Panjpiri Influence in Afghanistan?

[maneatinglizard]

Now look at picture of typical afghan



Hands down the "Indic" man (Qari Kaleemullah) looks way superior. Noor has nothing to do with skin color, it is the radiance that is on the face of a man of God.

Typical self-hating Indic. Talks about Noor having nothing to do with skin color, then proceeds to post an extremely overexposed picture (look at his shirt! You can't make any details out lol) to hide the person's dark skin color. Here's how the same person looks without all that "Noor" (AKA camera flash):



Apparently in Dhul Fiqar's world, the amount of Noor on a person's face is dependent on the kind of camera they use lol.

[ذو الفقار]

Judge for yourself

[toughpashtun]

Wtf dude? Are you in your senses? Do you even have a brain?
If they're Seraiki Puunjabis, then they can never in a trillion years be Baloch!
Why are you forcing your Indian bull**** caste on other distinct nations?

Same as saying British Paki: He is Pakistani, but he is British,, different than the GB's British(who are original)
Trust me they'll always be Pakis, becoming British is just an Inferiority complexed dreams of those immigrants.

Zulfiqaar has a point here. Various Baloch tribes have settled in Southern and South-Western Punjab and adopted Seraiki language.So yes , you can find Seraiki speaking people in Punjab who are ethnically Baloch , and not Punjabis.
Similarly , Baloch tribes have settled in Sindh too. Zardari is actually a Baloch tribe.

[Samandri]

If they're Seraiki Puunjabis, then they can never in a trillion years be Baloch!

Baluchs, particularly their nationalists, will disagree with you. Baluchs, unlike Pashtuns, are very inclusive and they own and include any Seraiki, Sindhi or Brahui speaking clan if they identify themselves as Baluch and thrown in their lot with them. Thats why a very distinct Brahui speaking population is considered part of Baluch nation. The Seraiki speaking Baluch tribes of south Punjab are considered full Baluchs by those of Baluchistan province. Dont measure Baluchs by Pashtun standards.

[Charsi Malang]

Incorrect as usual. There is a difference between "caste" and "caste system". The latter is a social system based on hierarchy. For example, Brahmins at the top, Sudras at the bottom, and those who don't fit into the system, like Dalits, treated as "untouchables".

So its not the mere existence of castes that is un-Islamic, but a caste system is un-Islamic and discriminatory.

So make a distinction between caste and "caste system", like you make a distinction between race and "racism", between tribe and "tribalism".

Baloch is therefore an ancestry. There are millions of Baloch caste people residing in Punjab. They speak Saraiki or Punjabi, but their ancestry is Baloch, and they are organized around that ancestral identity of theirs. Hence they are basically one of many castes. Other castes of foreign ancestry include Mughals, Sayyids, Qureshis, Abbasis, Hashimis, Farooquis, Siddiquis, etc.

We don't tend to organize ourselves based on language, but rather based on caste and ancestry. So a person usually doesn't say "I am Punjabi" but rather "I am Jatt", "I am Arrain", "I am Gujjar", "I am Baloch", "I am Sayyid", "I am Rajput", etc.

My own caste on my mother's side is Qanungoh Shaikh of Rajput descent.

For a start let’s go to basics. Quraish is NOT a caste. It’s a tribe. Mughal is NOT a caste. Rajput is not a caste it’s a race- within Rajputs they also have tribes- i’m Not sure if they have castes WITHIN their tribes- they may for Rajputs are predominantly Hindu.

The caste system is based upon castes obviously.

[Charsi Malang]

Typical self-hating Indic. Talks about Noor having nothing to do with skin color, then proceeds to post an extremely overexposed picture (look at his shirt! You can't make any details out lol) to hide the person's dark skin color. Here's how the same person looks without all that "Noor" (AKA camera flash):



Apparently in Dhul Fiqar's world, the amount of Noor on a person's face is dependent on the kind of camera they use lol.

Hahahahaha. No question about it. There was a hell of a lot of noor going on there. Khuh de wey! 😂

[salman47]

Incorrect as usual. There is a difference between "caste" and "caste system". The latter is a social system based on hierarchy. For example, Brahmins at the top, Sudras at the bottom, and those who don't fit into the system, like Dalits, treated as "untouchables".

So its not the mere existence of castes that is un-Islamic, but a caste system is un-Islamic and discriminatory.

So make a distinction between caste and "caste system", like you make a distinction between race and "racism", between tribe and "tribalism".

Baloch is therefore an ancestry. There are millions of Baloch caste people residing in Punjab. They speak Saraiki or Punjabi, but their ancestry is Baloch, and they are organized around that ancestral identity of theirs. Hence they are basically one of many castes. Other castes of foreign ancestry include Mughals, Sayyids, Qureshis, Abbasis, Hashimis, Farooquis, Siddiquis, etc.

We don't tend to organize ourselves based on language, but rather based on caste and ancestry. So a person usually doesn't say "I am Punjabi" but rather "I am Jatt", "I am Arrain", "I am Gujjar", "I am Baloch", "I am Sayyid", "I am Rajput", etc.

My own caste on my mother's side is Qanungoh Shaikh of Rajput descent.

What is this? qadyani english? Was qadyani arabic not enough that you had to make your own version of qadyani english?
I suggest you pick up Oxford English dictionary and get educated.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Judge for yourself

The guys' face is blacker than coal No noor there. It's all in your deranged mind.

[Kakar-Wardak]

The guys' face is blacker than coal No noor there. It's all in your deranged kind.

Did anyone listen to his takreer lol?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Did anyone listen to his takreer lol?

It's like he was a Qawwali singer that didn't make it I mean it's fine if it's a qawwali

[ذو الفقار]

The guys' face is blacker than coal No noor there. It's all in your deranged mind.

He has a dark complexion, so what? Noor isn't about complexion, its not a physical phenomenon, it is the spiritual light that emanates from the face of a truthful pious man of God. Not everyone can discern it, especially those people's eyes who are blinded and cannot perceive the vision through Kashaf.

[Elias]

He has a dark complexion, so what? Noor isn't about complexion, its not a physical phenomenon, it is the spiritual light that emanates from the face of a truthful pious man of God. Not everyone can discern it, especially those people's eyes who are blinded and cannot perceive the vision through Kashaf.

How do you measure spiritual light?
I think he rather absorbes the light like a black hole than emitting light.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

He has a dark complexion, so what? Noor isn't about complexion, its not a physical phenomenon, it is the spiritual light that emanates from the face of a truthful pious man of God. Not everyone can discern it, especially those people's eyes who are blinded and cannot perceive the vision through Kashaf.

there's no noor, he looks like a typical black skinned thug you see here in America ...I'd clutch my wallet tight around him. And based on some of the language you've used on here, you're as led by your nafs as anyone else ...so like I said before, stop trying to act so pious, you can't see people's noor.

[ذو الفقار]

there's no noor, he looks like a typical black skinned thug you see here in America ...I'd clutch my wallet tight around him. And based on some of the language you've used on here, you're as led by your nafs as anyone else ...so like I said before, stop trying to act so pious, you can't see people's noor.

What does it have to do with me acting pious? You apparently live in America so you should know that virtually all non-Muslim American people would find this statement you wrote deeply offensive and racist. Are all those Americans trying to act so pious and self-righteous? Or is the truth that you are inherently a racist person who judges people based on their skin color?

It's obvious to me you haven't picked up this racist attitude by living in America, rather, it is something inherited from your Afghan culture which unfortunately you have imported this attitude into your new home where people despise racists

[Charsi Malang]

Judge for yourself

Is that even a “taqreer”? He’s singing for gods sake!