Overplaying

[Insight]

People believe US when they say they will stay BUT wish not to believe the US when they say they will leave.

You can't have it both ways.

Also suddenly the Kabul regime and ANA are very significant forces that can manage without US airpower and troops. I mean the ANA lol

[Insight]

The current trend of American influence declining won’t even be evident in practical terms until we are all dead or old and close to death. Why do you think the likes of Trump don’t care about climate change or old republican ideals like the economic deficit that none of them care about anymore after championing the new tax plan. They will be dead and gone when the consequences catch up, they are atheists and believe the dunya doesn’t matter after they are dead.

Most American troops today sit in their bases and do nothing, it’s no wonder why American casualties are close to nothing and ANA troops are losing men at an incredible rate, same as the Taliban. For several years now, American ground troops have been inconsequential to the war however it’s airpower that makes all the difference and will not change with even a small footprint on the ground.

You think that US-Taliban talks to end the war will conclude with a small US footprint?

You are aware that this has been the reason Taliban insurgency continued to fight since Karzai signed the US pact, and their stated reason for the continuation of it.

It requires you to also hold the idea that Trump Admin is asking Taliban insurgency to accept a US presence going against his own position too.

This has been tried before by the US for the last decade. Bush and Obama both tried it, but Trump is not trying it. He does not care about bases in Afghanistan

For the record. Trump Admin has made it very clear he wants all US troops home at the conclusion of an agreement with the Taliban

[randolph85]

You think that US-Taliban talks to end the war will conclude with a small US footprint?

You are aware that this has been the reason Taliban insurgency continued to fight since Karzai signed the US pact, and their stated reason for the continuation of it.

It requires you to also hold the idea that Trump Admin is asking Taliban insurgency to accept a US presence going against his own position too.

This has been tried before by the US for the last decade. Bush and Obama both tried it, but Trump is not trying it. He does not care about bases in Afghanistan

For the record. Trump Admin has made it very clear he wants all US troops home at the conclusion of an agreement with the Taliban

It also requires the dream world idea that the Taliban are not themselves politicians and don’t lie when it is convenient to maintain a public image. People lie, Afghans lie, Taliban lie. They are willing to disown and strip sanctuary to Al Qaeda (why not in 2001?) They lied about Mullah Omar being dead for at least a year. Their suicide attacks in a busy Kabul area that kill 86 foreigners and no civilians, etc..

It’s a lot easier to put these things in perspective when you understand that all these sides are bull****ters. It’s an even brighter perspective when like you, I believe the Talib war is legitimate against the foreigners. However I can’t unsee their stupidity and bull****.

“Street cred” can only get you so far. Jamiat, various “hezbs” were the Taliban of the 80s but their goodwill was dead after what happened in the civil war. Only the hardcore idiots are still ideologically attached to these movements.

[maneatinglizard]

It also requires the dream world idea that the Taliban are not themselves politicians and don’t lie when it is convenient to maintain a public image. People lie, Afghans lie, Taliban lie. They are willing to disown and strip sanctuary to Al Qaeda (why not in 2001?) They lied about Mullah Omar being dead for at least a year. Their suicide attacks in a busy Kabul area that kill 86 foreigners and no civilians, etc..

It’s a lot easier to put these things in perspective when you understand that all these sides are bull****ters. It’s an even brighter perspective when like you, I believe the Talib war is legitimate against the foreigners. However I can’t unsee their stupidity and bull****.

“Street cred” can only get you so far. Jamiat, various “hezbs” were the Taliban of the 80s but their goodwill was dead after what happened in the civil war. Only the hardcore idiots are still ideologically attached to these movements.

I don’t think they’ll actually do this, at least literally.

What they’ll probably do is integrate the al-Qaeda members that are loyal to them and influential (like al-Zawahiri) into the Taliban itself and have the rest move to Pakistan. Most, if not all, of al-Qaeda are already there and haven’t been in Afghanistan for years now anyway.

Also, while the US claims that the final agreement will force the Taliban to not provide sanctuary to any militant groups, I'm almost sure that in reality the US only expects them to leave their interests alone, and in fact they’ll likely encourage allowing certain militant groups to operate in the country. Uyghur independence groups, for example.

The US has realized that Russia and China are far realer threats to them than any Muslim terrorist group, and I suspect they’ll shift back towards trying to use Jihadis to fight their battles in those countries than fighting against them. If miltancy rises in Chechnya in the coming years, know that America is almost definitely involved.

[Pakhton]

DSM0305 wow nice propaganda like mexico will pay for the wall or we dont talk with terrorists yeah you dumb kuzz the usa preparing something for venezuela how can they hold themself in taliban land mordagow but its good that you sheeps believe this crap stay asleep you american ghulaman are soon worm food :D love to the taliban

[Pakhton]

I don’t think they’ll actually do this, at least literally.

What they’ll probably do is integrate the al-Qaeda members that are loyal to them and influential (like al-Zawahiri) into the Taliban itself and have the rest move to Pakistan. Most, if not all, of al-Qaeda are already there and haven’t been in Afghanistan for years now anyway.

