'Abdul Does Not Celebrate Norouz': Anti-Norouz Campaign Prompts Backlash In Afghanist

[کیش]

There is no Barakah in celebrating a cultural holiday that was never uttered by the Nabi of the Almighty Allah.

[Ambatin]

There is no Barakah in celebrating a cultural holiday that was never uttered by the Nabi of the Almighty Allah.

The Quran says the almighty sent prophets to all over the world though. How else you gonna explain him sending a dude only to a people living in the desert of Arabia, but not in say Mexico or Australia.

[khushal]

There is no Barakah in celebrating a cultural holiday that was never uttered by the Nabi of the Almighty Allah.

That is not a good argument. The prophet never said you can not have khushal-ee.

[khushal]

I came across this article on Encyclopedia Britannica regarding Charshembe Suri:

ČAHĀRŠANBA-SŪRĪ – Encyclopaedia Iranica

Thats interesting. I dont know if other tribes do this, but in our tribe, during celebratory times, we make a big fire and dance attan around it.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There is no Barakah in celebrating a cultural holiday that was never uttered by the Nabi of the Almighty Allah.

There is Barakah ....anything that brings genuine happiness and joy in people's hearts and reminds people of the wonders of nature....always brings barakah.

“I said to Jabir bin Samurah: ‘Did you used to sit with the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W)?” He said: ‘Yes.’ When the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W) had prayed fajr, he would sit in the place where he had prayed until the sun rose, and his companions would talk and remember things from the time of Jahilliyah and recite poetry, and they would laugh and he would smile.'” (Sunan an-Nasa’i)

[Qami]

In Armenian traditional way we have same thing as chaharshanbe suri on several festivals, the most famous being Trndez ( read Te're'ndez - the short sound e' exists in Pashto too, but don't know how to write it in english). Trndez is in February, but also on Amanor (new year) fires are made.
During Trndez jumping over the fire is the main reason. In older times it people even walked on the still hot coals.
Even almost all Christians celebrate it today.

The festival is related to increasing your justice through overcoming your inner fears.

[کیش]

If Zoroaster was a Prophet or not it doesn't matter. He can't even hold the feet of Mohammed (peace and blessings to him). You could even add Adam, Noah, Abraham Moses and Jesus (peace be to all of them), and put them together, and their ranking are no way near the level of Al-Wasila (peace be to him)

You modern muslims have become embarassing. St. Patricks day brings smile and joy. So by your logic, the Prophet (peace be to him) never said its batil so go on ahead and celebrate it

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

If Zoroaster was a Prophet or not it doesn't matter. He can't even hold the feet of Mohammed (peace and blessings to him). You could even add Adam, Noah, Abraham Moses and Jesus (peace be to all of them), and put them together, and their ranking are no way near the level of Al-Wasila (peace be to him)

You modern muslims have become embarassing. St. Patricks day brings smile and joy. So by your logic, the Prophet (peace be to him) never said its batil so go on ahead and celebrate it

What's embarassing is people making battlegrounds over ultimately trivial and vacant issues. These are the types of Muslim that mumbles "SubhanAllah, what's wrong with Muslims today? They're using forks and spoons rather than eating with their hands" And walk around wearing pants hiked up because they think pant seams around their ankles is "kufr" or something.


Comparing St. Patrick's to Nawruz is false equivalence; people are doing blatantly immoral things i.e. drinking to commemorate them. What's harram about eating fruit, giving gifts or celebrating nature? Nawruz is a wholesome holiday.


What's next, you're going to tell us that music is worse than zina as I've read on some of those Wahhabi/Salafi "Fatwa" sites?

Let's get a grip now. They sound ridiculous and they don't even realize it.

[کیش]

What's embarassing is people making battlegrounds over ultimately trivial and vacant issues. These are the types of Muslim that mumbles "SubhanAllah, what's wrong with Muslims today? They're using forks and spoons rather than eating with their hands" And walk around wearing pants hiked up because they think pant seams around their ankles is "kufr" or something.



The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "There are three whom Allaah will not look at or praise on the Day of Judgement and theirs will be a painful punishment: the one who wears his garment below his ankles, the one who reminds others of his favours, and the one who sells his product by means of making false oaths"*


Comparing St. Patrick's to Nawruz is false equivalence; people are doing blatantly immoral things i.e. drinking to commemorate them. What's harram about eating fruit, giving gifts or celebrating nature? Nawruz is a wholesome holiday.

