulgarity here, and no bedouin prophet or sky-god insulted. Though, Spaggetti Monster can suck on some spicy kuftaz.

[Wrayun]

Shlomby,

If you are aware what makes you think our atheists or secularists will adopt to it or participate?

Well if they won't allow this or "adopt" to it, then they aren't really atheists or secularists for that matter.

Of course, there is the possibility, that you and I, don't know what atheism and secularism is about. We are confused. Not to worry though, our resident secularists and atheists can clear that any moment (unless it's more of the U'z done goof'd! U'z don't know what U'z talking about!).

[Musafira]

Wrayun why do you assume that the atheists here are sex obcessed perverts when it's YOU who in almost every other post of yours brings up some sort of sexual perversion??? Over and over and over again. I have yet to see ANY athiest here on this forum bring up or suggest the filthy things you imply they all want to do. I do not like it when people insult Islam & I DO report that and I DO and will keep on complaining about your vile posts which offend me as a Muslim female. Why don't you try to prove your point without being a pervert!

[Wrayun]

Wrayun why do you assume that the atheists here are sex obcessed perverts when it's YOU who in almost every other post of yours brings up some sort of sexual perversion??? Over and over and over again. I have yet to see ANY athiest here on this forum bring up or suggest the filthy things you imply they all want to do. I do not like it when people insult Islam & I DO report that and I DO and will keep on complaining about your vile posts which offend me as a Muslim female. Why don't you try to prove your point without being a pervert!

You got it all wrong. I never said that secularist and atheists are perverted. That is a wrong notion. Atheists and secularists have morals (as I am told).

It's not an atheist that is inquiring here. It is Wrayun, a future capitalist, and I can be a Muslim (not a good one if I am producing porn) or a Hindu (don't know what they think about it, probably don't approve - what does hindupashtun say?) Or I could be an atheist. But in this case, I am NOT an atheist.

The point, is, that I, Wrayun, am asking, the secularist atheists of the future secular Pukhtoon state, who are probably very much against porn (very very bad thing), due to their virtuous morals (unlike mines), if laws will allow me to pursuit this in their marvelous, fantastic, democratic, free thinking, future secular Pukhtoon state.

[Baygham]

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The point, is, that I, Wrayun, am asking, the secularist atheists of the future secular Pukhtoon state, who are probably very much against porn (very very bad thing), due to their virtuous morals (unlike mines), if laws will allow me to pursuit this in their marvelous, fantastic, democratic, free thinking, future secular Pukhtoon state.

pornography was banned in all communist states, the family laws were some of the strongest in europe. No body is advocating communism, but whats your point.
Your degenerate attempt at being relevant has obviously backfired. So kindly regress back to the cave you came out off.

[شمله ور خراساني]

pornography was banned in all communist states, the family laws were some of the strongest in europe. No body is advocating communism, but whats your point.
Your degenerate attempt at being relevant has obviously backfired. So kindly regress back to the cave you came out off.

actually no. Pornography was not banned because it was immoral. BUt because it was prone to private entrepreneurship. Obviously the state was unable to finance porn movies.

But it does not mean there was no porn or prostitution in soviet union.

[Wrayun]

sabak dha madrasee wai, para dha peesee wai,
janath ki ba ii zai nee, dhozakh ki ba gasee wai.

another favorite of mine is what some mullahs told poor folks, whose children were offered free scholarships in Russia to earn college degrees. They said that 'you are sending your sons to russia, but there they marry there sisters and when they come back they will ask for the sisters hand in marriage"

Dear Wrayun,

That was uncalled for. But I understand your sentiments.

However, you only dig your own grave with such statements. Only if you were intelligent enough to realize that.

ps, you forgot to mention my sister, and my grandmother in you assessment.

[Baygham]

actually no. Pornography was not banned because it was immoral. BUt because it was prone to private entrepreneurship. Obviously the state was unable to finance porn movies.

But it does not mean there was no porn or prostitution in soviet union.

Did you sat down in the meetings where they banned pornography. If the state could finance a mission to study the solar system (try it - trust me its expensive) I am sure they would have had funds to get a few porno flicks running. Give credit where it is due. Dish it out, give us the statistics.
How many educated females in russia, versus what percentage were prostitutes. Ask your 'aakaa(master)' in riawand-punjab, they will have the statistics somewhere. Or they can call a few miles away in Hira mandi, some one will know something.

