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[BLS_1919v2.0]

Maseed before you throw paighour on Afghanistan,

ao da ta kama pa Shudu Ulambwalu munga ?

Zamaa ghum makawaaa. Che tsa mae owael nu mae owael. Nor staso khhwakhaa da che pa kam khoboona tha khushaala yae.

[BehavedMaseed]

Maseed before you throw paighour on Afghanistan, the responsibility to create Afghanistan and pashtunkhwa into pashtun states fall on us. Let us not get carried away. And please stop with afg vs pashtunkhwa..it is getting irritating. Both have a long way to go and a lot of dirt to wipe (mostly from themselves).

Dear BLS

People such as Fish are in big numbers in Afghanistan. Do you want us to step on a trap so these guys will abuse and misuse us?

Or wil you tolarate it and let us be man handled by a Afghanistan dominated by a Minority such as Tajiks?

Fish made his point very clear to Pashtuns in Pakhtunkhwa, they blaime us for all their problems ignoring the fact that we opened our arms to them during the soviet war for which they allowed Pakistan to create and put them into this situation.

Not just this, They blaime us for everything, even the raping of their women by tajiks. Ive seen it and heard it all before, I tried my best to accept this Loy Afghan fantasy but its not going to be true, its invalid, it will put Pashtuns into more bigger problems that we have in Pakistan.

Fish ignores the fact that his own Afghans came to Peshawer to form the Peshawer seven. They are Afghan Nationals not Pakistanis, and when they opened their arms to Pakistan, they started to turn on themselves which resulted in the creation of the Taliban movement.

He like other Afghans like him blaime us for everything ignoring the fact that every ruler of Afghanistan has never cared for Pashtuns in Pakhtunkhwa, they only care now because they tasted what tajiks think of them, they are controless of thier own country and their jihadis flock into Pakhtunkhwa which led people in Peshawer to ban their Mullahs from preaching.

What can you say about that BLS? Do you want to drag us into a bigger and deeper hole? You expect them to treat us equally and accept us with open arms?

Kind Regards

[Fish]

Pashtuns in those areas obviously will bear that scar considering that this was the policy of Britain vis a vis Afghanistan. They sold the land and it was further divided in such a way that it was neither within British India nor returned to Afghanistan. For that matter both the throne in Kabul and Britain double-played with the people in that region. If we are going to speak that truth, then speak it entirely. Don't half ass it. When Nadir Shah needed to secure his throne, it were these qibaeel people who did the job for him. When they needed troops in the third anglo-Afghan war, they made the bulk of the troops (this isn't to say ANA didn't, but more than half were from Pashtunkhwa). What happened then? They were still within the writ of British India.

When Pakistan was created and the Khudai Khidmathgars rejected the referendum, and opted for Pashtunistan what then? When Zahir Shah had the chance to to attack in 48, 65, 71 what then? The blame should be equally distributed. Don't act as if people east of the durand line didn't fight, they did and suffered a lot at the hands of Britain and then Pakistan. However, there were people like Hekmatyaar and Massoud who actively took ISI money and training to destabilize the same Sardar Daod. Faqir I ipi was fighting in waziristan, you know he was a great person to support, but what happened there? Zahir Shah himself was too weak to reclaim his territory. The one he owed to the people of Pashtunkhwa who suffered at the hands of Britain and those that helped his father gain the throne. So be fair when you mention Sardar daoud..he was idealistic but a foolish man politically. He tried to play both sides and then went to the same Pakistan to settle it. However, what was the point, when he was among the Pashtuns who bungled their only state?


Now I will be fair and now point the faults of Pashtunkhwa as well. They let a bunch of ISI come in and manipulate their society. They fought free fights for Pakistan on the basis of islam and hindu. Only to be humiliated by the same Pakistan. Even today some of them are showing respect to Pakistan. Now if this isn't the maqaam of sharm and daosee then I don't know what is? There were people like Babar, like Ghulam Ishaq khan, like Roedad khan that sold their pashto for Pakistan. Do you know where Roedad is? He is crying over this pakistan, even wrote a book about the screw up it turned out to be. And he was their pakistanae. Babar is a senile man and his legacy to his own people and moranae wathan is militants. Some even actively serve in their army...and are proud of it. Is it right? No. However don't shoulder the blame on one side. They salute jinnah, but his progeny openly kill Pashtuns in karachi and bombed them from hell and back in Pashtunkhwa. You know the count of blood? In karachi, one mqm = 80 pashtuns. When Tirah, dir and Mohmand were devastated by bombings (suicide and army), the Pak media were talking about sania mirza and Shoaib malik..that is the respect they have (or chowkidaar, naswarae, talib, smuggller). It is really funny some of them blame Afghanistan Pashtuns for the problems in peshawar, but when they cross into panjab or sindh people check their cars for drugs lolzz. And we all know how Swat IDPs were treated.