Also, while the US claims that the final agreement will force the Taliban to not provide sanctuary to any militant groups, I'm almost sure that in reality the US only expects them to leave their interests alone, and in fact they’ll likely encourage allowing certain militant groups to operate in the country. Uyghur independence groups, for example.

The US has realized that Russia and China are far realer threats to them than any Muslim terrorist group, and I suspect they’ll shift back towards trying to use Jihadis to fight their battles in those countries than fighting against them. If miltancy rises in Chechnya in the coming years, know that America is almost definitely involved.

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[Firdousi]

I don’t think they’ll actually do this, at least literally.

What they’ll probably do is integrate the al-Qaeda members that are loyal to them and influential (like al-Zawahiri) into the Taliban itself and have the rest move to Pakistan. Most, if not all, of al-Qaeda are already there and haven’t been in Afghanistan for years now anyway.

Also, while the US claims that the final agreement will force the Taliban to not provide sanctuary to any militant groups, I'm almost sure that in reality the US only expects them to leave their interests alone, and in fact they’ll likely encourage allowing certain militant groups to operate in the country. Uyghur independence groups, for example.

The US has realized that Russia and China are far realer threats to them than any Muslim terrorist group, and I suspect they’ll shift back towards trying to use Jihadis to fight their battles in those countries than fighting against them. If miltancy rises in Chechnya in the coming years, know that America is almost definitely involved.

According to American sources, AQ members in Afg dont even reach 300. Most of Jihadis are busy right now in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Philippines, Yemen and the Sahel. They have lost interest in Central Asia.. for now. So its absurd to ask the Taliban to not to allow AQ in when they are not even in there in the first place.

Americans have pretty acknowledged that the Taliban are a nationalist Islamist movement, no different than other forces such as Hamas or Hezbollah. Their international agenda is almost non existent and most of them operate in a national and regional context. Sooner or later these movements will be acknowledged as "legitimate" along with the official nation-states.

Also as you pointed out USA is fed up with these endless asymmetric wars. American generals are eager to start an old and classical war against Russia or China. That type of war can be won. With great battles and strategy involved. Its not like a guerrilla war that the USA can neither win nor lose. Its just a waste of time, resources and endless source of frustration.

[Insight]

It also requires the dream world idea that the Taliban are not themselves politicians and don’t lie when it is convenient to maintain a public image. People lie, Afghans lie, Taliban lie. They are willing to disown and strip sanctuary to Al Qaeda (why not in 2001?) They lied about Mullah Omar being dead for at least a year. Their suicide attacks in a busy Kabul area that kill 86 foreigners and no civilians, etc..

It’s a lot easier to put these things in perspective when you understand that all these sides are bull****ters. It’s an even brighter perspective when like you, I believe the Talib war is legitimate against the foreigners. However I can’t unsee their stupidity and bull****.

“Street cred” can only get you so far. Jamiat, various “hezbs” were the Taliban of the 80s but their goodwill was dead after what happened in the civil war. Only the hardcore idiots are still ideologically attached to these movements.

Im suprised with you that after all this time you still resort to the "you support the Taliban line" simply because I am highlighting the probability of a US withdrawal

Your support for the continuation of the US war is a point you should clearly address. Im not interested in a circular argument with you where everything seems to point to the outcome you want to happen.


And now you state the Taliban sre politicians (thats news to me), and that they lie, and since they lie, they will 1) accept a small US presence and 2) join with the Kabul regime, undoing their position of the last 17 years.

This is stretching imagination far far beyond reality and does nothing but to give Pro-War/Kabul regime supporters a false sense of security- something that depends on the Taliban sudddenly accepting a US presence after 17 years of fighting against it.
Lol

[khushal]

Also as you pointed out USA is fed up with these endless asymmetric wars. American generals are eager to start an old and classical war against Russia or China. That type of war can be won. With great battles and strategy involved. Its not like a guerrilla war that the USA can neither win nor lose. Its just a waste of time, resources and endless source of frustration.

Defense corps love guerrilla movements since it sells arms and services at huge margins and the US gov is the best customer with endless money. But the public is getting tired of it.

China is very aggressively selling an image that it is no threat to anyone. They spend plenty of resources on soft power and its working. Markets are opening up to them and they buying assets left and right all over the world. The US is still stuck playing the old Brit game and using force to have access to markets. The world is changing where everyone is willing to open up, force is not needed. The US cant adapt, its infrastructure is built to keep the old system in play. Since China's infrastructure is new and is still being built, it can easily adapt to the changing world.
Just look at how Huawei has made the US nervous;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhRmC6QbL6c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUA76spIbWQ

https://www.zdnet.com/article/paranoia-will-destroy-you-why-chinese-tech-isnt-spying-on-us/

The US is still stuck in its old system, sell guns and create opiate addicts to sell drugs. They killing their own people and creating distrust all over the world forcing nations into Chinese arms. Its like the Ottomans who were stuck in their old system and couldn't properly industrialize to compete with Europeans.

