Trumps wise insight on Afghanistan

[khushal]

Does anyone actually think Trump is competent here? Hopefully not.
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I dont think he is as stupid as the media portrays. If you think about it, he was the underdog and he beat all the republicans in the primaries and he blackmailed the republican leadership into choosing him or he would run as an independent assuring Clintons win. Then he campaigned pretty hard and beat Clinton and he was still the underdog.
He has scared the republican party leadership and forced some senior guys to quit. He may talk like an idiot but I think he knows what he is doing when it comes to beating people in the game.

It is true the liberal media beats him while they were kissing Obamas arse and the conservative media beat Obama while they were kissing Bush's arse which proves to us the media is biased. I noticed both the liberal media and the conservative media both went on the attack when the withdrawals were announced.

[khushal]

His administrstion and the Pentagon are trying to reverse and backpedal his decisions.

At this point, his decision still stands.

He is using the withdrawals as leverage to get his wall money. He announced it on his twitter feed without consulting anyone. He will backpedal if they give him the money.
The republican and democrats have an agreement to share the treasury on both MIC and social service industry dollar for dollar but he is trying to dismantle that whole apparatus which is extremely difficult. There are millions of people that are making easy money of this apparatus and they wont give it up without a fight.

[Firdousi]

Trump is not an idiot but an emotionally unstable person. He does not know nor he wants to learn basic politics. He is a hardcore businessman. Everything is about money. He couldnt care less about American soldiers dying oversees or about defeating terrorism. The main reason behind America engaging in endless wars its wasting money and not getting more money in return. Thats what makes him angry. Nothing else.

In general, although he makes some good points and to an extend I agree with him, he is making the USA weaker. He is destroying USA´s clout. The USA is doomed anyway: Liberals/Neocons will keep doing what the USA has been doing for decades, which is an exhausted way. Pseudoisolationalist people like Trump will do the same harm, because no matter what by withdrawing you are giving up on a global system that in general has benefited the USA (although rural America has been badly harmed). No matter what, the USA is doomed and the fall wont be pretty.

People like Trump emerge when empires start their decline: when the Roman Empire was facing rebellions, Atilla´s invasions and its economy and society were falling apart, the empire was "led" by Valentinian III, an useless spoiled "ruler" unable to rule. The last Ghaznawid king, Khosrow Malik, was begging when he was captured by Ghorids. The Ottoman empire was almost entirely ruled by incompetent sultans who allowed to caliphate to fall slowly apart. And so on. It happened over and over again. Its just the delusion of the Anglo race that makes him believe that there is something "exceptional" about the modern world and that we are living the "end of history" therefore the USA cant fail. But it will fail. Nothing has really changed.

[randolph85]

His administrstion and the Pentagon are trying to reverse and backpedal his decisions.

At this point, his decision still stands.

His decision stands like the Mexico wall still stands. As in Mexico isn’t directly paying for it anymore, we are getting the money from what we benefit from the new Nafta trade deal, and the wall might actually be more of a fence, and now I am now directly asking the house to approve tax money for the wall. Like, what?

Like Syria, the pullout is now not imminent, we haven’t completely destroyed Daesh yet so we may leave troops in the south, and we have to have agreements with Turkey now about Kurds. As for Afghanistan, they haven’t even mentioned anything about it since his drunk tweets, like he forgot.

Trump would make a good dictator but unfortunately for him, the system he operates in includes checks and balances on his power. Besides the tax overhaul bill which means I now get less money back at the end of the year, he has no wins so far. Now this was with his party in control of all branches of government, now that the dems have the house, the wins become less.

I will disagree with those saying he isn’t an idiot. I don’t know what goes on in his head so all I can do is judge him by how he presents himself to the public. He presents himself as a complete fool who happens to be emotionally unstable and has the demeanor of a 13 year old boy.

His beef with US wars is not that these are unnecessary endeavors that cost human lives and all this and that, it’s that Syria’s and Afghanistan’s neighbors should be paying for and fighting these wars, and the wars should be handed off to them.

Also, his core supporters don’t give a damn about US wars overseas, these are not issues to them.

[randolph85]

Politicians aren't historians. Many politicians don't really know what is going in the world or how we got here. They are just mostly good at lying and feeding BS to the people. The ones that runt eh departments are different people that are appointed. Trump is no politician, he is a business man so knowing nothing about history or what is going on in the World should be expected.

But his point is valid. Why is the US involved in Afghanistan when the US has no real interests there. Why are American Tax dollars being used for Russia's interest. The Soviet Union did break up because it went bankrupt from its war in Afghanistan and other foolish spending and he is telling the American people not to fall in the same trap.

Politicians aren’t historians however they are briefed on all policy issues, the history of these issues, and the past and present of US engagement of the current realities. There are people paid to do this, same as the people who write his speeches and translate foreign languages even if he doesn’t speak Arabic or whatever. When someone becomes the head of state of the most power nation on earth, it’s kind of expected that they become acquainted in the issues they make policies in.