If Pashtuns on either side were worth half of all the merit they would have achieved a lot, but unfortunately and from this forum we can see certain people are more content in one- upping each other.

BTW Kunduz and shamaal don't lose out from Pashtunkhwa...if anything both gain a lot. Both politically, trade wise, and the vast amounts of resources that are available compensate for more than enough.

Dear BLS,

No doubt that Pashtuns on both side are at fault, but I will never appreciate the Pashtuns of Paksitan putting all the blame on Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

Today Pashtuns of Afghanistan have suffered more for the Pashtunistan cause. I disagree with your comment about Daud Khan and him being opportunist. He had nothing to gain from Pashtunistan, except to eventually loose all his power. As for Zahir Shah and Afghanistan attacking Pakistan. Afghanistan has never been in a good situation to attack Pakistan as Pakistan had always had Britian and USA on it's side to defend it. British always needed an excuse to attack Afghanistan and revenge it's defeat.

As for the Pashtuns of Pakistan helping Nadir Khan we know what happened afterwards in the Shamali plains. No need to go into that detail.

My main intention is directed towards the refugees of Afghanistan in Pakistan and their mistreatment in the hands of their own brothers.

Myself and other Afghans are aware of Pashtuns of Pakistan fighting in the first, second Anglo war and during the Soviets war. We appreciate that and have respect for them. But at the end they gave us Taliban and today they are giving us further misery.

A quick question brother, do you support unification of Afghanistan with Pashtunistan or a separate state?

[Fish]

Ha Ha Ha this is typical!

Let me remind you of your betraying Afghan rulers who firstly sold us to the British, then betrayed us again(faqir of ipi) and then you betrayed us again(amanullah) and then you betray us again(Daud). When times get hard you guys run away just as you have done throughout History.

and in response to your comment

"to solve problems of someone else who is the main supporter of the problems inside Afghanistan in the first place"

let me remind you buddy, that Waziristan is packed full of AFGHAN TALIBS, your brother haqqani is sat in Waziristan killing the people there and brainwashing them to fight in Afghanistan.

And as for your previous comment blaiming Pakistani Pashtuns about brainwashing Afghan Pashtuns Oh come on buddy

The Peshawer Seven were not educated in Pakhtunkhwa, They were educated in Afghanistan and Arab states.

Firstly you guys need to make Afghanistan a Pashtun state before you see any acceptance from us, other than that you can live your whole lives being dominated by your own Minorities.

Kind Regards

Dear Maseed,

You don't make sense with your comments and you are blabbing your own version of history which has no credibility, but filled with nonsense.

[BehavedMaseed]

Dear BLS,

No doubt that Pashtuns on both side are at fault, but I will never appreciate the Pashtuns of Paksitan putting all the blame on Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

Today Pashtuns of Afghanistan have suffered more for the Pashtunistan cause. I disagree with your comment about Daud Khan and him being opportunist. He had nothing to gain from Pashtunistan, except to eventually loose all his power. As for Zahir Shah and Afghanistan attacking Pakistan. Afghanistan has never been in a good situation to attack Pakistan as Pakistan had always had Britian and USA on it's side to defend it. British always needed an excuse to attack Afghanistan and revenge it's defeat.

As for the Pashtuns of Pakistan helping Nadir Khan we know what happened afterwards in the Shamali plains. No need to go into that detail.

My main intention is directed towards the refugees of Afghanistan in Pakistan and their mistreatment in the hands of their own brothers.

Myself and other Afghans are aware of Pashtuns of Pakistan fighting in the first, second Anglo war and during the Soviets war. We appreciate that and have respect for them. But at the end they gave us Taliban and today they are giving us further misery.

A quick question brother, do you support unification of Afghanistan with Pashtunistan or a separate state?

Suffered more for the Pashtunistan cause?

Show me a Single movement leader of this Pashtunistan cause from Afghanistan besides Daud?

How did we give you Taliban? Are those Leaders of Taliban not from Afghanistan?

Is Mullah Omar, Mullah Burjen, Mullah Haqqani, Siraj Haqqani, Mullah Zia Rehman etc are they not Afghan Nationals?

Hahaha You had a big soviet union to help you fight Pakistan so dont make so many excuses. When the Pashtunistan Cause was strong you Afghans refused to help, You guys were well known to leave a fight when it got tough just as you sold us out to the British and signed the durrani agreement, where were the protests from Afghans over the Agreement? where was the Afghan Army when Pakistan went to war with India?

You could have got assisted by the Soviet Union with India to fight Pakistan but as usual you guys were speechless and avoided a fight.

