I would like to join a Pashtun Nationalistic Party

[Mayana]

I agree.


Mayana do you care for

A)Pashto
B) Pashtuns of Pakistan whom are our blood brothers
?

If yes how do you expect to revive Pashto and connect us back to our brothers without nationalism?

Nationalism in the very essence requires a nation to begin with. I am not a big fan of Pashtunistan and I'll say it openly and loudly.
It's all about Loy Afghanistan and you won't get very far with Pashtun nationalism in order to achieve Loy Afghanistan.

You know, we sit here and daAafghansiat pa Sar mu Seyasat rakhistalay day. Think about it, do you seriously think you can go to Afghanistan and tell the Pashtuns that you built them a new country and called it Pashtunistan and that they should all move there? Daghasi yao Kharr Lat ba darki chi bia ba pa Khob ki la da Pashtunistan num wanakhleh. Afghanistan da har Pashtun Nang au Namos day. They have all fought for what Afghanistan is today - nobody is gonna give it up. And this whole Pashtunistan business.. it really ain't happening, in my opinion. =/

[Zarawar]

lol

[khyaal]

I want the same thing.


What about Pashto?

How will you try to gain back our land from Pakistan?

I don't think these people know about politics on the ground. Religion has always been a ploy for achieving ulterior motives.

[شمله ور خراساني]

But you must know that interference in afghanistan had started long before the communists came to Afghanistan. In 1975 coup d'etat was planned from Pakistan through Gulbadin to overthrow Daud khan's government. Soviet's involvement was a trap for them to use Afghan land for that proxy war. Pakistan had a main role in arranging all this destroy afghanistan that reasons of which we all know very well.

This is a typical communist rhetoric.

Didn't Russia spread communist literature in schools and university campus in the 50's, 60's and 70's? Didn't Russia financially aid and support Daud's regime?

Weren't communist generals like Rafeh, Watanjar and Gulabzoy part of Daud's regime?

Afghans opposed the military being controled by communists. SO they started a rebelion against the regime which was supported by Communist Russia and manned by communist military.

So what that Brezhinski used the situation to trap USSR?

Afghans were fighting a communist army run by communist leaders. And The assessment of the mujahedeen back then was correct. Sooner or later the regime would turn into a communist regime. And thats exactly what happened.

It is somehow okay for communist traitors and sell outs to receive help from Russia but Afghans are not allowed to receive help from anyone else against those filthy kaafirs?

It makes allot of sense.

[khyaal]

our first and most important goal is to become a sovereing state. This requires removal of all foreign troops from Afghanistan. And their proxies. Once we are sovereign we can then demand reunification with pashtunkhwa.

How are we going to demand another piece of land when we do not have dominion over our own homes?

You get shot in your own house by americans. And nobody is going to prison for it. But at the same time you want to get pashtunkwha back?

you need to set your priorities straight and make a rational assement of the situation.

Removing ISAF forces at this stage will be equal to an open invitation to Pakistan/Punjab's rule over afghanistan.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I want the same thing.


What about Pashto?

How will you try to gain back our land from Pakistan?

what about pashto?

And how about regaining our land from AMerica first then worry about Pashtunkhwa?

Plus, who said Pashtunkhwa wants to reunite with a poor underdeveloped bankrupt and destroyed Afghanistan?

What do we have on offer?

Majority of Pashtuns live in Pakistan. Because Pakistan offers them jobs they cant find in Afhganistan.

So why would those people agree with reunification when we dont have a stable economy and governmetn that can support them?

YOu need to think further ahead and be rational. Don't let your emotions dictate your moves.

[Palwasha]

Be careful Shlombay wrora, if you want to help Afghanistan then there are more effective ways. Right now we need to supply food, aid and education. Forget a nationalist movement, lets look at priorities and the needs of the people.

Too much nationalism is something one should also try and avoid...

Prophet (SAW) said: "He is not one of us who calls for assabiyyah" (nationalism/tribalism), or who fights for assabiyyah, or who dies for assabiyyah." [Muslim and Bukhari]

Prophet (SAW) said,"Leave it (nationalism, racism, and patriotism), it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari]

[Zarawar]

what question?

[khyaal]

This is a typical communist rhetoric.

Didn't Russia spread communist literature in schools and university campus in the 50's, 60's and 70's? Didn't Russia financially aid and support Daud's regime?

Weren't communist generals like Rafeh, Watanjar and Gulabzoy part of Daud's regime?

Afghans opposed the military being controled by communists. SO they started a rebelion against the regime which was supported by Communist Russia and manned by communist military.

So what that Brezhinski used the situation to trap USSR?

Afghans were fighting a communist army run by communist leaders. And The assessment of the mujahedeen back then was correct. Sooner or later the regime would turn into a communist regime. And thats exactly what happened.

It is somehow okay for communist traitors and sell outs to receive help from Russia but Afghans are not allowed to receive help from anyone else against those filthy kaafirs?

It makes allot of sense.

Who were sell out could be judged from the outcome of that proxy war. That should have opened your eyes but it is so unfortunate that you people didn't learn anything from history.

[شمله ور خراساني]

The status if Pashto. Tajiks already have a country named after them. They are enjoying 2 countries which is unfair to us. We founded Afghanistan not them. They might have "SLIGHTLY" helped us but history books tell us Pashtuns are the BACKBONE of Afghanistan.

My question is what will you and your group do to improve Pashto? Or do you want us to start speaking Urdu and Arabic?

I agree with your 2nd part but if we stay quiet for too long and the old generation dies this new generation wont even consider you as a brother.

Try telling an American to add Canadians as a 51st state. They will fight you for even thinking of adding Canada because Canada as it is serves American interests.

Pakistan wants to use Afghanistan like how the USA uses Canada.

preservation of language or development of a language only becomes possible when there is a stable government that can provide stability for the development and progress of education.

And the rest of your story is just nonsense. You just repeat what those nationalist keep telling you about Pakistan, the big boogie man.

[khyaal]

It is ironical that the other day Sangar was ridiculing Afghan Army operation and now he says that ISAF forces should be removed from Afghanistan.

[شمله ور خراساني]

It is ironical that the other day Sangar was ridiculing Afghan Army operation and now he says that ISAF forces should be removed from Afghanistan.

you must be drunk. Where is the irnoy in that? Isaf or NATO and their dogs, the ANA and ANP are the same thing.

[khyaal]

you must be drunk. Where is the irnoy in that? Isaf or NATO and their dogs, the ANA and ANP are the same thing.

This is absurd. If they all are the same then how will you establish a new military for afghanistan and who will fund that project?

[Millatpal Noorzai]

"I am tall and strong as well"

I wonder how is your height and strength relevant to your advocacy for Pashtun rights

[شمله ور خراساني]

This is absurd. If they all are the same then how will you establish a new military for afghanistan and who will fund that project?

by the grace of allah