See my last post regarding US involvement in war zones but let’s not pretend Trump cares about using American tax dollars wisely lol Look at his pointless increase to his military spending.

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His decision stands like the Mexico wall still stands. As in Mexico isn’t directly paying for it anymore, we are getting the money from what we benefit from the new Nafta trade deal, and the wall might actually be more of a fence, and now I am now directly asking the house to approve tax money for the wall. Like, what?

Like Syria, the pullout is now not imminent, we haven’t completely destroyed Daesh yet so we may leave troops in the south, and we have to have agreements with Turkey now about Kurds. As for Afghanistan, they haven’t even mentioned anything about it since his drunk tweets, like he forgot.

Trump would make a good dictator but unfortunately for him, the system he operates in includes checks and balances on his power. Besides the tax overhaul bill which means I now get less money back at the end of the year, he has no wins so far. Now this was with his party in control of all branches of government, now that the dems have the house, the wins become less.

I will disagree with those saying he isn’t an idiot. I don’t know what goes on in his head so all I can do is judge him by how he presents himself to the public. He presents himself as a complete fool who happens to be emotionally unstable and has the demeanor of a 13 year old boy.

His beef with US wars is not that these are unnecessary endeavors that cost human lives and all this and that, it’s that Syria’s and Afghanistan’s neighbors should be paying for and fighting these wars, and the wars should be handed off to them.

Also, his core supporters don’t give a damn about US wars overseas, these are not issues to them.

If Trump is really all hot air, then why is everyone including the military going crazy? Why are generals quitting if Trump's decisions carry no wieght? Is this all a drama?

If Trump was not a threat to the "checks and balances" then it would not make the news

His supporters dont care about the wars and thats why they are not bothered if he ends them.

By the way, I don't care about his reasons for ending the wars. I actually am quite impressed with how he is dressing his position up. Saying the Afghanistan is not America's problem-well thats what we have all been saying. I couldn't agree more and I could care less that he is not a humanitarian

[randolph85]

If Trump is really all hot air, then why is everyone including the military going crazy? Why are generals quitting if Trump's decisions carry no wieght? Is this all a drama?

If Trump was not a threat to the "checks and balances" then it would not make the news

His supporters dont care about the wars and thats why they are not bothered if he ends them.

By the way, I don't care about his reasons for ending the wars. I actually am quite impressed with how he is dressing his position up. Saying the Afghanistan is not America's problem-well thats what we have all been saying. I couldn't agree more and I could care less that he is not a humanitarian

Trump vs the checks and balances of government is great for tv drama. Whether it’s him trying to get policy passed by a republican house/senate or especially now with a dem house and rep senate. It’s basically reality tv. His unstableness is great for ratings. This is why he got so much more coverage than anyone else in the lead up to the election.

His supporters on that same note don’t care if he goes back on his word or starts more wars. Just means more “support our troops” ribbons on those cars we all want to subconsciously want run off the ****in road.

The problem with saying Afghanistan is not America’s problem is that America made it its problem for almost 2 decades now. Trying to make it Russia or Pakistan’s problem doesn’t help Afghanistan.

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Trump vs the checks and balances of government is great for tv drama. Whether it’s him trying to get policy passed by a republican house/senate or especially now with a dem house and rep senate. It’s basically reality tv. His unstableness is great for ratings. This is why he got so much more coverage than anyone else in the lead up to the election.

His supporters on that same note don’t care if he goes back on his word or starts more wars. Just means more “support our troops” ribbons on those cars we all want to subconsciously want run off the ****in road.

The problem with saying Afghanistan is not America’s problem is that America made it its problem for almost 2 decades now. Trying to make it Russia or Pakistan’s problem doesn’t help Afghanistan.

If US General Mattis, a man that has made millions of dollars in war money, takes Trump's withdrawal decisions seriously, I see no reason you, me, or anyone else should not take these decisions seriously. We don't know more than Mattis for sure.


Mattis is a credible figure. If he did not take this seriously, he would have stayed on and let these decisions pass because he would have known they would be reversed.

Instead, this warhawk neocon quit in anger lol

[khushal]

Politicians aren’t historians however they are briefed on all policy issues, the history of these issues, and the past and present of US engagement of the current realities. There are people paid to do this, same as the people who write his speeches and translate foreign languages even if he doesn’t speak Arabic or whatever. When someone becomes the head of state of the most power nation on earth, it’s kind of expected that they become acquainted in the issues they make policies in.

See my last post regarding US involvement in war zones but let’s not pretend Trump cares about using American tax dollars wisely lol Look at his pointless increase to his military spending.