Kind Regards

[Fish]

Ha Ha Ha this is typical!

Let me remind you of your betraying Afghan rulers who firstly sold us to the British, then betrayed us again(faqir of ipi) and then you betrayed us again(amanullah) and then you betray us again(Daud). When times get hard you guys run away just as you have done throughout History.

and in response to your comment

"to solve problems of someone else who is the main supporter of the problems inside Afghanistan in the first place"

let me remind you buddy, that Waziristan is packed full of AFGHAN TALIBS, your brother haqqani is sat in Waziristan killing the people there and brainwashing them to fight in Afghanistan.

And as for your previous comment blaiming Pakistani Pashtuns about brainwashing Afghan Pashtuns Oh come on buddy

The Peshawer Seven were not educated in Pakhtunkhwa, They were educated in Afghanistan and Arab states.

Firstly you guys need to make Afghanistan a Pashtun state before you see any acceptance from us, other than that you can live your whole lives being dominated by your own Minorities.

Kind Regards

When kids run out of logic they began childish talk for the sake of winning a lost arguement. Here we are not trying to win an arguement, but bringing forward facts. Those Afghan Talib were trained in Pakistan in Madrassahs. What Haqqani and others are doing there are the fault of your people for supporting them.

[BehavedMaseed]

Dear Maseed,

You don't make sense with your comments and you are blabbing your own version of history which has no credibility, but filled with nonsense.

So should we support your Tajik version of History?

When Mirza Ali Khan was fighting for a pashtunistan you guys blocked his supplies from germany and italy on the orders of the soviet union.

Amanullah supported the people of Waziristan to fight the British, but when the British shown their money you guys betrayed us and left us to fight the British alone.

You guys signed the Durrand line and accepted Hazaras more than Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa.

So yes, If you want to accept borders between us, then go ahead, but please take the 2/3 million of your Afghan citizens with you, and also take the truck load of Talibs with Afghan Nationality with you.

If you hate us so much we can hate too but dont run to us when your being bashed on your own land.

Sorry I mean not to offend.

I will provide sources of Afghan betrayal very soon.

Kind Regards

[BehavedMaseed]

When kids run out of logic they began childish talk for the sake of winning a lost arguement. Here we are not trying to win an arguement, but bringing forward facts. Those Afghan Talib were trained in Pakistan in Madrassahs. What Haqqani and others are doing there are the fault of your people for supporting them.

Fault of our people for supporting them?

Most of Haqqanis men are Afghans! so he is the son of your soil not Waziristans.

As I said before the root cause of all this started by Afghans called the Peshawer Seven.

So go blaime them not Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa.

Some times Afghans can be so ungrateful.

Go do something constructive, find those responsible for raping pashtun women, killing innocent people and putting Pashtuns in containers so they suffocate in your North Afghanistan instead of blaiming us for everything.

You turned on your own government, you turned on Daud yourself, you make your country weak for others to exploit.

When Daud Pushed for the Pashtunistan issue, it was Afghans such as Hekmatyar and Ahmad Shah Masood who fled and begged for Pakistans assistance to overthrow the Afghan government led by Daud.

they were sons of your soil not Pakhtunkhwa.

So re-read your own history first before you start making accusations.

Kind Regards

[Fish]

Suffered more for the Pashtunistan cause?

Show me a Single movement leader of this Pashtunistan cause from Afghanistan besides Daud?

How did we give you Taliban? Are those Leaders of Taliban not from Afghanistan?

Is Mullah Omar, Mullah Burjen, Mullah Haqqani, Siraj Haqqani, Mullah Zia Rehman etc are they not Afghan Nationals?

Hahaha You had a big soviet union to help you fight Pakistan so dont make so many excuses. When the Pashtunistan Cause was strong you Afghans refused to help, You guys were well known to leave a fight when it got tough just as you sold us out to the British and signed the durrani agreement, where were the protests from Afghans over the Agreement? where was the Afghan Army when Pakistan went to war with India?

You could have got assisted by the Soviet Union with India to fight Pakistan but as usual you guys were speechless and avoided a fight.

Kind Regards

Dear Maseed,

Today's Pakistan's foreign policy towards Afghanistan is due to Afghans refusal to recognize the Durand Line as Permenant border. Those Afghan leaders you are insulting as it is your nature fought for Pashtunistan cause, but bringing Afghanistan to this misery for the sake of you and others residing in Pakistan.

How many leaders of Pashtuns of Pakistan gave up their life for the cause of Pashtunistan? How many of those leaders were serious?

Afghans have never runaway from the battlefield, but have fought bravely. Today Afghanistan exists thanks to the bravery of Afghans.

