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  • #32
    Originally posted by khushal View Post
    Nawaz Sharif was trying to create some kind of a NAFTA with India and Afghanistan but the Pak Army deposed him over the plan. The US seems to be choosing the PAk Army over Nawaz Sharif since Nawaz Sharif was creating an atmosphere of cooperation between neighbors so US actions makes sense according to theory of Realism in International Relations.

    The Pak army wont stop supporting groups that have common interests with them, They want leverage over India over central Asian trade so your partition wont work. If you move all your people to Siberia, the pakis will leave you alone but then you have Chinese moving there slowly. Its bad geography our people live in buts its always better to work with your neighbor than against them.
    There is a lot of wishful thinking in your words. You are being simplistic and your pro Taliban bias is clouding your good judgment. Pakistan is a failed state. There are other important regional actors involved, who are way stronger than Pakistan who oppose Taliban taking over the country for that would boost Talibanism in their own countries: Russia, China, India and Iran. Their current support for the Taliban its to bleed USA. Once USA leaves, they will most likely reject a scenario like the one in the 90ths. You choose to ignore this because you want to impose a terrorist movement on all Afghans. You are behaving like those arrogant clueless American Liberals/Alt Right who want to impose their will on people living far, far away from home.

    Actually I believe not even Pakistan wants a stable and united Afghanistan under Taliban. They would most likely start their support for Pakistani islamist movements. Pakis want a weak and unstable Afghanistan. Not a total terrorist victory.
    "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
    I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

    -Ferdowsi.

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    • #33
      Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
      There is a lot of wishful thinking in your words. You are being simplistic and your pro Taliban bias is clouding your good judgment. Pakistan is a failed state. There are other important regional actors involved, who are way stronger than Pakistan who oppose Taliban taking over the country for that would boost Talibanism in their own countries: Russia, China, India and Iran. Their current support for the Taliban its to bleed USA. Once USA leaves, they will most likely reject a scenario like the one in the 90ths. You choose to ignore this because you want to impose a terrorist movement on all Afghans. You are behaving like those arrogant clueless American Liberals/Alt Right who want to impose their will on people living far, far away from home.

      Actually I believe not even Pakistan wants a stable and united Afghanistan under Taliban. They would most likely start their support for Pakistani islamist movements. Pakis want a weak and unstable Afghanistan. Not a total terrorist victory.
      Iran and Russia are supporting the Taliban, Iran more than Russia. You give an odd account to explain this fact. Just ask Ghani and Abdullah why they have been upset with Russia regarding Taliban.

      - no one with a basic understanding of the region would ever group India and China together as strategic partners.
      Last edited by Insight; 10-25-2018, 07:57 AM.
      "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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      • #34
        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        Actually I believe not even Pakistan wants a stable and united Afghanistan under Taliban. They would most likely start their support for Pakistani islamist movements. Pakis want a weak and unstable Afghanistan. Not a total terrorist victory.

        Exactly

        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
        don’t try to be smart.

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        • #35
          Originally posted by Insight View Post
          Iran and Russia are supporting the Taliban, Iran more than Russia. You give an odd account to explain this fact. Just ask Ghani and Abdullah why they have been upset with Russia regarding Taliban.

          - no one with a basic understanding of the region would ever group India and China together as strategic partners.
          You have clearly some reading comprehension problems, bhai. I clearly stated that those countries are currently backing the Taliban for several reasons (keep ISIS at bay, prepare for worst case scenario, bleed the USA, use them as leverage against the Afghan government, in case of Iran destroy key infraestructural projects such as Salma Dam that are a threat to Iran, and so on). But when the USA leaves, which will happen sooner or later, all the regional order will change.

          Regarding China and India, you are a simpleton. Nation states pursue interest. Those interests even between enemies sometimes overlap. Thats why Pakistan, KSA and Israel, all of them enemies, cooperated against URSS in Afghanistan (Cyclone operation), Or how ISIS and Assad are cooperating when it comes to defeating rebels or weakening the USA in Deir Ezzor (right now Asad is allowing thousands of ISIS fighters to flow into Hajjin to fight against SDF, while both Asad and ISIS are killing each other in Safa). Politics its a complicated thing. Buy you are trying to make it look simple.
          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

          -Ferdowsi.

