Why the USA Invaded Afghanistan

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

In another thread, there was some exchange happening about whether the U.S. has orchestrated and planned invading Afghanistan.

While it's true the level of strong verifiable evidence is scant. I believe that the U.S. were planning an invasion of Afghanistan. In fact, I believe the British, French, and other European nations have all had some segment of society that had intended ingressing into the region since they lost the Crusades.

I believe that the social and cultural elite are aware of the Mahdi and Masih and they want to sabotage or impede Muslims from acquiring the power of the Mahdi and Masih because it will be a global game changer.

I know this all sounds crackpot and to be honest my mental stability is questionable at times ...but more and more I feel the influence of the supernatural present in this world. I feel the events we witness have more supernatural relationship than we give credit for.

I can't accept fully rational or pragmatic justiications for events. There is more to what we see right now than just blind reaction to 3000 people dying.

[Insight]

In another thread, there was some exchange happening about whether the U.S. has orchestrated and planned invading Afghanistan.

While it's true the level of strong verifiable evidence is scant. I believe that the U.S. were planning an invasion of Afghanistan. In fact, I believe the British, French, and other European nations have all had some segment of society that had intended ingressing into the region since they lost the Crusades.

I believe that the social and cultural elite are aware of the Mahdi and Masih and they want to sabotage or impede Muslims from acquiring the power of the Mahdi and Masih because it will be a global game changer.

I know this all sounds crackpot and to be honest my mental stability is questionable at times ...but more and more I feel the influence of the supernatural present in this world. I feel the events we witness have more supernatural relationship than we give credit for.

I can't accept fully rational or pragmatic justiications for events. There is more to what we see right now than just blind reaction to 3000 people dying.

There were neocon plans for the oil pipeline in Afghanistan (UNOCAL Oil co). Remember Taliban reps visited Texas when Bush was a governor to discuss that. For Bush though, Iraq was always his main priority.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

They wouldn't need to invade Afghanistan for that though. Also the UNOCAL deal ended up going into a conjunction between governments of Turkmenistan and India

so it would make no sense to do this for the the profits to go elsewhere.

I'm sticking to my supernatural explanation :p

[BarakzaiAbdali]

In another thread, there was some exchange happening about whether the U.S. has orchestrated and planned invading Afghanistan.

While it's true the level of strong verifiable evidence is scant. I believe that the U.S. were planning an invasion of Afghanistan. In fact, I believe the British, French, and other European nations have all had some segment of society that had intended ingressing into the region since they lost the Crusades.

I believe that the social and cultural elite are aware of the Mahdi and Masih and they want to sabotage or impede Muslims from acquiring the power of the Mahdi and Masih because it will be a global game changer.

I know this all sounds crackpot and to be honest my mental stability is questionable at times ...but more and more I feel the influence of the supernatural present in this world. I feel the events we witness have more supernatural relationship than we give credit for.

I can't accept fully rational or pragmatic justiications for events. There is more to what we see right now than just blind reaction to 3000 people dying.

I think that its undeniable that the 3 powers - American + 5 eyes compatriots (Australia, Britain, etc.), Chinese, Russian see the globe as their chess board and everyone else gets screwed over by the games. Their defense industries and militaries, no doubt, were salivating for the chance to intervene:

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[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I think that its undeniable that the 3 powers - American + 5 eyes compatriots (Australia, Britain, etc.), Chinese, Russian see the globe as their chess board and everyone else gets screwed over by the games. Their defense industries and militaries, no doubt, were salivating for the chance to intervene:

A text you may like:

https://www.amazon.com/Prisoners-Geo...a-405698731085

Those are what I would label as the convergence of factors but the real underlying drive is this race to suppress the supernatural forces .....I believe it will happen in our lifetime.

[Firdousi]

In another thread, there was some exchange happening about whether the U.S. has orchestrated and planned invading Afghanistan.

While it's true the level of strong verifiable evidence is scant. I believe that the U.S. were planning an invasion of Afghanistan. In fact, I believe the British, French, and other European nations have all had some segment of society that had intended ingressing into the region since they lost the Crusades.

I believe that the social and cultural elite are aware of the Mahdi and Masih and they want to sabotage or impede Muslims from acquiring the power of the Mahdi and Masih because it will be a global game changer.

I know this all sounds crackpot and to be honest my mental stability is questionable at times ...but more and more I feel the influence of the supernatural present in this world. I feel the events we witness have more supernatural relationship than we give credit for.

I can't accept fully rational or pragmatic justiications for events. There is more to what we see right now than just blind reaction to 3000 people dying.

I dont believe in coincidences. Not in politics. The Crusade are a good example of it: although the excuse was taking back Jerusalem after Fatimids burned Jesus shrine, deep down we all know that the Catholic Church was looking for an outsider enemy. Europe had been at war for centuries since Roman "collapse" in 476. The Church remained as the only institution able to work and cooperate with a mishmash of weak principates, kingdoms and "militia diaboli", a bunch of barbaric thieves who spent their days bullying rural people but thanks to Church´s social engineering turned into "noble knights". Crusades started long before the First One was waged.