[Baygham]

Wow... what a sick thread! I'm in utter shock.

Wrayun, you keep saying that you know what atheism and secularism is, and then you make comments like this:



Does this not mean that atheists and secularist *by definition* would support pornography, vulgarity, and other things that are generally considered indecent in Pashtun culture and/or Islam?

Hence my conclusion: You don't know what secularism OR atheism is, and you have not studied either. You're only under the unjust assumption that anyone who does not believe in God will be XYZ, where XYZ = really bad, immoral, unethical, etc. (I know, I know - you keep saying you've never said anywhere that atheists are bad people or immoral and whatnot, but then what does the above quote mean?)

Qrratugai khore, I disagree.

It is not ignorance. Dont be naive, he fully understands the power of secularism, he is aware that such a state is not compatible with his masters wishes and he looses his priviledged state of a paid dalal.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

anyways, this whole debate is getting really repetitive

IF YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM, GO AHEAD

IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST THEN DO WHAT YOU WANT

IF YOU ARE A SECULARIST, THEN CONTINUE LIVING IN A SECULAR SOCIETY

IF YOU ARE A SHARIA ADVOCATE, GO TO AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY AND LIVE THERE

REGARDLESS OF YOUR OPINIONS, PAKHTUNS CANT AND WONT LIVE UNDER A SECULAR SYSTEM FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER 50 YEARS. SO SHARIA LOVERS, FEAR NOT. AND SECULARISTS, IF YOU ADVOCATE SECULARISM IN OUR AREAS NOW, YOURE A RETARD

manana

[Wrayun]

pornography was banned in all communist states, the family laws were some of the strongest in europe. No body is advocating communism, but whats your point. Your degenerate attempt at being relevant has obviously backfired. So kindly regress back to the cave you came out off.

I am not running in a popularity contest. Let it backfire. Only the meak and those who lack wisdom will take offense. It is easier to school little kids here about your concepts of secularism without receiving true criticism. What I suggest in this thread is a factual possibility i.e. someone will want to run the porn business in such a secular state. What do you suggest should be done about it? Are there going to be laws against? Do you support such laws?

Also, when you made that comment about gay-porn, for an atheist and secularist that was pretty much an homophobic statement. I didn't take offence to that because I do have gay friends, who very much enjoy gay porn in a secular state.

Now, I ask for your logical, rational, input. Remember you are better than a spitting mullah. You are educated, enlightened. Address me in a civilized manner.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Wrayun why do you assume that the atheists here are sex obcessed perverts when it's YOU who in almost every other post of yours brings up some sort of sexual perversion??? Over and over and over again. I have yet to see ANY athiest here on this forum bring up or suggest the filthy things you imply they all want to do. I do not like it when people insult Islam & I DO report that and I DO and will keep on complaining about your vile posts which offend me as a Muslim female. Why don't you try to prove your point without being a pervert!

How is it filthy? Isn't Prostitution legal in all secular countries? Isn't homosexuality legal in all secular countries? Secular countries are very modern and this is part of being modern. With man made laws comes in made man wishes. Who cares about what others think? No Family? No Friends? No beliefs? It's called the individualistic approach towards life, every man for himself, there is no GOD for you, no one to stop you. Every citizen has rights and you can't take it away from them even though it does more social harm than good.

It's funny how you call him a pervert, only if you could fathom the meaning behind the post. tsk tsk

sabak dha madrasee wai, para dha peesee wai,
janath ki ba ii zai nee, dhozakh ki ba gasee wai.

another favorite of mine is what some mullahs told poor folks, whose children were offered free scholarships in Russia to earn college degrees. They said that 'you are sending your sons to russia, but there they marry there sisters and when they come back they will ask for the sisters hand in marriage"

Dear Wrayun,

you are nothing but a paid mullahgootay, You will certianly shoot(with camera) your own mother for some petro dollars. If you are dead set on porn, I suggest look into 'gay porn' as you will find plenty of actors in your madrassah.