[khushal]

Im suprised with you that after all this time you still resort to the "you support the Taliban line" simply because I am highlighting the probability of a US withdrawal

Your support for the continuation of the US war is a point you should clearly address. Im not interested in a circular argument with you where everything seems to point to the outcome you want to happen.
l

They support killing Afghan civilians because that's all the war is doing.

[maneatinglizard]

Defense corps love guerrilla movements since it sells arms and services at huge margins and the US gov is the best customer with endless money. But the public is getting tired of it.

China is very aggressively selling an image that it is no threat to anyone. They spend plenty of resources on soft power and its working. Markets are opening up to them and they buying assets left and right all over the world. The US is still stuck playing the old Brit game and using force to have access to markets. The world is changing where everyone is willing to open up, force is not needed. The US cant adapt, its infrastructure is built to keep the old system in play. Since China's infrastructure is new and is still being built, it can easily adapt to the changing world.
Just look at how Huawei has made the US nervous;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhRmC6QbL6c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUA76spIbWQ

https://www.zdnet.com/article/paranoia-will-destroy-you-why-chinese-tech-isnt-spying-on-us/

The US is still stuck in its old system, sell guns and create opiate addicts to sell drugs. They killing their own people and creating distrust all over the world forcing nations into Chinese arms. Its like the Ottomans who were stuck in their old system and couldn't properly industrialize to compete with Europeans.

China’s strategy only works as long as others let them though. Right now countries are falling for their money, but without the threat of force a large enough coalition could be built to stand up to predatory Chinese lending and nationalize the assets has helped to build. An individual country like Sri Lanka incant do that on its own, but the more places China tries to influence economically, the more they risk widespread backlash.

[DSM0305]

It kinda sad that Taliban supporters cant think rationale. If you guys opened your eyes for ones and actually comprehended what I written, then you will understand that I actually suggested the only way Taliban can win this war. That something you guys should be celebrating and taking notes, instead of projecting your instabilities.



To summarize it very shortly. What I said is that Taliban need to take the deal that is being offered. The deal wont get any better and it cant get any better. USA is offering to leave Afghanistan unconditional, something that never happened nor will happen in the future. Its one time deal. All the Taliban have to do, is that they talk to the government and make peace. And the government is quite flexible as well, so it is plain simply a deal that cannot get better. And I repeat, the US will never leave without a peace deal and if the Taliban become to arrogant and screw this offer, then they can wink bye bye to ever winning this war.
I haven't suggested in any of my comments that I want the US to stay. If you Taliban supporters actually could comprehend, then you will understand that I am suggesting the only way, that the US will leave. And I am suggesting it, because I am afraid the Taliban will screw it over and the US never leaves. So In actuality, the one who prevents the US ever leaving Afghanistan, is the Taliban supporters themselves.

[khushal]

China’s strategy only works as long as others let them though. Right now countries are falling for their money, but without the threat of force a large enough coalition could be built to stand up to predatory Chinese lending and nationalize the assets has helped to build. An individual country like Sri Lanka incant do that on its own, but the more places China tries to influence economically, the more they risk widespread backlash.

The risk for China as a bank(like any other bank) would be stability. As long as China invests without force, there should be no backlash. The only backlash would be towards their own governments if they make bad deals.

Under the Brit/US system, people blamed them for installing client regimes that made bad deals.

[khushal]

It kinda sad that Taliban supporters cant think rationale. If you guys opened your eyes for ones and actually comprehended what I written, then you will understand that I actually suggested the only way Taliban can win this war. That something you guys should be celebrating and taking notes, instead of projecting your instabilities.



To summarize it very shortly. What I said is that Taliban need to take the deal that is being offered. The deal wont get any better and it cant get any better. USA is offering to leave Afghanistan unconditional, something that never happened nor will happen in the future. Its one time deal. All the Taliban have to do, is that they talk to the government and make peace. And the government is quite flexible as well, so it is plain simply a deal that cannot get better. And I repeat, the US will never leave without a peace deal and if the Taliban become to arrogant and screw this offer, then they can wink bye bye to ever winning this war.
I haven't suggested in any of my comments that I want the US to stay. If you Taliban supporters actually could comprehend, then you will understand that I am suggesting the only way, that the US will leave. And I am suggesting it, because I am afraid the Taliban will screw it over and the US never leaves. So In actuality, the one who prevents the US ever leaving Afghanistan, is the Taliban supporters themselves.

You should call Khalilzad and tell him to convey your genius idea to them.



This is it guys, here is your chance. If you don't do it, we wont leave. Final answer. Just look at what happened to the Soviets. opps I shouldnt have brought that up. I mean look what happened to corvettes. ooof, that was a close one.

[DSM0305]

You should call Khalilzad and tell him to convey your genius idea to them.



This is it guys, here is your chance. If you don't do it, we wont leave. Final answer. Just look at what happened to the Soviets. opps I shouldnt have brought that up. I mean look what happened to corvettes. ooof, that was a close one.

Khushal jane qandulak, why should I call Khalizad. I should be calling Mullah Omar. Do you know how I can contact him? Is there a special number that I should be using to reach him ind... you know... the place he is.. or does the Mullahs have some special connection with him.


In all seriousness, people who don't understand that every situation and event is different, is certainly not worth wasting time with.