The failure of the Crusades always left a huge sense of humiliation in the Western world. Muslims were an expansionist civilization. They had sieged Europe for centuries. Christianity was easily erased in the Levant and Northern Africa. Muslims even raided Rome, conquered Sicilia, Spain and under the Ottomans they almost take Vienna twice. West wanted the revenge for centuries of defeats and humiliations. The Great Divergence gave them a good opportunity: thanks to better governance and superior technology, they easily defeated the Islamic world. Napoleon did with few hundreds soldiers what thousands of Crusaders failed to do: conquer Egypt.

Islamic world and the West have been historically enemies. Most of the Western elite believes this and I am starting to feel that a growing number of average Westerners are starting to believe in it as well. I dont really think its a revenge for Crusades for revenge was already taken few centuries ago. I believe its more the desire to keep Muslims down perpetually.

[Insight]

Those are what I would label as the convergence of factors but the real underlying drive is this race to suppress the supernatural forces .....I believe it will happen in our lifetime.

What do you mean by supernatural forces? Are you referring to jinn?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Islamic world and the West have been historically enemies. Most of the Western elite believes this and I am starting to feel that a growing number of average Westerners are starting to believe in it as well. I dont really think its a revenge for Crusades for revenge was already taken few centuries ago. I believe its more the desire to keep Muslims down perpetually.

See I don't want to color this in terms of East vs. West , Muslim vs. Non-Muslim or even "Good vs. Evil"

But rather I believe the the French, British and European Elites, experienced or discovered something in the Middle East during the crusades...and I don't even want to claim this has something to do with the Illuminati, though I'm sure it sounds that way. This is why the leaders of Egypt and Saudia cooperate with them

I believe that the Elite circles have access to arcane powers and are aware of the True Nature of Muhammad (Haqiqat Muhammadiyah) and realize that the arrival of Mahdi and Masih will lead to an end of the reign of power. They're trying to halt that however they can.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

What do you mean by supernatural forces? Are you referring to jinn?

No, I believe they have associations with certain leagues of Jinn ....but by supernatural force ...I mean Haqiqat-e-Muhammadiyah ...The reality of Muhammad's being i.e. RaHmat-e-'alaimin, these peopple thrive on turmoil and chaos, rife and hatred .....

once Mahdi and Masih return, they will restore justice and create peace for humankind, they don't want that.

[randolph85]

I don’t know about all that but while I do believe circumstances, economics, political interests and the rest factor into these wars and conflicts, the clash of civilizations is real.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I don’t know about all that but while I do believe circumstances, economics, political interests and the rest factor into these wars and conflicts, the clash of civilizations is real.

Everything I wrote is largely irrational and yet feels very real in a deep seated sense. I feel continually disoriented and flabbergasted by all these vibes and senses I experience ... it's a forboding feeling.

where the line between me being delusional or me somehow getting some information from some other source is hard for me to tell

[کیش]

Mahmoud is speaking facts! The world is revolving on the Imam Mahdi, and Jesus son of Mary (as) as well as the Dajjal.

Afghanistan is tied to this as the whole of Khorason will move to the Hijaz and give Bayah to the Imam, one of the first groups of people to do so. This is why Western countries went to war there. They know well the hadiths.

The same for the people of Iraq and Syria, the hadiths states the eminent saints of Syria and Iraq will declare Bayah to the Imam early on.

The Day of Judgement is being held back for the arrival and worldwide Justice of the Imam.

[Samandri]

Afghanistan is tied to this as the whole of Khorason will move to the Hijaz and give Bayah to the Imam, one of the first groups of people to do so. This is why Western countries went to war there. They know well the hadiths.

There is also a hadith that Dajjal will emerge in Khurasan, ""The Messenger of Allah told us: 'Dajjal will emerge in a land in the east called Khorasan, and will be followed by people with faces like hammered shields.'" Hadith - Book of Tribulations - Sunan Ibn Majah - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Also a big chunk of Khorasan is in Iran whose people are Shias. What are your thoughts about Shias of Khorasan?. And big chunk of Pashtun territory is not part of historical Khorasan.

The same for the people of Iraq and Syria, the hadiths states the eminent saints of Syria and Iraq will declare Bayah to the Imam early on.

The Day of Judgement is being held back for the arrival and worldwide Justice of the Imam.

So much focus on Imam Mehdi and so little attention to Jesus who has very high stature among prophets?. Its very obvious to me that Imam Mehdi is wishful creation of the imagination of Muslims of later times (most probably of Abbasid period). 'Jesus will pray behind Imam Mahdi'.....yea a 'Muslim nationalist' must have come up with that. Imam Mahdi is so important figure of end times yet he is not mentioned once in Quran. If you pay attention to Jesus and Dajjal prophecies, there is no need for any Imam Mahdi character. It has been inserted there by Muslim nationalists who were uncomfortable with the idea of "Christianity" figure stealing the show in the end times.

