Dostum and Uzbeks

[ذو الفقار]

Dostum sided with the Soviets and the communist regime after 1978. He only conveniently went against Najibullah after the Soviets withdrew and it was clear that Najibullah could not survive as the Mujahideen factions were advancing toward Kabul. Dostum allied with Massoud but then betrayed him in 1994 and sided with Hekmatyar. He is an extremely brutal and cruel warlords with many shocking atrocities against his enemies. The Uzbeks in Afghanistan seem to be like the Uzbeks in Uzbekistan (Islam Karimov is a brutal pharaonic dictator – a taghout), cruel and ruthless people who have no regard for Islamic moral teachings.

[Traveller]

A.) Why do you have the Star of David in your profile pic?
B.) Stop pandering to us by attacking ethnicities we happen to have some political dispute with.

[ذو الفقار]

A.) Why do you have the Star of David in your profile pic?

It's not a "Star of David"

B.) Stop pandering to us by attacking ethnicities we happen to have some political dispute with.

I'm not pandering to "you". Who is "us" anyways?
If you mean Pashtuns, on another thread I also criticized Hekmatyar, the pashtun warlord, and mentioned how I regard Ahmad Shah Massoud as a great Mujahid with real character.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

No Traveller makes a great point, why are you bringing this **** up? Fix your own people first.

[ذو الفقار]

This discussion isn’t merely a historical one. Dostum is still a major political leader in Afghanistan (Vice President) and the representative of the Uzbeks. Recently Dostum fled to Turkey because of allegations of rape against him

Afghan Vice President Flies to Turkey Amid Torture and Rape Allegations - The New York Times

[ذو الفقار]

If I may make an observation, I’ve noted that the users on this forum rarely discuss contemporary Afghanistan politics, instead interested in discussing obscure stuff like the “Kushan empire” and fantasies about a “Pashtunistan”. This tells me that you guys seem depressed or disillusioned with the contemporary political situation in your country.

I would be very interested to hear an Afghan or Pashtun tell me some insider stuff about the present political turmoil in Afghanistan. For example, what is the root cause of the division in the Afghan National Unity Government. Why, for example, have Uzbek leader Dostum, Tajik leader Atta Noor, and Hazara leader Mohaqeq formed a political alliance that is demanding the resignation of President Ghani?

It it simply non-Pashtuns vs. Pashtuns or is it more nuanced than that?

[Elite Pakhtun]

Why do you have a star of David?

[Elias]

It's not a "Star of David"



I'm not pandering to "you". Who is "us" anyways?
If you mean Pashtuns, on another thread I also criticized Hekmatyar, the pashtun warlord, and mentioned how I regard Ahmad Shah Massou as a great Mujahid with real character.

Lol he was as inhuman as the other warlords.

[Elias]

If I may make an observation, I’ve noted that the users on this forum rarely discuss contemporary Afghanistan politics, instead interested in discussing obscure stuff like the “Kushan empire” and fantasies about a “Pashtunistan”. This tells me that you guys seem depressed or disillusioned with the contemporary political situation in your country.

I would be very interested to hear an Afghan or Pashtun tell me some insider stuff about the present political turmoil in Afghanistan. For example, what is the root cause of the division in the Afghan National Unity Government. Why, for example, have Uzbek leader Dostum, Tajik leader Atta Noor, and Hazara leader Mohaqeq formed a political alliance that is demanding the resignation of President Ghani?

It it simply non-Pashtuns vs. Pashtuns or is it more nuanced than that?

To an outsider yes but it is more complicated than that.
The world isn’t black and white.

[Firdousi]

To an outsider yes but it is more complicated than that.
The world isn’t black and white.

Actually Afghan Uzbeks tend to be an extremely conservative people. Many of them despise Dostum because they consider him a non religious political prostitute.

I dont mingle too much with our fellow Uzbek brothers but I do know some Shia Uzbeks from Mazar and most of them are actually more Pro-Jamiat than Pro-Dostum. Uzbeks get along with Tajiks and even with Hazaras but for some reason they hold a deep hatred toward Pashtuns. I have been told that when Tlaiban took over the north in 1996-7, Uzbeks refused to be ruled by Pashtuns so the Taliban had to appoint Tajik and Uzbek governors for the Uzbek inhabited regions.

But their food is yummy AF lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Actually Afghan Uzbeks tend to be an extremely conservative people. Many of them despise Dostum because they consider him a non religious political prostitute.

I dont mingle too much with our fellow Uzbek brothers but I do know some Shia Uzbeks from Mazar and most of them are actually more Pro-Jamiat than Pro-Dostum. Uzbeks get along with Tajiks and even with Hazaras but for some reason they hold a deep hatred toward Pashtuns. I have been told that when Tlaiban took over the north in 1996-7, Uzbeks refused to be ruled by Pashtuns so the Taliban had to appoint Tajik and Uzbek governors for the Uzbek inhabited regions.

But their food is yummy AF lol

Isn't there a matal something like "qahar-e-pashtuwan hama rahmat-e-ozbag"?

something like that?

[Firdousi]

Isn't there a matal something like "qahar-e-pashtuwan hama rahmat-e-ozbag"?

something like that?

Actually its about Hazaras, not Uzbeks. Its something like "Qar-e Pashtun, zulm-e Hazara" or something like that. I got to check that lol

It basically means that every time a Pashtun gets angry, a Hazara suffers.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Actually its about Hazaras, not Uzbeks. Its something like "Qar-e Pashtun, zulm-e Hazara" or something like that. I got to check that lol

It basically means that every time a Pashtun gets angry, a Hazara suffers.

never heard that one, the one I heard is that the wrath of a Pashtun is the mercy of an Uzbek.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

By the way, the symbol in Dhulfiqar's avatar is the insignia on the flag of Jandar, which was a pre-Ottoman anatolian state.

Isfendiyarids - Wikipedia

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

The flag of Jandarids may confuse many with what is now known as the Star of David. In medieval times however, this was not solely a Jewish symbol, but also an Islamic one known as the Seal of Solomon (Suleiman, son of King David) and was extremely popular amongst the Turkish beyliks of Anatolia. Another state known to use the seal on their flag was the Beylik of Karaman.