His policies are control spending

[khushal]

The problem with saying Afghanistan is not America’s problem is that America made it its problem for almost 2 decades now. Trying to make it Russia or Pakistan’s problem doesn’t help Afghanistan.

Those are different people. You can't blame Merkel for what Hitler did.

[khushal]

Trump is not an idiot but an emotionally unstable person. He does not know nor he wants to learn basic politics. He is a hardcore businessman. Everything is about money. He couldnt care less about American soldiers dying oversees or about defeating terrorism. The main reason behind America engaging in endless wars its wasting money and not getting more money in return. Thats what makes him angry. Nothing else.

In general, although he makes some good points and to an extend I agree with him, he is making the USA weaker. He is destroying USA´s clout. The USA is doomed anyway: Liberals/Neocons will keep doing what the USA has been doing for decades, which is an exhausted way. Pseudoisolationalist people like Trump will do the same harm, because no matter what by withdrawing you are giving up on a global system that in general has benefited the USA (although rural America has been badly harmed). No matter what, the USA is doomed and the fall wont be pretty.

People like Trump emerge when empires start their decline: when the Roman Empire was facing rebellions, Atilla´s invasions and its economy and society were falling apart, the empire was "led" by Valentinian III, an useless spoiled "ruler" unable to rule. The last Ghaznawid king, Khosrow Malik, was begging when he was captured by Ghorids. The Ottoman empire was almost entirely ruled by incompetent sultans who allowed to caliphate to fall slowly apart. And so on. It happened over and over again. Its just the delusion of the Anglo race that makes him believe that there is something "exceptional" about the modern world and that we are living the "end of history" therefore the USA cant fail. But it will fail. Nothing has really changed.

Unstable people start wars not end them or try to end them. That's the power of media at work portraying people that start wars as stable, heroic and moral upstanding leaders and portraying the ones that try to end them as unstable idiots.
American has been on the decline before he became president. He is not the cause, he is more of a reaction to the cause and that is foolish spending on made up threats and other foolish immoral projects that has actually decayed society rather than uplift it. Americas influence in the World has been declining and will continue to decline with or without Trump but America wont disappear. It will still be a major power for some time.

The global system has not really benefitted USA, it has only benefitted the immoral elites pockets and not just Americans immoral elites but other immoral elites as well like the paki immoral elites and afghan immoral elites etc. And they use that wealth and power to suppress moral values for the immoral values that they are addicted to. The global system is sick.

[Firdousi]

Unstable people start wars not end them or try to end them. That's the power of media at work portraying people that start wars as stable, heroic and moral upstanding leaders and portraying the ones that try to end them as unstable idiots.
American has been on the decline before he became president. He is not the cause, he is more of a reaction to the cause and that is foolish spending on made up threats and other foolish immoral projects that has actually decayed society rather than uplift it. Americas influence in the World has been declining and will continue to decline with or without Trump but America wont disappear. It will still be a major power for some time.

The global system has not really benefitted USA, it has only benefitted the immoral elites pockets and not just Americans immoral elites but other immoral elites as well like the paki immoral elites and afghan immoral elites etc. And they use that wealth and power to suppress moral values for the immoral values that they are addicted to. The global system is sick.

Unstable people make poor decisions, say stupid stuff, disrespect their own allies, say a in the morning and z before going to sleep.. it has little or nothing to do with starting or ending wars.

Read my comment once again: I did not say Trump started the decline. I said that people like Trump are the logical side effect of the American decline which clearly started under Bush and Obama. Trump will put the last nail in the coffin.

One of the greatest privileges Americans have is that you can deny your own privileges. Very few people, except for Europeans perhaps, can afford this. Globalization has benefitted not just the elites but the average American. Thanks to the global system, Americans can travel to every corner of the world, you get cheap products and natural resources that allow you shallow and artificial way of life to continue, the pump of money into the American economy is constant, the way an American is treated abroad is way better than other nationalities, small American entrepreneurs can send their products to any country without almost tariffs and restrictions.. and so on.

Americans can afford denying all these and many other privileges because they live in an ignorant bubble. But once that bubble is gone, they will realize that their life quality will further decline without the empire. Because no matter what your current state is it can get even worse. This is just another privilege: that you feel oppressed and victimized without realizing that it can get even worse. After all, Americans are not supposed to suffer, right? More privilege for you.

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QUOTE=Firdousi;825441]Unstable people make poor decisions, say stupid stuff, disrespect their own allies, say a in the morning and z before going to sleep.. it has little or nothing to do with starting or ending wars.

Trump is unstable according to people who are opposed to his decisions which have been made consistently. A person may oppose him due to differences only. To say he is unstable would mean to suggest he keeps changing his positions on hot issues. This is just not true. The unstable label is a Establishment tactic to discredit him. People seem to forget he was elected to office. He has the right to carry out his pledges.

