Afghan Electronic Identity Card VS Afghan Unity

[Ironhide]

There is an old Swahili saying that "Truth is like a Lion, you set it free and it defends itself".

So just like afghan elections where Pashtuns get under represented, in case of ID Cards through which ethnic background could have been identified, the pashtun dominated provinces are seeing most resistance and difficulty in distribution and therefore will result in there under representation. However, inspite of the said we see immense resistance from Northern Alliance politicians which may be indicative of their underlying insecurities? time will tell..


ByKhawaja Basir fitri On Jun 25, 2018 - 22:06

KABUL (Pajhwok): Around five millions hand-written National Identity Cards (NICs) have been distributed to people so far as part of the newly-launched nationwide process to facilitate people to participate in the upcoming polls.

However, the process had not been smooth in 18 provinces due to problems and difficulties, said Rohullah Ahmadzai, spokesman for the Central Statistic Organisation (CSO).

He said so far around five million NICs had been distributed and the process would continue until July 22.

But Taimour Sharan, deputy head of the Independent Directorate of Local Governance (IDLG), on Monday told the lower house that as of May 6, some 1.9 million people received ID cards, showing a huge difference in the numbers.

“Though IDLG don’t have a direct role in this process, yet according to the agreement signed between different government institutions, the IDLG is obliged to facilitate Tazkera distribution teams, which we did.”

He said the Tazkera distribution process went smoothly in 16 provinces of the country. however, the teams faced problems in Ghazni, Paktia, Paktika, Zabul, Farah, Helmand, Sar-i-Pul, Badakhshan, MaidanWardak, Logar, Faryab, Laghman, Hera, Ghor, Kunduz, Nimroz and Nangarhar provinces.

Maidan Wardak, Logar, Faryab, Laghman, Herat, Ghor, Kunduz, Nimroz and Nangarhar are provinces where security threats are high.

Around 5 million ID cards distributed countrywide | Pajhwok Afghan News

The main dispute over the new e-cards involves use of the term “Afghan” to denote nationality. Previous paper ID cards used the term as a denomination for all ethnic groups in the country.
However, the Pashtuns, the traditional rulers of Afghanistan, want the ethnicity of the card holder to be specified from 14 other groups.
Non-Pashtun groups, especially the Tajiks, oppose the idea, claiming it would give Pashtun ethnicity national status.


Launch of electronic ID cards in Afghanistan intensifies Ghani-Abdullah feud | Arab News

New Afghan ID cards, aimed at unifying the country, are doing the opposite - The Washington Post

Distribution of biometric Afghan ID cards begins

[Sikandar.]

It took me a day and a half. I didn’t hire anyone, I didn’t bribe anyone and no one got wind of my dual citizenship status. I picked the application form in one day, stood in a line the next day and got it stamped within 3 hours.

[Ironhide]

It took me a day and a half. I didn’t hire anyone, I didn’t bribe anyone and no one got wind of my dual citizenship status. I picked the application form in one day, stood in a line the next day and got it stamped within 3 hours.

so does it show ethnicity and how many people in Afghanistan have got theirs?

[Firdousi]

Pashtun nationalists, once again, are not playing fair. There are like 14 groups but for some reasons Aymaks are separated from Tajiks (although most of them consider themselves Tajik) while Kuchis are included into the Pashtun group.

Its pretty obvious Pashtun nationalists are scared. Their mumbo jumbo about being majority its about to be exposed so they are trying any kind of tricks in order to fool the country. Wont work.

Pashtun nationalism must be obliterated for its boosting an irrational anti-Pashtun backlash among non Pashtuns. I am kinda fed up with all this stupidity and ethnic wars. I always thought it was an online thing but now wherever I go and every time Afghans talk about politics it all turns into "Tajik vs Pashtun" bs.

[Ironhide]

Pashtun nationalists, once again, are not playing fair. There are like 14 groups but for some reasons Aymaks are separated from Tajiks (although most of them consider themselves Tajik) while Kuchis are included into the Pashtun group.

Its pretty obvious Pashtun nationalists are scared. Their mumbo jumbo about being majority its about to be exposed so they are trying any kind of tricks in order to fool the country. Wont work.

Pashtun nationalism must be obliterated for its boosting an irrational anti-Pashtun backlash among non Pashtuns. I am kinda fed up with all this stupidity and ethnic wars. I always thought it was an online thing but now wherever I go and every time Afghans talk about politics it all turns into "Tajik vs Pashtun" bs.

