Afghan Electronic Identity Card VS Afghan Unity

[Sikandar.]

At some point of time, I would like to talk about Nationalism and Pashtuns who ended up with Panjsheri wives and vice versa. I can say with guarantee that their eldest child would not be older than 25 or younger than 15.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

This, you agreed to until the clueless faggot came forward and started talking about " rights and policies" given to people based on these factors..

From human rights patron and torch bearer of equality to homophobia ...moral hypocrisy.

[Firdousi]

You are either religious or your are not. when you are religious, you are politically driven by your religious beliefs, when you are not religious, you are not. There is no such thing as being driven by beliefs that are labels only to you.



We started talking about this subject because we were concerned that when religion and ethnicity is displayed on an identity card, it subjects an individual to discrimination because of the instability we have in the system at this point of time. I never said that this is how it should be from now on, I said, at this point of time, singling individuals will be disadvantageous. I even went further to say that the downside to not displaying religion or ethnicity would be discouraging people from taking pride in their identity and that was never a good thing. This, you agreed to until the clueless faggot came forward and started talking about " rights and policies" given to people based on these factors. First of all, no one wants to be like the West. Secondly, if being like the West, you are suggesting that people are treated with fairly and with respect, despite their ethnic and religious backgrounds, that is called equality. Those rights were not given to anyone by signaling them out, those were given to them by default. A tolerant environment was created and everyone was given these rights by default. No one is treated good because they are Christians, Muslims or Hindus.


Nationalism is not for Pashtuns only. You were drowning and you forgot whose grip you grabbed on to. We have spoken of demographics plenty, let's focus some on basic geography. Basing your claim on not being a Pashtun Nationalist on the fact that you are not from Herat is utterly disappointing. Kindly refer to a 5th grade geography book from any province of Afghanistan.

Ey, hold your horses. I am not trying to convince you. You have an high opinion of yourself but believe me I couldnt care less about you nor about what you think.

You can keep your Liberal nonsense to yourself. I do not buy this moral relativism BS. I believe my religion is superior to other faiths and since we are majority in Afghanistan we should try to create a strong Islamic society (I do not believe in Islamic states/governments. Most of them are useless and corrupt AF). I am not going to accept that in my country cow-whorshipping has the same status than my own faith.. Period.

You really want me to buy this Liberal mumbo jumbo about all races, religions and nations being all equal, to give on all that and sit together and sing the f*cking kumbayá lmao

Westerners can do whatever they please with their societies. If they want to stick to this suicidal vision about societies revolving around individualism, consumerism, minority dictatorship, moral relativism, secularism, cynicism, endless hedonism, infertility and lack of commitment, they can do it. i do not care. I just do not want them to impose it on the rest of the world. I just hope you brainwashed Uncle Toms will wake up one day.

[Firdousi]

I just hope Muslims do not buy this Liberal nonsense. Liberalism is an authoritarian ideology. It claims to be "neutral" but once you submit, it becomes increasingly totalitarian. Liberals tricked Christians. I just hope Muslims do not fall for the bait. If Muslims accept this false premise about everything being relative, Indecent Liberals like DJZ will fill the vacuum.

[Ironhide]

I just hope Muslims do not buy this Liberal nonsense. Liberalism is an authoritarian ideology. It claims to be "neutral" but once you submit, it becomes increasingly totalitarian. Liberals tricked Christians. I just hope Muslims do not fall for the bait. If Muslims accept this false premise about everything being relative, Indecent Liberals like DJZ will fill the vacuum.

Wow.. so we found something we agree on... Moreover, it always reminds me of that saying "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it all"

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You are either religious or your are not. when you are religious, you are politically driven by your religious beliefs, when you are not religious, you are not. There is no such thing as being driven by beliefs that are labels only to you.



We started talking about this subject because we were concerned that when religion and ethnicity is displayed on an identity card, it subjects an individual to discrimination because of the instability we have in the system at this point of time. I never said that this is how it should be from now on, I said, at this point of time, singling individuals will be disadvantageous. I even went further to say that the downside to not displaying religion or ethnicity would be discouraging people from taking pride in their identity and that was never a good thing. This, you agreed to until the clueless faggot came forward and started talking about " rights and policies" given to people based on these factors. First of all, no one wants to be like the West. Secondly, if being like the West, you are suggesting that people are treated with fairly and with respect, despite their ethnic and religious backgrounds, that is called equality. Those rights were not given to anyone by signaling them out, those were given to them by default. A tolerant environment was created and everyone was given these rights by default. No one is treated good because they are Christians, Muslims or Hindus.


Nationalism is not for Pashtuns only. You were drowning and you forgot whose grip you grabbed on to. We have spoken of demographics plenty, let's focus some on basic geography. Basing your claim on not being a Pashtun Nationalist on the fact that you are not from Herat is utterly disappointing. Kindly refer to a 5th grade geography book from any province of Afghanistan.

What your aimless meandering prattle and vacant appeals to Social Equality demonstrate is that you don't know WTF you're talking about.

Glossing over points like Native North American reservations, Tax Exemptions for religious organizations and other identity based approproations that are within America and Canada shows you're a dumb ****. ...now please get a clue and STFU.

[khushal]

Western liberalism basically promotes "dawoosy" or cuckoldary. Family values are destroyed and it leads to where women don't want to have kids with dawoosan and men don't want to have kids with sluuts or sluut look alikes who cant cook or know how to raise children. This information is from Western men and women that I have talked to about the subject.

[Sikandar.]

Ey, hold your horses. I am not trying to convince you. You have an high opinion of yourself but believe me I couldnt care less about you nor about what you think.