Mahmoud, i was going to respond to this, but you already know what i was going to say.


What's next, you're going to tell us that music is worse than zina as I've read on some of those Wahhabi/Salafi "Fatwa" sites?

no put music is haram. But not close to the inlawful acts of Zina.

Let's get a grip now. They sound ridiculous and they don't even realize it.

Defending the teachings of Rasul Allah (peace be upon him) sounds ridiculous to you Mahmoud. Get a grip broski. He (peace be upon him) can be your intercessor in Qiyamah, but you choose culture over the sunnah. So good luck to you, or you'll be doing this in the ressurection.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Defending the teachings of Rasul Allah (peace be upon him) sounds ridiculous to you Mahmoud. Get a grip broski. He (peace be upon him) can be your intercessor in Qiyamah, but you choose culture over the sunnah. So good luck to you, or you'll be doing this in the ressurection.

Thanks for proving my point; it seems that a large contingent of this Anti-Nawruz camp comes from the same warped view of reality where how long your pant legs are leads you to hell.

Nevermind the other ahadith which actually give it context actually referring to a Jaihiliyah custom of dragging your clothes around as a form of ostentatious and pride and being wasteful.

"Whoever drags his Izar out of arrogance, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Judgement."hoever drags his Izar out of arrogance, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Judgement." (Al-Bukhari no. 5784 and Muslim no. 2085)

Nevermind the fact that the garments that are being referred to is actually an Izar, not pants., And nevermind that it's about people who are doing it to show off. Ignore those two important and related details. Because you know that's Salafism for you. Take everything literally with no context.


You're not defending Islam at all actually you're defending a warped interpretation given by people who are frankly most likely Psychopaths with some sort of OCD complex. You maybe in for a HUGE surprise when you find out that everything you've been lead to believe is The Prophet'(saw)'s sunnah is just a spin doctored exaggeration.....what intercession will you gain then?

[UnknownUser]

It seems like a case of fixing things that aren't broken. what's immoral or unislamic about celebriting nawroz? Because it's non-Arabic?

if you want to remove pre-Islamic aspects of non-Arab cultures, then go ahead ditch every part of you that's isn't similar to Arab. start dressing like an arab, talk like an arab, sound like an arab. lol. become completely undistinguishable from Arabs. lol to be Muslim, you need to be 100% Arabized. this logic is obviously flawed. Clearly it refers to people adhering to Islam not as Arabs, but as Muslims, to signify that Arab and Muslim are not and don't need to be the synnonymous.

[salman47]

If Zoroaster was a Prophet or not it doesn't matter. He can't even hold the feet of Mohammed (peace and blessings to him). You could even add Adam, Noah, Abraham Moses and Jesus (peace be to all of them), and put them together, and their ranking are no way near the level of Al-Wasila (peace be to him)

You modern muslims have become embarassing. St. Patricks day brings smile and joy. So by your logic, the Prophet (peace be to him) never said its batil so go on ahead and celebrate it

*Noruz is older than Zarathustra!
Go find a better argument...

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

It seems like a case of fixing things that aren't broken. what's immoral or unislamic about celebriting nawroz? Because it's non-Arabic?

if you want to remove pre-Islamic aspects of non-Arab cultures, then go ahead ditch every part of you that's isn't similar to Arab. start dressing like an arab, talk like an arab, sound like an arab. lol. become completely undistinguishable from Arabs. lol to be Muslim, you need to be 100% Arabized. this logic is obviously flawed. Clearly it refers to people adhering to Islam not as Arabs, but as Muslims, to signify that Arab and Muslim are not and don't need to be the synnonymous.

To be fair ...these anti-"Nawruz" types may superficially seem like "Arabists" but in actuality they want to remove every facet of culture among Arabs too, they want to abolish Arab Music, playing the Oud, Arab arts and crafts, Don't be fooled by their thawbs and beards.

They're really obscurantists and self hating more than pro-Arab.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

*Noruz is older than Zarathustra!
Go find a better argument...

It was started by Jamshid right?

Anyways, Nawruz will live on as long as we call these type of people out on their absurdity ..

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

if you want to remove pre-Islamic aspects of non-Arab cultures, then go ahead ditch every part of you that's isn't similar to Arab. start dressing like an arab, .

Also since you mentioned preislamic customs, I may have mentioned earlier that the tawaaf around the Ka'abah was a preIslamic custom that Muslims reappropriated. Tnis suggests something being preislamic in origin would not be sufficient grounds for disparaging it.