Secularism & Islam

[muhsina]

Saifullah and Jamal deen kaka

Luffy atleast understand 10 percent of what I said between the lines despite belonging to the group of stereotype clones called Tableeghi Jummat.

In your case your inability to understand what is being said compells you to convince yourself and others belonging to the same "intellectual level", that there is no argument. While it is an established fact that the ignorance about something does not necessarily and sufficiently proves its non existence.

For example I called Sangar as Khurasani and Akbar as Arabistani while your ingenious speculation convinced you about something totally alien to what I said.

Let me get back to you about your ontological misconceptions in a moment.

[JAMALUDEEN]

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[muhsina]

my dear hindkowan sister,
I am a tablighi and i consider it as my duty to send message of hidayat to unguided misiles like you who have lost track of islam. You are calling shimlawar as arabistani while your name muhsina is arabic, why such contradiction.

All the Tablighis after going for an excursion of 3 or more days and enjoying snoaring while sitting awake listening to the hypnotic speeches which do not concern the upper storeys of the fascinated listeners,assume the responsibility of Gabriel and start conveying messages of "Hidayat" to those who have not gone through the unpleasant experience of wasting three or more days in the "Path to Divine Guidance".

However I do not have much objection on that. My real objection is that all what you have learnt from these excursions lead you to the peonification of the military elite of Pakistan and you never talk about raising a voice for the oppressed or the deprived masses of your Pakhtun nation which you pretend to be a part of. Why is all your guidance for the benefit of the oppressors and no part of it is for the suppressed. Ever thought of it?

No Regards

[muhsina]

Look at this muhsina bibi, starts a discussion by thinking she is a clown..

Dear khurasani and arabistani..is that supposed to be funny? lol

Cave maintality?? Again somebody without intellect wishes to use phrases like this, it reminds me of George Bush when he said we will smoke them out of their caves...

Bedouin, wahabi and the usual robotic replies of people who lack intellect. Maseed i do not even want to start on him he is a lost cause

Why should we go into discussion with such people when they have the least amount of intellect to even figure of the purpose of life. Forget talking about even Islam, just ordinary human thought is what they are lacking. That which the Quran calls all human beings to do, to think, to look, to observe the creation! Quran never came down with one page saying do this and do that. It asks human beings to use their brain, which is what secularists boast about but they do not follow themselves.

Saifullah

It is you who is neither understanding Quran nor believing it in its essence by taking the word of a certain mulla as the final word and leaving no space for any other interpretation or meaning and I dont claim as you do in your immaturity. I will prove it to you.

Tell me:

What is the concept of God in Quran or Islam and dont paste any Youtube speech of Zakir Naik or any other godfather but tell me from your own intellect?

[Michin Khel]

@Muhsina

If my people are not ready to raise their voice against injustic then what a single person like me can do to awake them. Pashtuns are so much integrated into pakistan that it is very hard to convince them for any separatist movement even if they are bombarded. They are also aware of the fact that if they will form their own state then it will be taken over by talibans.

[muhsina]

Luffy

Do you expect that a drowning person who is losing his or her life due to the criminal negligence of the civil bureaucracy and technocrats and under the gun of your military will raise their voice? They are masses; if they could do this what the hell did you get all this education for?

Do you expect those who have been indoctrinated with a bao-version of religion by your mulla [who mostly are state backed] , on whom Taliban rule has been imposed by Pakistani intelligence agencies, who have been deprived of even their name for 63 years, whose resource have been exploited during all these years and who have been indoctrinated with a false version of history and politics will be able to raise their voice? Do you really see all the bad in your own people like those who sell their souls to the power elite of Pakistan and you see no indifference from those in the higher echelons of power?

How can you keep praying more than five times a day including Ishraq and this and that while your sisters, brothers, mothers and elders are dying and drowning and being humiliated?

How can you convince yourself that you are just one person and can’t do anything? All those awareness movements and achievement started with but a person. Gandhi was one person, Bacha khan was one person, Ahmed shah baba was one and so were all those sons of soil.
Do you not exist as a human entity? If every nation was so self aware why the hell were all these movements needed?

Think some time while you are introspecting in solitude.

[Michin Khel]

I am doing MBBS, my main job will be to treat people. I am from middle class family so in future my main priority will be financially stabilizing my family. I will wait for each patient in clinic for 100 or 200 rupees. I am sensing that my whole life will be spent like this, from where i will get the stamina to start practical movement for rights of pashtuns?
I will not have time even for writing any book about pashtuns.

life is tough !

[akbarkhan]

For example I called Sangar as Khurasani and Akbar as Arabistani

I didn't even realize you were referring to me. Anyhow, what seems to be the cause of your frustration?

[akbarkhan]

Saifullah

It is you who is neither understanding Quran nor believing it in its essence by taking the word of a certain mulla as the final word and leaving no space for any other interpretation or meaning and I dont claim as you do in your immaturity. I will prove it to you.

Tell me:

What is the concept of God in Quran or Islam and dont paste any Youtube speech of Zakir Naik or any other godfather but tell me from your own intellect?

You one of those chicks who seeks solace in generalizing all practicing Muslims as typical village idiots? Must I stir a couple of those arrogant neurons?

The concept of God in Quran is simple.