It's ironic that you accuse Pashtuns of Afghanistan running away from the Battlefield, while you and others in Pakistan are conquered and used as second class citizens. Why is it that you can't fight for your own freedom? Are you awaiting for Afghans to come to your rescue? Sorry brother this will never happen. We witnessed your generosity and hospitality.

You need to have good knowledge of politics in order to understand the situation for each nation. Afghanistan may have had the Soviets and India on it's side, but Pakistan had British and USA on it's side. Compare Soviets to British and USA. India was nothing at the time and Soviets were in no position to go to war.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Dear BLS,

No doubt that Pashtuns on both side are at fault, but I will never appreciate the Pashtuns of Paksitan putting all the blame on Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

Today Pashtuns of Afghanistan have suffered more for the Pashtunistan cause. I disagree with your comment about Daud Khan and him being opportunist. He had nothing to gain from Pashtunistan, except to eventually loose all his power. As for Zahir Shah and Afghanistan attacking Pakistan. Afghanistan has never been in a good situation to attack Pakistan as Pakistan had always had Britian and USA on it's side to defend it. British always needed an excuse to attack Afghanistan and revenge it's defeat.

As for the Pashtuns of Pakistan helping Nadir Khan we know what happened afterwards in the Shamali plains. No need to go into that detail.

My main intention is directed towards the refugees of Afghanistan in Pakistan and their mistreatment in the hands of their own brothers.

Myself and other Afghans are aware of Pashtuns of Pakistan fighting in the first, second Anglo war and during the Soviets war. We appreciate that and have respect for them. But at the end they gave us Taliban and today they are giving us further misery.

A quick question brother, do you support unification of Afghanistan with Pashtunistan or a separate state?

I didn't say Daud khan was an oppurtunist I said he was politically stupid. And he had a lot to gain from Pashtunkhwa, lets be clear. The resources, manpower and strategic area alone compensate.
Oh and btw if Zahir shah couldn't do it, what makes you think the people in Pashtunkhwa could? Do weapons and money fall from the sky? Obviously they would need some sort of leverage to do this. If zahir couldnt how would faqir i ipi or Bacha Khan?
Refugees were mistreated but that is the case for all refugees. Whether those that were from tribal areas or Afghansitan felt the brunt of it in peshawar camps.

Taliban was a mixed pashtun entity that was taken advantage of by ISI and Americans. Be fair man, don't pin that one only on one area.

I support loy Afghanistan period. There is no point of a seperated pashtunistan from Afghanistan (or vice versa).

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Dear Maseed,

Today's Pakistan's foreign policy towards Afghanistan is due to Afghans refusal to recognize the Durand Line as Permenant border. Those Afghan leaders you are insulting as it is your nature fought for Pashtunistan cause, but bringing Afghanistan to this misery for the sake of you and others residing in Pakistan.

How many leaders of Pashtuns of Pakistan gave up their life for the cause of Pashtunistan? How many of those leaders were serious?

Afghans have never runaway from the battlefield, but have fought bravely. Today Afghanistan exists thanks to the bravery of Afghans.

It's ironic that you accuse Pashtuns of Afghanistan running away from the Battlefield, while you and others in Pakistan are conquered and used as second class citizens. Why is it that you can't fight for your own freedom? Are you awaiting for Afghans to come to your rescue? Sorry brother this will never happen. We witnessed your generosity and hospitality.

You need to have good knowledge of politics in order to understand the situation for each nation. Afghanistan may have had the Soviets and India on it's side, but Pakistan had British and USA on it's side. Compare Soviets to British and USA. India was nothing at the time and Soviets were in no position to go to war.

Actually the main reason for this militancy is to sideline any pashtun movements east of the durand line, and to counter India.

[Niazi]

This Pashtunistan or Loy Afghanistan will never happen because half Pakhtuns love too much Janah and Urdu,and the half love too much Farsi and farsiwans and a few in the between are there for highest bid to kill their own people for benefit of others,their love of others r too strong to scarified it for their own unity.,

[Michin Khel]

Son of Mountains. I am in this website and majority here are from Pakistan. All of them call Pashtunkhwa occupied Pakhtunkwa why? are they sell out? or are they traitors?

Dear hindu the few pakhtunkhwa's members you are talking of , are respectful citizens of westren countries. Their opinions and views are ofcourse different from that of common people of pakhtunkhwa.

[ijaz yousafzai]

This Pashtunistan or Loy Afghanistan will never happen because half Pakhtuns love too much Janah and Urdu,and the half love too much Farsi and farsiwans and a few in the between are there for highest bid to kill their own people for benefit of others,their love of others r too strong to scarified it for their own unity.,

This is a very straight forward and true statement. Kaash che daase na way!

[Michin Khel]

I will never side with Pashtunistan. I love my Afghanistan too much. My wardag tribe wont tolerate it.

Are you prince of your tribe?