But if you insist on shooting heterosexual action, why not visit the many saudi brothels kept as harems by your masters. Or go to hira mundi and you will find nice punjabi dalals to fullfill any recruiting needs. They even keep plenty pashtoon girls, orphans and widowed, taken from earthquake and now flood savaged homes, to fullfill your masters needs.

Disgusting.

Hi there, my name is Wrayun. I am a Pukhtoon entrepreneur. I wish to inquire about this fantastic future secular state that some have proposed. According to some I don't know much about atheism or secularism. I probably don't, so here I am, all ears.

A buddy of mine tells me that pornographic smut is good business (even at times of great economic depression). He has heard a lot about our Pukhtoon women and their uncompromising exotic beauty. Scholars and orientalists alike have written about it. Our neighbors, friends and foes, tease their own women with praises for ours. This niche isn't explored, and due to the scarcity of authentic Pukhtoon flesh in the porn industry, we believe that this will be EPIC and totally CASH!

We hope to start our new porn production soon. With us is a handsome negriod performer (rumor is he is well endowed), anxious to be the first in the industry to participate in this one of a kind erotic adventure.

The title of our production: Zangli Apashi oh Mastay Peghlay

To the point: Do we (or will we) have the FREEDOM, in your (future) SECULAR STATE, to pursuit and explore our (such) entrepreneurial ambitions?



The following advertisement is paid for by happy secular Pukhtoon citizens:

ATTENTION: YOUNG secular Pukhtoon females! We are looking for qualifying participants. Pay is very good. We promise to make your intro into the business smooth and easy. Leave a reply if interested.

Note to admin/mods: There is no vulgarity here, and no bedouin prophet or sky-god insulted. Though, Spaggetti Monster can suck on some spicy kuftaz.

Make the first title : da Jungle padsha.

[Musafira]

Wrayun your thinking is very flawed if you think secularism always leads to pornography and other imoral things. If the people in a secular state oppose certain things they make laws forbidding those certain things. In the USA where each state, county and city has jurisdiction over certain laws the more conservative states, counties and cities DO ban things such as alcohol, gambling and the production or distribution of pornography in those particular places. From reading your posts it appears as if you think being in a secular society a person can do whatever they want and that is far from true.

[Wrayun]

Wow... what a sick thread! I'm in utter shock.

Wrayun, you keep saying that you know what atheism and secularism is, and then you make comments like this:



Does this not mean that atheists and secularist *by definition* would support pornography, vulgarity, and other things that are generally considered indecent in Pashtun culture and/or Islam?

Hence my conclusion: You don't know what secularism OR atheism is, and you have not studied either. You're only under the unjust assumption that anyone who does not believe in God will be XYZ, where XYZ = really bad, immoral, unethical, etc. (I know, I know - you keep saying you've never said anywhere that atheists are bad people or immoral and whatnot, but then what does the above quote mean?)

But you are okay with people insulting the Prophet of Islam, the Prophet of majority of the Pukhtoons who are Muslims because they are educated secularists or atheists and they have a point?

Why the double standards? I haven't insulted any ones mother (unlike secular, educated, atheist baygham), I haven't called anyone a dalal (unlike secular, educated, atheist baygham).

Be the MOD that you should be and stand up for my respect on this forum as a member instead of taking sides. Instead of taking time to reply to me, your job is to keep these forums clean and respectful.

I hope you don't take offense to this.

[Musafira]

How is it filthy? Isn't Prostitution legal in all secular countries? Isn't homosexuality legal in all secular countries? Secular countries are very modern and this is part of being modern. With man made laws comes in made man wishes. Who cares about what others think? No Family? No Friends? No beliefs? It's called the individualistic approach towards life, every man for himself, there is no GOD for you, no one to stop you. Every citizen has rights and you can't take it away from them even though it does more social harm than good.

It's funny how you call him a pervert, only if you could fathom the meaning behind the post. tsk tsk


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I don't know about every secular society so I can only answer for mine.

In my state all homosexual acts are considered crimes though people who willingly do them obviously don't go report them to the police. Most people in my state do not approve of homosexuality and you would NEVER see things like people do in San Francisco or other liberal American cities. Except for one place in Nevada I think prostitution is a crime in the USA.

Yes I called him that & as long as he keeps bringing up incest, adultery, prostitution, rape, pornography and using words best left to describe changing a light bulb I feel justified in doing so.