I would like to join a Pashtun Nationalistic Party

[JAMALUDEEN]

Jamal,
What you fail to understand or realize in simpler terms is Nationalism does not lead to Racism. Pashtun Parties work for Pashtun rights and development. Obviously they would be least concerned with Dari but that does not mean they hate Dari.

Then why don't you call it, the "Muslim National Party" or "Afghan National Party".

lol

[khyaal]

There is no need of ethnic (ethnocentric) nationalism in the land of Pashtun/Afghans, i.e., Azad Afghanistan. We, Pashtuns/afghans in Lar Pakhtunkhwa should focus only on Pakistan where we have been traped through fakery and coercive tactics

[Palwasha]

Here, it isn't the comparison between religions. It is between religious approach and modern political thinking and struggle. If it were not for modern political struggle, you would not be concurring with na-Muharams on this forum because in Islam that is not allowed to women.

If you don't have an answer, or if you can't give a response, then just say so.

So then stop belittling Islam irrelevantly, what has the number of wives and slavery gotta do with this whole political party business?

It's all about intention Toramana. When it comes to religion or Islam, you really don't know what you're on about.

[Nokia_Apridy]

mara dalta ka spena khbra da di chay

khair da PUKHTUNKHWA Pukhtun oyjala shi khu Parsiwanu

ta ba na sorry incoecnt ta ba sa na way.........

[afghan]

the thread went into diffirent direction if its the wish of many lets be it. simple questions . during the present condition natural and political disasters how is it possible to create a new state?lets say its possible what realyy do we want, a greater afghanistan, pashtunistan or Loy pashtunkhwa? which one is the reality? if we talk about the unity of pashtun which one would be more beneficial to them? if we talk about pashtunistan we will be braeking two countries.
why cannt we be united in a country which already exists, if the majority of its citizens wish to change its name to pashtunistan , pashtunkhwah or anything else under true democratic governmentwill be possible. under demcratic rule the pashto should not be inforced upon any minorities. if its Loy Afghanistan its citizens should be called Afghans and their ethnicities should be respected, we should keep our identity as ethnic afghan and citizens afghans.

[BehavedMaseed]

Ijaz, would you murder innocent people, for your nation like Hitler did?

Dear Jamal.

I find it very amusing that you use Hitler to justify your opposition towards the Pashtun Nationalists. I suspect you are referring to his hatred towards Jews?

Let me counter this by saying that throughout your Islamic text books and Hadiths Ive never come across a single nice thing said about Jews. On Arab TV I remember Watching some Saudi Arab say on Judgement Day Jews will hide behind Trees and Angels will guide Muslims to them to slaughter the Jews.

Also you mention how we should be preferred to be a Muslim National Party? let me counter this by saying there are many Muslim National Parties in Pashtun region such as Hekmatyars group, Mullah Omars, Baitullahs, Mullah nazeers and your favourite Alqueda and have they done anything for Pashtuns besides working for the Interests of Arabs.

Pashtun Nationalism in essence has no colour code of conduct as Pashtuns are from all backgrounds and colours, We are oppressed by two people. They are the Farsizubans and Punjabizubans.

Islam was used but sadly it failed and a good example if when the Mujahideen turned on themselves for control of kabul.

I also wanted to give you a present just to counter what you said:-

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I do not see any Pashtun Nationalists using these placards in protest for unity of all Pashtuns.

Kind Regards

[Nokia_Apridy]

Woooooooooooooooooo Hitler Wror ma wos Ragluuuuuuuuuu

Mased Salloooooooooooooot rora chata wa mara zra ma darpsay chawd shu

Hela laram chay rogh jor ba wa

[BehavedMaseed]

Woooooooooooooooooo Hitler Wror ma wos Ragluuuuuuuuuu

Mased Salloooooooooooooot rora chata wa mara zra ma darpsay chawd shu

Hela laram chay rogh jor ba wa

Za day tu pura Ragalai yam! za gor yam chee tol Pukhtun yuu shee aow meez watan Loy Pakhtunkhwa wee.

Deera Manana

[Toramana]

I again say I wonder how Islmo-fascists, who day and night spread hatred against the rest of humanity and whose holy scriptures from heavens are filled with misanthropic teachings about followers of other religions e.g., yahood (Jews) wa hanood (Hindus) wa Nasara (christians, could point finger at nationalists.

Isn't it that religion-based identity/nationalism is inherently non-tolerant and hate-addled because of the unshakable belief of the followers of a religion of their religion to be the only true religion? Doesn't this take an extreme form in the case of Muslims who think that followers of all other religions should submit to the only true religion or pay jazya or face war?

What can be more racist than this?

Bravo, Masood, mouths of many would be shut now with what you quoted above.

[Toramana]

Why are you blaming Islam because a few of the billion followers committed wrong doings.