1. God is eternal. If we assume anything save this, then this will denote that God has a period of non-existence, and anything whose existence is preceed by a period of non-existence is an incident and needs a cause to endow it with existence. If Allah swt was not eternal, it would have needed an originator, and this is impossible because Allah swt is self-existent; it needs no cause to endow it with existence and is the originator of all existing things.

2. Non-existence can never befall God, otherwise it would be deprived of itself and this is impossible.

3. God is not composed of parts, because if this were the case He would have required the precendent presence of these parts, which have an independent existence. Hence He would have needed the existence of something else, and the existence of God is not due to any cause save itself.

4. God is not divisible, because if He had been divisible the result would have been a number of partitions, consequently a number of existing things liable to non-existence or composition, and this is impossible as I have previously mentioned.

5. God is omnisient, His all-inclusive knowledge precede the acknowledged so that the acknowledged coincides with the eternal knowledge of God.

6. God has an overwhelming will and absolute freedom of choice, as all the possible things exist at a certain time and according to certain characteristics, and it could have been otherwise. Therefore they exist according to the eternal will of their originator and creator.

7. God has no limited essence, because every essence is restricted to limited space in which it muyst either be still or moving; both stillness and motion are incidental, and anything associated with an incident is itself incidental.

So in short, God could only be one, having no partner, unique with no equals, self-existent having no opponent. He is the first with no beginning, subsisting without cessation, eternal and everlasting with no end. He is not a formed body and He does not resemble bodies in form or nature.

Now go play with your dolls.

[muhsina]

Akbar mian sb

Most of these are your logical speculations and not something from Quran ofcourse. Its a copy paste from some Wahabi Khutba. You only have Surah Ikhlas but it talks about some properties of god not the logical fallacies which you are associating with god using the argument of your arab "Biladushami" demagogues.

Using that way any concept can be intellectualised. This is what the absurd " Ilmul Kalam" is all about.

Though all these assumptions are subject to debate ,however you see these properties are subject to faith and not proof. If there is no god then all your self assigned properties to god will be in vain.

So are you sure about his existence in the first place ?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Akbar mian sb

Most of these are your logical speculations and not something from Quran ofcourse. Its a copy paste from some Wahabi Khutba. You only have Surah Ikhlas but it talks about some properties of god not the logical fallacies which you are associating with god using the argument of your arab "Biladushami" demagogues.

Using that way any concept can be intellectualised. This is what the absurd " Ilmul Kalam" is all about.

Though all these assumptions are subject to debate ,however you see these properties are subject to faith and not proof. If there is no god then all your self assigned properties to god will be in vain.

So are you sure about his existence in the first place ?

You are accusing him of being a wahabi and practicing ilmul kalam? LOL

[muhsina]

Sangar

Do you think the properties which he has attributed to god are in some Quranic Surah.. I wonder if the prophet had that much " faseeh wa Baleegh " idea about god. LOL

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar

Do you think the properties which he has attributed to god are in some Quranic Surah.. I wonder if the prophet had that much " faseeh wa Baleegh " idea about god. LOL

You are the one accusing him of wahhabism and Ilmul Kalam. You should explain how you can come up with such conclusion.

[akbarkhan]

Akbar mian sb

Most of these are your logical speculations and not something from Quran ofcourse. Its a copy paste from some Wahabi Khutba. You only have Surah Ikhlas but it talks about some properties of god not the logical fallacies which you are associating with god using the argument of your arab "Biladushami" demagogues.

Using that way any concept can be intellectualised. This is what the absurd " Ilmul Kalam" is all about.

Though all these assumptions are subject to debate ,however you see these properties are subject to faith and not proof. If there is no god then all your self assigned properties to god will be in vain.

So are you sure about his existence in the first place ?

Didn't I tell you to play with your dolls? Typical Ratibzadesque!

First, I am not a Wahabi, Salafi, Sufi, Deobandi etc etc. Secondly, it looks like you have debated with kids most of your life hence you assume everyone copies and pastes.

Your question concerned the concept of God according to Quran, hence I outlined the characteristics that best describe the concept of God according to our belief/Quran. Yes, of course these characteristic are subject to faith and belief, but if one reflects upon the universe; one would conclude that if there was/is a God then only with the characteristics described above would He have the capacity to be a God.

Today the world of science and microbiology are inclined towards to GD, the world of science is moving away from Darwinism even though the British establishment is constantly spinning the theory of evolution through multidisciplinary PR channels.

Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards explain the reasons behind the sudden surge towards GD with accurate and infallible scientific explanation. You will be surprised to find out that the authors themselves are atheists, infact in the last chapter of their book they state that clearly. However, there atheism does not stop from coming to some bright conclusions indicating that creationism is more realistic as compared to evolution.

If your question was not about the concept of God according to Quran, and was instead about me proving the existence of God then be advised that I am not in a position to provide you with empirical evidence apart from the entire universe or simple things such menstural cycles.

Surely, women of knowledge will ponder on the scientific prespective of their menstural cycles, without menstural cycle there would be no reproduction, no human race, is this incidental? Exactly how many things are incidental?

If everything is incidental and we have evoluted then why are you so concerned about Pashtun this and that? After all it should be the survival of the fittest, it is a dog eat dog world. Your Pashtun nationalism is rather ridiculous if your great x 100 grand father was a monkey.

And little girl next time don't resort to ad hominem and no true Scotsman if you want people to take your seriously!