Obituary for Abdul Raziq

[Insight]

Taliban have neither

"Taliban have neither" what?

Another one of your vague statements without any context or facts.

What are you referring to?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

"Taliban have neither" what?

Another one of your vague statements without any context or facts.

What are you referring to?

The ability/know how to build infrastructure/functioning society nor the will to do so.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

you said they can build, your changing goal posts

yes "can" build ....please stop using terms I taught you incorrectly.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

they separated in 79 not long after Masoud separated, they were all rooted from the same group. Khallis was his own emir just like the others.

That's a divergent issue, and also I'm not sure of the factual basis of Massoud in Hezb i Islami [MENTION=1902]randolph85[/MENTION] is that correct?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

No man, once again it is clear you just argue and throw around statements for the simple sake of arguing. It is like talking to a child. Do you think this is funny?

Nice try at changing the topic, but no thanks. Back your claims up


YOU SAID THEY CAN BUILD THINGS. THEN WHAT HAVE THEY BUILT? WHOEVER YOU ARE REFERRING TO.

I never said you had to argue it, I'm pretty certain of the Taliban's inadequacies. If you felt you needed to cast doubt on it, it means you responded out of a feeling of defensiveness.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You said at least they can build things. Give me your sources

It's pretty clear they can build things if they wanted to.

[Insight]

I never said you had to argue it, I'm pretty certain of the Taliban's inadequacies. If you felt you needed to cast doubt on it, it means you responded out of a feeling of defensiveness.

Second act: once you are caught or trapped by your own making, you start with ad hominem attacks. Im being defensivene by asking you to back you statements up.


You said at least they can build things, give me your examples

[Insight]

It's pretty clear they can build things if they wanted to.

You said at least they can build things. Give me your examples or sources.

If you can not do that then please stop wasting my time arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You said at least they can build things. Give me your examples or sources.

If you can not do that then please stop wasting my time arguing for the sake of arguing.

If you're seriously asking me these questions; you're wasting your own time. No one asked you to respond to my statements. You came to me.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Second act: once you are caught or trapped by your own making, you start with ad hominem attacks. Im being defensivene by asking you to back you statements up.


You said at least they can build things, give me your examples

That's all in your own head, you're fighting a battle you created.Like other Talib apologists, you parrot phrases I've used, just incorrectly.

[maneatinglizard]

Arguing over which “side” is better able to build infrastructure and the like is pointless because neither side actually does any of that. Regardless of who runs Afghanistan, the trained technicians and engineers that actually plan, design, and build infrastructure would be the same. Unless the people doing all of that are foreigners, in which case we’re screwed either way (but I don’t believe this is the case).

If the Taliban took over, they’d have the same group of engineers and technicians to run the day to day functions of the government that Ghani’s regime does. It’s not like they’d just kick out the experts and replace them with illiterate villagers lol.

The New York Times wrote a detailed piece that looked into the way ISIS governed, and what they found was that they basically took all the bureaucrats that were already running the government, kicked out the Shias, forced everyone to grow out their beards, and then let them do their jobs. What they also found out was the government was actually operating better under ISIS’ control than under the US backed government, despite the people actually doing the day to day work being the same.

Why? Because ISIS was not corrupt, unlike the US backed government, and they had a functional, consistent system of punishment for people who broke the rules.

We see a similar situation with the Taliban ruled areas of Afghanistan. They generally let the experts do their jobs (the one exception I’ve heard of is teachers, where they sometimes replace the government appointed teachers for their own people), but run the government more effectively because they’re not corrupt.

Why would anyone expect any different if the Taliban took over a major city like Kabul?

As for citing the Taliban’s inability to build anything during their rule, there’s a big difference between the country then and the country now. Afghanistan in the 90s was a destroyed country that had suffered an extreme loss of expertise over 15 years of war. No one would’ve been able to do much with the country in that state, because all the people who knew how to run important governmental functions had either died or fled the country. Today the country has plenty of bureaucrats, technicians, experts, etc.

So the real question should be, could the Taliban take over the country without causing another massive brain drain (whether that be due to a prolonged war, or people leaving the country because they don’t want to live under Taliban rule, or perhaps an economic collapse caused by the likely withdrawal of aid money from Western nations). Because without that happening, it’s hard to argue that the Taliban couldn’t run the country better than the current regime.

[Insight]

Arguing over which “side” is better able to build infrastructure and the like is pointless because neither side actually does any of that. Regardless of who runs Afghanistan, the trained technicians and engineers that actually plan, design, and build infrastructure would be the same. Unless the people doing all of that are foreigners, in which case we’re screwed either way (but I don’t believe this is the case).

If the Taliban took over, they’d have the same group of engineers and technicians to run the day to day functions of the government that Ghani’s regime does. It’s not like they’d just kick out the experts and replace them with illiterate villagers lol.

The New York Times wrote a detailed piece that looked into the way ISIS governed, and what they found was that they basically took all the bureaucrats that were already running the government, kicked out the Shias, forced everyone to grow out their beards, and then let them do their jobs. What they also found out was the government was actually operating better under ISIS’ control than under the US backed government, despite the people actually doing the day to day work being the same.

Why? Because ISIS was not corrupt, unlike the US backed government, and they had a functional, consistent system of punishment for people who broke the rules.

We see a similar situation with the Taliban ruled areas of Afghanistan. They generally let the experts do their jobs (the one exception I’ve heard of is teachers, where they sometimes replace the government appointed teachers for their own people), but run the government more effectively because they’re not corrupt.

Why would anyone expect any different if the Taliban took over a major city like Kabul?

As for citing the Taliban’s inability to build anything during their rule, there’s a big difference between the country then and the country now. Afghanistan in the 90s was a destroyed country that had suffered an extreme loss of expertise over 15 years of war. No one would’ve been able to do much with the country in that state, because all the people who knew how to run important governmental functions had either died or fled the country. Today the country has plenty of bureaucrats, technicians, experts, etc.

So the real question should be, could the Taliban take over the country without causing another massive brain drain (whether that be due to a prolonged war, or people leaving the country because they don’t want to live under Taliban rule, or perhaps an economic collapse caused by the likely withdrawal of aid money from Western nations). Because without that happening, it’s hard to argue that the Taliban couldn’t run the country better than the current regime.

Well the "building things" ability was introduced by Iblis in as his measure of support for the Kabul regime.

Fact is the Kabul regime is an occupation regime that serves no other purpose aside from being a front for the US/NATO war effort.

[Insight]

That's all in your own head, you're fighting a battle you created.Like other Talib apologists, you parrot phrases I've used, just incorrectly.

I ask you questions for frequently making claims without backing them up.
You can call me Taliban apologist(Paki, etc) or whatever else- a very common tact by a Kabul regime supporter used on anyone who is Anti-War

I understand you support the US military intervention and war in Afghanistan and the Kabul regime it props up.

[Insight]

If you're seriously asking me these questions; you're wasting your own time. No one asked you to respond to my statements. You came to me.

You said the they (Kabul regime not Martians in Kabul) can build things. I asked for examples. You claim you are not referring to Kabul regime specifically so who else are you talking about? People from Space?

[Insight]

If you're seriously asking me these questions; you're wasting your own time. No one asked you to respond to my statements. You came to me.

Lol really? You want to post random unsourced claims here without being questioned.

This is like Trump at a press conference.

If you support the Kabul regime because they can build things, just state it proudly like Azmal. No need to run around in circles