Read my comment once again: I did not say Trump started the decline. I said that people like Trump are the logical side effect of the American decline which clearly started under Bush and Obama. Trump will put the last nail in the coffin.

This ^ point is neither here nor there

One of the greatest privileges Americans have is that you can deny your own privileges. Very few people, except for Europeans perhaps, can afford this. Globalization has benefitted not just the elites but the average American. Thanks to the global system, Americans can travel to every corner of the world,

Most people in the world can travel the whole world.

you get cheap products and natural resources that allow you shallow and artificial way of life to continue, the pump of money into the American economy is constant

The whole Western world and most of the Eastern world not only get cheap products, they get to sell their products in the American market. Nations like China have immensely benefitted from this arrangement.


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the way an American is treated abroad is way better than other nationalities, small American entrepreneurs can send their products to any country without almost tariffs and restrictions.. and so on.

Americans can afford denying all these and many other privileges because they live in an ignorant bubble. But once that bubble is gone, they will realize that their life quality will further decline without the empire. Because no matter what your current state is it can get even worse. This is just another privilege: that you feel oppressed and victimized without realizing that it can get even worse. After all, Americans are not supposed to suffer, right? More privilege for you.

Americans are not supposed to suffer? Tell that to the Americans who live in rural and urban ghettos that can be found all over America. You have an unrealistic perception of America my friend. Unlike in Europe where there is social welfare, if you don't work in the US, you suffer or die.

The average American does not live like the Americans you see in Hollywood movies. They live paycheck to paycheck. They have phones and clothes that say "made in China." China and the EU have made billions out of trade deals with the US

[Firdousi]

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Trump is unstable according to people who are opposed to his decisions which have been made consistently. A person may oppose him due to differences only. To say he is unstable would mean to suggest he keeps changing his positions on hot issues. This is just not true. The unstable label is a Establishment tactic to discredit him. People seem to forget he was elected to office. He has the right to carry out his pledges.



This ^ point is neither here nor there

Most people in the world can travel the whole world.



The whole Western world and most of the Eastern world not only get cheap products, they get to sell their products in the American market. Nations like China have immensely benefitted from this arrangement.


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Americans are not supposed to suffer? Tell that to the Americans who live in rural and urban ghettos that can be found all over America. You have an unrealistic perception of America my friend. Unlike in Europe where there is social welfare, if you don't work in the US, you suffer or die.

The average American does not live like the Americans you see in Hollywood movies. They live paycheck to paycheck. They have phones and clothes that say "made in China." China and the EU have made billions out of trade deals with the US

Dont waste my time with your low IQ Pajeet logic and dont make me repeat myself. Go to an international airport and see if a Syrian guy can travel as freely as a Canadian and you will see. Americans are suffering because they are stupid. Those rural idi*ts consider social welfare as communism and socialism therefore they reject. Now they are barking against wars although they were praising their troops when they were killing poor Arab children. Now they are like "this system is bad, lets change it" lmao. These rural morons fought to create this system. Nobody really cares about the USA. Let them fight their own wars. I am actually having the best time watching Liberals and Pseudoconservatives fighting each other. I just try to stay away from their stupidity although its hard.

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Dont waste my time with your low IQ Pajeet logic and dont make me repeat myself. Go to an international airport and see if a Syrian guy can travel as freely as a Canadian and you will see. Americans are suffering because they are stupid

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I hear you use twitter and perhaps also facebook. Why did you deactivate your twitter? Wasting time? You also are typing away on some smart phone or laptop right now either using Windows or Microsft. All the aforementioned is innovation brought to you by some "stupid American." Who really are stupid? The people of the world wasting their precious time on it or the people who made it?

Those rural idi*ts consider social welfare as communism and socialism therefore they reject. Now they are barking against wars although they were praising their troops when they were killing poor Arab children.

Actually, the "rural idiots" are not barking against wars. Only Trump and his policy advocates like Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, and Sen. Rand Paul are.

Now they are like "this system is bad, lets change it"

As I said, that is only Trump.

lmao. These rural morons fought to create this system. Nobody really cares about the USA. Let them fight their own wars.

The "rural morons" are just average Americans trying to pay their bills. Throwing terms around doesn't prove a thing. Explain to me how the "rural morons" created a system which sees American tax payer money being blown overseas or how they agreed to a globalism which sees China making American products like the iphone, and GM making some of their cars in Mexico. Thats the work of the elite establishment not some "rural morons."

Scroll down to your own posts where you go on a rant about Trump disrespecting US allies and making US weaker. If nobody cares, then why are you talking?

I am actually having the best time watching Liberals and Pseudoconservatives fighting each other. I just try to stay away from their stupidity although its hard

Im happy that Mattis, a known MIC neocon warhawk resigned after Trump's withdrawal decisions. It shows how serious the decisions are that a pro-War defense secretary had to quit lol.