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          • #36
            Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
            You have clearly some reading comprehension problems, bhai. I clearly stated that those countries are currently backing the Taliban for several reasons (keep ISIS at bay, prepare for worst case scenario, bleed the USA, use them as leverage against the Afghan government, in case of Iran destroy key infraestructural projects such as Salma Dam that are a threat to Iran, and so on). But when the USA leaves, which will happen sooner or later, all the regional order will change.

            Regarding China and India, you are a simpleton. Nation states pursue interest. Those interests even between enemies sometimes overlap. Thats why Pakistan, KSA and Israel, all of them enemies, cooperated against URSS in Afghanistan (Cyclone operation), Or how ISIS and Assad are cooperating when it comes to defeating rebels or weakening the USA in Deir Ezzor (right now Asad is allowing thousands of ISIS fighters to flow into Hajjin to fight against SDF, while both Asad and ISIS are killing each other in Safa). Politics its a complicated thing. Buy you are trying to make it look simple.

            Its like the Brits say "there are no allies, just common interests"

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            • #37
              Originally posted by Firdousi View Post

              You have clearly some reading comprehension problems, bhai. I clearly stated that those countries are currently backing the Taliban for several reasons (keep ISIS at bay, prepare for worst case scenario, bleed the USA, use them as leverage against the Afghan government, in case of Iran destroy key infraestructural projects such as Salma Dam that are a threat to Iran, and so on). But when the USA leaves, which will happen sooner or later, all the regional order will change.

              Regarding China and India, you are a simpleton. Nation states pursue interest. Those interests even between enemies sometimes overlap. Thats why Pakistan, KSA and Israel, all of them enemies, cooperated against URSS in Afghanistan (Cyclone operation), Or how ISIS and Assad are cooperating when it comes to defeating rebels or weakening the USA in Deir Ezzor (right now Asad is allowing thousands of ISIS fighters to flow into Hajjin to fight against SDF, while both Asad and ISIS are killing each other in Safa). Politics its a complicated thing. Buy you are trying to make it look simple.
              You really believe that there are Taliban movements in Russia, Iran, China, and India?
              "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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              • #38
                Originally posted by Firdousi View Post

                You have clearly some reading comprehension problems, bhai. I clearly stated that those countries are currently backing the Taliban for several reasons (keep ISIS at bay, prepare for worst case scenario, bleed the USA, use them as leverage against the Afghan government, in case of Iran destroy key infraestructural projects such as Salma Dam that are a threat to Iran, and so on). But when the USA leaves, which will happen sooner or later, all the regional order will change.

                Regarding China and India, you are a simpleton. Nation states pursue interest. Those interests even between enemies sometimes overlap. Thats why Pakistan, KSA and Israel, all of them enemies, cooperated against URSS in Afghanistan (Cyclone operation), Or how ISIS and Assad are cooperating when it comes to defeating rebels or weakening the USA in Deir Ezzor (right now Asad is allowing thousands of ISIS fighters to flow into Hajjin to fight against SDF, while both Asad and ISIS are killing each other in Safa). Politics its a complicated thing. Buy you are trying to make it look simple.
                Daaaah, obviously nations have common interests, but you are flat out wrong to conclude that China and India are on the same page in regards to Afghanistan (out of some fear that "Taliban movements" will spread in their countries.) . China and Pakistan have much more common interests in Afghanistan.

                "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                • #39
                  Originally posted by Firdousi View Post

                  There is a lot of wishful thinking in your words. You are being simplistic and your pro Taliban bias is clouding your good judgment. Pakistan is a failed state. There are other important regional actors involved, who are way stronger than Pakistan who oppose Taliban taking over the country for that would boost Talibanism in their own countries: Russia, China, India and Iran. Their current support for the Taliban its to bleed USA. Once USA leaves, they will most likely reject a scenario like the one in the 90ths. You choose to ignore this because you want to impose a terrorist movement on all Afghans. You are behaving like those arrogant clueless American Liberals/Alt Right who want to impose their will on people living far, far away from home.

                  Actually I believe not even Pakistan wants a stable and united Afghanistan under Taliban. They would most likely start their support for Pakistani islamist movements. Pakis want a weak and unstable Afghanistan. Not a total terrorist victory.

                  Read what I bolded. That crack from Panjshir got to be really strong!!!

                  You believe that Russia(athiest/Christian), China(athiest/Buddhist, Iran(Shia), and India(Hindu) are worried about Taliban movements in their countries? Lol man

                  "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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