You can keep your Liberal nonsense to yourself. I do not buy this moral relativism BS. I believe my religion is superior to other faiths and since we are majority in Afghanistan we should try to create a strong Islamic society (I do not believe in Islamic states/governments. Most of them are useless and corrupt AF). I am not going to accept that in my country cow-whorshipping has the same status than my own faith.. Period.

You really want me to buy this Liberal mumbo jumbo about all races, religions and nations being all equal, to give on all that and sit together and sing the f*cking kumbayá lmao

Westerners can do whatever they please with their societies. If they want to stick to this suicidal vision about societies revolving around individualism, consumerism, minority dictatorship, moral relativism, secularism, cynicism, endless hedonism, infertility and lack of commitment, they can do it. i do not care. I just do not want them to impose it on the rest of the world. I just hope you brainwashed Uncle Toms will wake up one day.

The status of your faith is higher than others but you don’t want a government ran by it. You can idolize nations where religion is just a label but you don’t want to “buy” my “liberal mumbo jumbo”.
Equality for everyone is not the admission of the belief that someone else’s faith, belief or values are higher than one’s own. It’s the smallest and most insignificant sacrifice/truce one pays for a very big cause. You can stomp your feet on the ground for another hundred years about what it is that you like, dislike, want or not want. You will not step foot in to the arena of what it is that a liberal mumbo jumbo Uncle Tom like me sings about.
Throughout the history of time, the mark of the man who amongst other imperfections, does not carry within him the confidence to stand tall and state “this is what I want. I know it’s wrong but I must have it” is non existent. Your likes, dislikes and wants, at the most, will get you a good trade for your labels; nothing beyond that.
Why hold one’s horses and wake up from one’s delusions for someone who claims not to care. Rebuilding a broken nation requires care( a lot of it, in fact), not an outdated tirade about one’s personal likes, dislikes and wants.

[Sikandar.]

Western liberalism basically promotes "dawoosy" or cuckoldary. Family values are destroyed and it leads to where women don't want to have kids with dawoosan and men don't want to have kids with sluuts or sluut look alikes who cant cook or know how to raise children. This information is from Western men and women that I have talked to about the subject.

What does western liberalism have to do with Afghan national ID cards? When I said muslims in the west are treated equally as everybody else, that somehow means I am promoting western liberalism?? What are you all doing in the west? Are you all dawosan or are your mothers ****s?

[UnknownUser]

Islam introduced equality before westerners.

The idea that only God is above, makes all humans equal.

No need to implement western ideals of equality and corrode Islamic ideals.

[Sikandar.]

No one is taking about implementing western ideas here. I said equality for everyone, ferdousi said, muslims in the west are treated equally regardless of their religious beliefs. Then he proceeded to tell me that all this equality talk is a western liberal mumbo jumbo and that he doesn’t care for it any.

When a person talks about fairness and equality and you instantly respond with “keep that western liberal bull**** away from me” it exposes your hypocrisy or lack of genuine belief that equality was introduced as “Islamic ideals”.

But we are way beyond all that here. In here, we have people blatantly claiming not to care for equality, associating the system that provides them equality with dawosi and all while boasting about how good of a treatment Muslims get in the west.

Having a different opinion on a matter is justifiable. Presenting it so poorly is ugly, lazy, disgusting and inexcusable.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Having a different opinion on a matter is justifiable. Presenting it so poorly is ugly, lazy, disgusting and inexcusable.

Disingenuous AF

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

What does western liberalism have to do with Afghan national ID cards? When I said muslims in the west are treated equally as everybody else, that somehow means I am promoting western liberalism?? What are you all doing in the west? Are you all dawosan or are your mothers ****s?

You need to update your notes Identity Politics is running the show these days in "The West"

How America's identity politics went from inclusion to division | Society | The Guardian


Your attitude is wrong, being cognizant of people's identity can be used as a force to address issues of marginalization and disparity. If you can't grasp this and simply think "treat everyone equally" is enough, you obviously don't know how that works to African Americans in America.

[Firdousi]

Islam introduced equality before westerners.

The idea that only God is above, makes all humans equal.

No need to implement western ideals of equality and corrode Islamic ideals.

Egalitarianism is overrated and its dangerous. According to this twisted philosophy a spoiled and useless millennial kid should be treated in the same way you treat your elderly. NO WAY.

All human beings are equal, but human societies should not be built over egalitarianism. It destroys everything.

[Firdousi]

No one is taking about implementing western ideas here. I said equality for everyone, ferdousi said, muslims in the west are treated equally regardless of their religious beliefs. Then he proceeded to tell me that all this equality talk is a western liberal mumbo jumbo and that he doesn’t care for it any.

When a person talks about fairness and equality and you instantly respond with “keep that western liberal bull**** away from me” it exposes your hypocrisy or lack of genuine belief that equality was introduced as “Islamic ideals”.

But we are way beyond all that here. In here, we have people blatantly claiming not to care for equality, associating the system that provides them equality with dawosi and all while boasting about how good of a treatment Muslims get in the west.

Having a different opinion on a matter is justifiable. Presenting it so poorly is ugly, lazy, disgusting and inexcusable.

You are not very smart, DZJ, so let me explain it to you: I believe in the West, Western values come first. Islam should not have the same status than "Western culture". I reject Western multiculturalism. Why should Somali culture have the same status in Germany than the local German culture? Its BS. Same logic applies to Afghanistan or any other country.

Of course all cultures and people deserve respect and protection. But I support majoritarianism. Thats why I also believe that historically the Islamic system of self-governing communities was way better than the modern Western individualist paradigm.

Westerners (some of them, not all. Westerners just like Muslims are diverse people) are starting to realize this. They are just too arrogant to accept it. They despise their own tolerance with other people but at the same time they brag about it. "We are too tolerant with Muslims".. but when it benefits them "We are more tolerant than Muslims". Hilarious lol