Why are you blaming a few nationlist I will respond. You are blaming Masood but what he said was just an individual act that don't apply to all.
Why are you pointing at Masood but then are forgetting Sangar, Guley, etc. who hate Shias, Ahmadis, Jews, etc. with a passion?

Islam teachea us peace and you are also taking Quranic ayaats out of context.

It is just an apologetic stance. Do you want me to quote the exact verses and holy sayings?

Nationalism eventually leads to racism.

Even here are you being hypocritic. Nationalism is good when it is used to promote "Afghan" nationalism but bad when is used to imply "Pashtun" nationalism.

Do you remember Maseed insulting Kandaharis a province of 1 million? A province of such honor with such great figures. He probably never met 5 kandaharis in his life yet you should have read some of the horrible things he wrote. Im not starting a fight here or anything its a point I am making with this very own PF which is dominated by nationalists.

Before he insulted Kandaharis (I don't agree with him on this), a number of members here insulted Masoods. He was targetted because he preferred Pashtun Nationalism over Afghan Nationalism.

[BehavedMaseed]

Find me one post in which somebody said we hate Maseeds or insulted Maseeds I challenge you. I even noticed he apologized for what he said so in that case its fine.

your problem is that you see things from one angle. No one here is being hypocritical. I have seen the nonsense of nationalists and these same nationalists told me what they where about when they took so long in helping flood victims. You can be nationalistic go ahead but dont insult something that is part of my Pashtun identity which is my Religion. I brought up the Maseed case cause it was proof. Admin Khan deleted most of the insults but in short he insulted everybody in Afghanistan. Timbaktu is my witness. But lets discuss this and not Maseed. After I saw his insults I refuse to speak about anything regarding him

Nazia you are a Taliban supporter

So i dont blaime you for hating on Pashtun Nationalists.

Secondly There are members here who insult Shias and call for the killings of AHmadis with supportive texts of their Islamic anciet history books.

I mean no offence to you but please lets have a fresh start ya.

I hate the enemies of Pashtuns and I wont accept the fact that Mullahs who were fed by General Zia and the Peshawer seven as representatives of Pashtuns.

Kind Regards

[BehavedMaseed]

I find it so amusing how they say Nationalism leads to Racism ignoring the fact that Hadith states and advises them to kill Jews and christians and do offensive jihad on peaceful non muslim lands.

Plus wont this Loy Afghan Campaign lead into Muslim lands owned by Punjabis and Pakistanis? will you not fight and kill them for the Afghan flag? but when it comes to Pashtun Nationalism they pull out the Racism card ignoring the fact that Pashtuns have no colour of skin they are all got their own unique features.

They gave the example of Hitler, I gave them in return the example of their hadiths that make hitler look like a pussy cat.

Kind Regards

[ijaz yousafzai]

Much before the French Revolution, Pakhtun stalwarts knew nationalism and used this tool against the usurpers successfully. Mirvais Neeka utilized the Pakhtun muscles against Gurgeen, a Safvi exponent and established a Hotaki soveriegnity in Kandahar. Behlol Lodhi used Pakhtun nationalism to perpetuate the Lodhi Dynasty in India, which lasted for generations, ultimately weakened by Ibrahim Lodhi due to his ill treatment of the Pakhtun elders. Behlol was famous in calling the Pakhtuns from Roh to visit India to get their share in power. Pakhtuns established their power in India due to Behlol's patronage. Later, Sher Shah Suri alighted to the zeenith and subdued the super power of the Moghals with the muscles of the Pakhtuns. Pir Rokhan and Khushal Baba endeavoured to unite the Pakhtun powers. Jalal ( Jalala) was appointed the king of the Pakhtuns. When Ahmad Shah Baba remembered the fancy of Pashtunkhwa on the majestic crown of Delhi, would you call him a racist?
Da Deli takht herawama che rayaad kram
Zma da khukale Pakhtunkhwa da Ghro saroona
Khushal Baba declared;
Bala hees leedale na shee pa da myanz ke
Ya Moghal la mayanza wrak ya Pashtoon khwar ( and many more yearnings!)
The people who relentlessly abuse " Pakhtun nationalism" on these pages, should come out boldly and labell all the aforementioned Pakhtun heroes as racist, etc, etc. Pakhtuns have been misled, mismerized and misused by the riligio-fanatics. The wounds are still bleeding, but the hypocrites are playing their game to blurr the Pakhtun vision. Pakhtuns need to feel and palp their selves, recognize their national might and consolidate it to achieve what is good for this Nation.

[ijaz yousafzai]

Ijaz I just have a question. IJAZAT RAKAYA?

Ijazat de.

[ijaz yousafzai]

These are individual reaction not based on sagacity and should not be generalized.As already pointed out on these pages, many Mullahs do not adjust with Yahood, Hanood and Nasaras, what will you call then Deen-i-Islam?