Kuchian are pashtuns. However, Aimaks are aimaks..but if they want to become Tajik i should be left to them.. cannt they tick on Tajik instead of Aimak?

[Sikandar.]

so does it show ethnicity and how many people in Afghanistan have got theirs?

It does and it always has shown religion and ethnicity. I compared it to the ID cards of my parents from when they were teenagers and their’s showed it too. I don’t know anything about the statistics and I find it rubbish since that is what has caused all the paranoia and stupidity , leading people in to this “I am a Pashtun, I am a Tajik and not Afghan” dellima. I personally wish they get rid of the ethnicity and even religion part from the ID cards and only note it down for demographic reasons in their books but that is a subject for another discussion.

[Firdousi]

Kuchian are pashtuns. However, Aimaks are aimaks..but if they want to become Tajik i should be left to them.. cannt they tick on Tajik instead of Aimak?

Aimaqs are Tajiks brother. At least most of them consider themselves Tajiks. Do you know General Ghori? He was an Aimaq from Ghor. He died a year ago in a chopper accident. He was a close friend of my father. Although he had some Mongoloid features he always claimed to be Tajik.

I know also some Kabuli Qizilbash. Although they are originally Turkic they claim to be Tajiks too.

[Firdousi]

It does and it always has shown religion and ethnicity. I compared it to the ID cards of my parents from when they were teenagers and their’s showed it too. I don’t know anything about the statistics and I find it rubbish since that is what has caused all the paranoia and stupidity , leading people in to this “I am a Pashtun, I am a Tajik and not Afghan” dellima. I personally wish they get rid of the ethnicity and even religion part from the ID cards and only note it down for demographic reasons in their books but that is a subject for another discussion.

Good point but I disagree. By showing ethnicity we will finally know the demographic reality of our country. Now all ethnic groups must shut up and accept it.

[UnknownUser]

Aimaqs are Tajiks brother. At least most of them consider themselves Tajiks. Do you know General Ghori? He was an Aimaq from Ghor. He died a year ago in a chopper accident. He was a close friend of my father. Although he had some Mongoloid features he always claimed to be Tajik.

I know also some Kabuli Qizilbash. Although they are originally Turkic they claim to be Tajiks too.

what language do Aimaks speak? if they speak Farsi, and don't look too different from Tajiks (ei. Hazara or Uzbak), what's the point of claiming a separate group? specially when they are so small population wise. pretty sure they are classified as a subgroup of Tajiks though.

[Sikandar.]

Good point but I disagree. By showing ethnicity we will finally know the demographic reality of our country. Now all ethnic groups must shut up and accept it.

List me a couple of social benefits that can be gained from collecting demographic points regarding ethnicity and religion in the midst of political turmoil and a society such as Afghanistan’s at the moment.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

List me a couple of social benefits that can be gained from collecting demographic points regarding ethnicity and religion in the midst of political turmoil and a society such as Afghanistan’s at the moment.

It reveals inbalances of power
It helps to reshape policy around demographic realities.
It highlights issues of marginalization
It reveals problematic trends in all of the above.
It informs people of how their rights are not being sufficiently addressed.

Is that enough Layma/DaZahroJaam?

[Firdousi]

List me a couple of social benefits that can be gained from collecting demographic points regarding ethnicity and religion in the midst of political turmoil and a society such as Afghanistan’s at the moment.

Ethnicity and religion are not just "labels" in Afghanistan. Are key factors that drive our policy. I want to know the ethnic reality of my country.

[Ironhide]

Ethnicity and religion are not just "labels" in Afghanistan. Are key factors that drive our policy. I want to know the ethnic reality of my country.

Plus it clarify things,,, helps in devising clear policies, reduce misguidance of people as people with bad intentions use these grey/unclear areas..

[Ironhide]

what language do Aimaks speak? if they speak Farsi, and don't look too different from Tajiks (ei. Hazara or Uzbak), what's the point of claiming a separate group? specially when they are so small population wise. pretty sure they are classified as a subgroup of Tajiks though.

thats upto them to decide.. just like in pakistan, census guys ask you what you are and what language do you speak..

[Sikandar.]

Ethnicity and religion are not just "labels" in Afghanistan. Are key factors that drive our policy. I want to know the ethnic reality of my country.

Religion and ethnicity is never a mere label in any corner of the world which is precisely why we have the problem at hand.
I know you want to know the ethnic reality of your country but tell me why. Why is it so important for you to know those numbers? Do you also want you rights and policies based on “demographic realities”?