Secularism & Islam

[BehavedMaseed]

Don't worry about Christians and Jews, if you declared your stance in your own village publicly right now they won't let your build anything but a gravestone.

Typical Muslim threat of violence. No wonder nearly every educated person associates Islam,Muslims with Violence.

Is violence your answer to everything? Is this bedion Arab mentality virus so spread in your decisons and judgements?

Of course I would be killed over my stance in a Muslim country or village but its ironic that Muslims who will kill somebody over this stance will jump into containers just to taste the life of the secular west.

Such Hipocrasy.

Kind Regards

[Saifullah]

LOL

Muslim slaughter jews??? Tobah what a blind statement....I think its the other way round, muslims are slaughtered by jews, with tanks, fighter jets and high tech military...

The secularists are spreading their version of democracy 'by the sword'...look at the state they made Iraq and not to mention Afghanistan which has been flattened by secularists more than a dozen times, killing probably millions, not to mention using a nuclear bomb on a nation. You secularist sure are peaceful people who drop flowers on people...are you a joke or something??

[Saifullah]

Just because secularist use modern guided missiles and weapons to kill 100 times more people than an 'extremist' muslim who might go on the rampage...doesn't mean they are doing better than an extremist, in fact they are doing worse obviously.

[شمله ور خراساني]

What rights does Islam give to relgionous minorities?

almost the same rights as the muslim majority. Except the fact that they are prohibited from preaching their religion to the muslims. And of course, they are barred from becoming rulers.

To pay a tax to be non muslim? how is this called equality, if in the west they put taxes on muslims only wud you like this?

Muslims pay same tax in Western countries. Non-Muslims pay less tax than the Muslims in a Shari'i society. And they can opt for not paying tax if they are willing to serve in the Muslim army.

In a secular society, there is no way you can pay less tax because of your religious beliefs. Or to opt to pay no tax if you choose to fight for the secular society.

Secondly what rights do Muslims give to relgionous minroties when they cant even build their own places of worship but Muslims in the west who live in Secular countries are allowed to build their own places of worship?

They are not allowed to spread a religion which is false. Since all other religions are false why allow falsehood to be spread?

and Saudi Arabia follows Shariat laws and most of those they torture is due to threats towards their wahabism.

No. They are tortured because they want the king to remove un-islamic laws and remove American armies from Saudi Arabia.

Why cant a Christian nor a Jew build their relgionous buildng in a Muslim land but Muslims can do it on there land? You see Secularism can resolve such things.

Secularists believe all religions are false and lies. So it doesn't make any difference which lie is spread.

Muslims only allow truth to be preached. Therefore other religions are prohibted from being propagated.

[akbarkhan]

Before you insult Secularism, please tell us all why most of you guys actually live in a secular country and feel safe and protected than being in some backward Muslim country?

Kind Regards

Keep your 'kind regards' near your chest, you will need it.

I didn't know that secularism could be 'insulted'! ROFL

Show me a true Islamic country, I will move there!

[muhsina]

Mr Khurasani and Arabistani

Everyone here knows that you guys dont have the tolerance to co exist with a person of another sect leave alone a person of another religion. What good is your Islam if it does not give the right to a person to have an understanding of some metaphysical dogmas different than what you have learnt from your mullas and scholars.

Why does your cave mentality become a hinderance to present Islam as a tolerant religion which just invites other to its point of view with argument and leaves it to the decision and discretion of the addressee to accept or reject it,knowing that Islam does allow this in many of its teachings.

Why do you claim divinity by compelling others to accept the same meaning of some injunctions as you guys do.This is the same what Jews used to do when they blindly followed their so called Alims and the prophet of Islam criticised it by saying that Jews used to consider their scholars as gods because they used to accept their claims of legal and and illegal [halal and haram] as the final word - a discretion which should have been given only to the decree of god.

Dont be the gods of Afghans and just believe firmly what you consider right without interfering into the affairs of others or that of state except by inviting them with love and argument.

I can see the arrogance and attitude in almost all religeous people after they study the bedoin version of religion specially the wahabi version [not that I support the cultist version] which infact might be an expression of their hidden inferiority complex .

[Michin Khel]

Mr Khurasani and Arabistani

Everyone here knows that you guys dont have the tolerance to co exist with a person of another sect leave alone a person of another religion. What good is your Islam if it does not give the right to a person to have an understanding of some metaphysical dogmas different than what you have learnt from your mullas and scholars.

Why does your cave mentality become a hinderance to present Islam as a tolerant religion which just invites other to its point of view with argument and leaves it to the decision and discretion of the addressee to accept or reject it,knowing that Islam does allow this in many of its teachings.

Why do you claim divinity by compelling others to accept the same meaning of some injunctions as you guys do.This is the same what Jews used to do when they blindly followed their so called Alims and the prophet of Islam criticised it by saying that Jews used to consider their scholars as gods because they used to accept their claims of legal and and illegal [halal and haram] as the final word - a discretion which should have been given only to the decree of god.

Dont be the gods of Afghans and just believe firmly what you consider right without interfering into the affairs of others or that of state except by inviting them with love and argument.

I can see the arrogance and attitude in almost all religeous people after they study the bedoin version of religion specially the wahabi version [not that I support the cultist version] which infact might be an expression of their hidden inferiority complex .

Do you consider yourself muslim?

[muhsina]

Luffy

Religion is a private and personal affair and hence none of your freaking business.
I gave the arguments referring to the Arab sources as the nuerons of many morons get activated by these historic nostalgic stories [Asateerul Awaleen].

[Saifullah]

People who do not claim to be a muslim, obviously are not muslims because that is not a personal affair, every muslim wants to show he/she is muslim, just like when a person converts to Islam you always hear about it and u never hear them say its a personal matter

[BehavedMaseed]

Luffy

Religion is a private and personal affair and hence none of your freaking business.
I gave the arguments referring to the Arab sources as the nuerons of many morons get activated by these historic nostalgic stories [Asateerul Awaleen].

I am very amazed at your level of knowledge for a female. Very shocking and impressive. What do you major in? you seem very bright and intelligent. I wish I could be like LZ and present my arguement like him. I would love it if you could teach me.

Very Nice Kind Regards

[Michin Khel]

Luffy

Religion is a private and personal affair and hence none of your freaking business.
I gave the arguments referring to the Arab sources as the nuerons of many morons get activated by these historic nostalgic stories [Asateerul Awaleen].

my dear hindkowan sister,
I am a tablighi and i consider it as my duty to send message of hidayat to unguided misiles like you who have lost track of islam. You are calling shimlawar as arabistani while your name muhsina is arabic, why such contradiction.

[Saifullah]

These people are said to have intellect? Because they disbelieve and just come out with ridiculous statements which have nothing to do with the discussion.

[JAMALUDEEN]

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[Saifullah]

Look at this muhsina bibi, starts a discussion by thinking she is a clown..

Dear khurasani and arabistani..is that supposed to be funny? lol

Cave maintality?? Again somebody without intellect wishes to use phrases like this, it reminds me of George Bush when he said we will smoke them out of their caves...

Bedouin, wahabi and the usual robotic replies of people who lack intellect. Maseed i do not even want to start on him he is a lost cause

Why should we go into discussion with such people when they have the least amount of intellect to even figure of the purpose of life. Forget talking about even Islam, just ordinary human thought is what they are lacking. That which the Quran calls all human beings to do, to think, to look, to observe the creation! Quran never came down with one page saying do this and do that. It asks human beings to use their brain, which is what secularists boast about but they do not follow themselves.

[JAMALUDEEN]

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