[Firdousi]

There is also a hadith that Dajjal will emerge in Khurasan, ""The Messenger of Allah told us: 'Dajjal will emerge in a land in the east called Khorasan, and will be followed by people with faces like hammered shields.'" Hadith - Book of Tribulations - Sunan Ibn Majah - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Also a big chunk of Khorasan is in Iran whose people are Shias. What are your thoughts about Shias of Khorasan?. And big chunk of Pashtun territory is not part of historical Khorasan.



So much focus on Imam Mehdi and so little attention to Jesus who has very high stature among prophets?. Its very obvious to me that Imam Mehdi is wishful creation of the imagination of Muslims of later times (most probably of Abbasid period). 'Jesus will pray behind Imam Mahdi'.....yea a 'Muslim nationalist' must have come up with that. Imam Mahdi is so important figure of end times yet he is not mentioned once in Quran. If you pay attention to Jesus and Dajjal prophecies, there is no need for any Imam Mahdi character. It has been inserted there by Muslim nationalists who were uncomfortable with the idea of "Christianity" figure stealing the show in the end times.

Most of those hadiths about "Black Banners from Khorasan" were forged during the Abbasid Revolution, when Khorasani forces led by Abu Muslim Khorasani and its "black-clothed" warriors toppled the Arabic Umayyad Caliphate. Those hadiths were forged for the glory of those warriors who ironically were later back-stabbed by the Abbasids too, leading to endless revolts until finally the Tahirid Dynasty got eastern Iran´s independence.

BTW I have been in Iranian Khorasan province and I must say that the Shia population lives mainly in the urban enclaves such as Mashhad and Neyshabur. These both cities were once Sunni cities no different than other Khorasani cities such as Herat or Balkh. Unfortunately the Safavid dynasty, probably the most disgusting thing ever happened to us, way worse than the Monghol invasion or Colonialism, changed everything. Still most of Iranian Khorasan remains Sunni. I have been to Tobrat-e Jam, Taybat, Birjand,.. and all these places are mainly Sunnis, people speak Herati Farsi and they even wear Afghan turbants. Even in Mashhad there is a huge Sunni minority of local Iranian Sunnis and Afghan Sunni refugees.

Iran, ironically, its Sunni on its borders. Iranian-Turkman, Iranian-Afghan, Iranian-Pakistani, Iranian-Turk, to a degree Iranian-Iraqi borders along with most of Khaleej are Sunni inhabited regions. This keeps the akhoonds scared as hell. They know those people along with some Sunni Persians in Khorasan, Shiraz (Ajamis), etc hate the regime and in case of foreign invasion they wont fight much for the evil regime.

[کیش]

There is also a hadith that Dajjal will emerge in Khurasan, ""The Messenger of Allah told us: 'Dajjal will emerge in a land in the east called Khorasan, and will be followed by people with faces like hammered shields.'" Hadith - Book of Tribulations - Sunan Ibn Majah - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Yes, the Dajjal will emerge from Khorasan. Emerge means to come out, appear from, pop up. Nothing about coming from, if that is what you are trying to say.

Also a big chunk of Khorasan is in Iran whose people are Shias. What are your thoughts about Shias of Khorasan?. And big chunk of Pashtun territory is not part of historical Khorasan.

The Imam Mahdi will unite the Muslim ummah under Ahluls Sunnah wal Jamaah

So much focus on Imam Mehdi and so little attention to Jesus who has very high stature among prophets?. Its very obvious to me that Imam Mehdi is wishful creation of the imagination of Muslims of later times (most probably of Abbasid period). 'Jesus will pray behind Imam Mahdi'.....yea a 'Muslim nationalist' must have come up with that. Imam Mahdi is so important figure of end times yet he is not mentioned once in Quran. If you pay attention to Jesus and Dajjal prophecies, there is no need for any Imam Mahdi character. It has been inserted there by Muslim nationalists who were uncomfortable with the idea of "Christianity" figure stealing the show in the end times.

The Hadith of Isa Bin Maryam (as) descension and prayer behind the Imam in the time of Fajr prayer is a Bukhari hadith. During this time, the Muslim ummah will be so small thay they would all be able to fit inside one masjid. During Isa Bin Maryam'a (as) second coming, his job is to kill the Dajjal and lead the ummah during Yajuj and Majuj's plundering of the Earth. Where's the "little attention"?

Imam Mahdi is mentioned in all six Canonical books of hadiths as well as Musnad Ahmed and Mustadrak Al-Hakim. If you think they're fabricated you're slipping towards kufr, disbelieve. You got any sources on your claims that the Abbassids intentonally forged saying of Allah's Messenger (Peace be upon him) which is the worst sin someone can commit.