Panjpiri Influence in Afghanistan?

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As someone who is basically a Panjpiri/Mamati, but quite unfamiliar with Pashtun politics and political history, I would like to learn more about the influence of my maslak in Afghanistan. For example, how influential is Maulana Muhammad Tayyab Tahiri, who is Amir of Jamiat Ishaat-e-Tauheed wa Sunna:



Maulana's political influence in Pakistan is somewhat limited, since he is obviously a religious leader first and foremost. In Pakistan the delineation between Barelwis, Deobandi (Hayatis), Salafis (Ahle Hadith) and Panjpiris/Mamatis is very clear. We have our own separate network of mosques and Madaris, and even our own political organizations. But out of these four Masalik, the Panjpiri/Mamati maslak is the smallest and least influential on the national political scene.

I believe that in Afghanistan Abdur Rabb Rasul Sayyaf is the main political leader of the Salafis. From what I know, Salafis are concentrated in Kunar province, where they once established a Salafi emirate under the leadership of Jameel ur Rahman during the resistance to the Soviets, but sadly Hezb-e-Islami destroyed them.

Are Afghans as conscious of Maslak as we Pakistanis are (apart from the obvious Sunni-Shi'a division)?

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It seems that Mawlawi Afzal of Nuristan (Kam tribe) was a Panjpiri who founded an Islamic emirate in the Bashgal valley, which had consulates in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. It seems he initially flirted with the communist regime before finally going all out against them. He made an alliance with the Taliban when they emerged in the 1990s. According to online sources he died in 2012.

Anyone have more in depth information?

[salman47]

All these sect very unpopular accross all areas of Pashtunistan. E.g. If you come to my Village, or just to be unbiased go to Peshawar/Quetta/Kabul for example(not the Peshawar City/Indian community areas), and you will find lots of Masjid with no sects attached.
Only exception you will have is in Tarin, Bangash areas where you will find Shia Masjids.

P.S. I made exception for Indian communities because those people are very wierd and follow wierd people(regarding Islam).

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All these sect very unpopular accross all areas of Pashtunistan. E.g. If you come to my Village, or just to be unbiased go to Peshawar/Quetta/Kabul for example(not the Peshawar City/Indian community areas), and you will find lots of Masjid with no sects attached.
Only exception you will have is in Tarin, Bangash areas where you will find Shia Masjids.

P.S. I made exception for Indian communities because those people are very wierd and follow wierd people(regarding Islam).

First of all what is "Pashtunistan"??

You are talking about small Mosques and Musallas which have no sectarian affiliation. These are usually opened by individuals as an expression of their personal devotion. But all major mosques have some sectarian affiliation or another, including in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

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Actually the region of modern Afghanistan and Khorasan has historically been very sectarian, especially in the medieval period. In those days there were a whole array of sects like the Karramiyya, Najjariyya, Ashariyya, Maturidiyya, Mushabbiha, Isma'iliyya, and of course Ithna Ashariyya. They used to divide the neighborhoods of towns like Nishapur based on sect, and there would be frequent sectarian based rioting. Read Cambridge History of Iran volume 5 for the details (focusing on the Seljuq period in Iran). Now most of these sects have vanished, like the Karramiya, Najjariyya, Mu'tazila, and Salimiyya, but at one point they were very visible in that region, especially the Karramiyya. The Karramiyya were Hanafis who believe that Allah has a Jism (corporal body), and were founded by the theologian Muhammad b. Karram, a charismatic preacher known for his extreme piety and asceticism. They were once very prominent in Ghor province. The Ashari Shafi'ies were once very prominent in the region too, but it slowly become totally Hanafized

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By researching this topic, I was quite fascinated by the whole Mujahideen era, and the various factions that were all united in fighting the Soviets, but fragmented resulting in Afghanistan being ruled by competing warlords. Then the Taliban seemingly came out of nowhere from Kandahar and took over most of the country including the capital Kabul, despite the fact that the Taliban were a purely religious movement initially and not one of the Mujahideen factions. It seems their success was in part based on making alliances with local groups, like the various Salafi factions in the northeast of the country.

[salman47]

Don't be too smart.
Pashtunistan = KP + Balochistan + Afghanistan + SistanB
As you see Pashtunistan is easier to say than all those regions.
No you are wrong, in your whole life you have never visited Pashtunistan but somehow you have all the knowledge about it.
All the Major Mosques are sectless, I don't know why having no sects in Pashtun society gives stomach Pain. Like bro you have no relation to us but somehow you want us do believe your way of thinking is right. Please grow up, you were born in Canada, but still you believe like those religious nut jobs(i.e. Only your way is the truth)

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Don't be too smart.
Pashtunistan = KP + Balochistan + Afghanistan + SistanB
As you see Pashtunistan is easier to say than all those regions.
No you are wrong, in your whole life you have never visited Pashtunistan but somehow you have all the knowledge about it.
All the Major Mosques are sectless, I don't know why having no sects in Pashtun society gives stomach Pain. Like bro you have no relation to us but somehow you want us do believe your way of thinking is right. Please grow up, you were born in Canada, but still you believe like those religious nut jobs(i.e. Only your way is the truth)

Why should I take your word for it that all the major mosques in such a vast region you described are "sectless"? How do the Mosques decide which formula to use when giving Adhan? Is Salaat and Salaam upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) recited before the Adhaan like Barelwis? Does the Imam lead collective Du'a after the Fard prayer (something which we Panjpiris don't practice)?

Don't Ahle Hadith/Salafis have their separate Mosques from Hanafis? Obviously Sunnis and Shi'a pray in separately designated mosques.

[salman47]

Why should I take your word for it that all the major mosques in such a vast region you described are "sectless"? How do the Mosques decide which formula to use when giving Adhan? Is Salaat and Salaam upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) recited before the Adhaan like Barelwis? Does the Imam lead collective Du'a after the Fard prayer (something which we Panjpiris don't practice)?

Don't Ahle Hadith/Salafis have their separate Mosques from Hanafis? Obviously Sunnis and Shi'a pray in separately designated mosques.

Because I and some friends of ours on this forum have visited most of them.
If you don't believe me go see it for youself.
As I said before, those wierd wannabe Arabs(Ahle hadith/salafis) are only available in the British-Indic parts(Peshawar city e.g.) and not in the Pashtun regions.
And yes the collective Du'a is lead in every mosque after the obligatory prayer.

Tid-Bit: Most of us are very closely related, so we knows whats upto in the other tribal regions(doesn't matter if it is in Herat or Swabay)

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Because I and some friends of ours on this forum have visited most of them.
If you don't believe me go see it for youself.
As I said before, those wierd wannabe Arabs(Ahle hadith/salafis) are only available in the British-Indic parts(Peshawar city e.g.) and not in the Pashtun regions.
And yes the collective Du'a is lead in every mosque after the obligatory prayer.

Tid-Bit: Most of us are very closely related, so we knows whats upto in the other tribal regions(doesn't matter if it is in Herat or Swabay)

Ahle Hadith/Salafis are very prominent in Afghanistan too, especially in the Kunar province. They are even politically active. Abdur Rabb Rasul Sayyaf is a Salafi. Salafis established an emirate in Kunar under Jameel-ur-Rahman during the Mujahideen era.

Now perhaps the Barelwi vs Deobandi distinction is not very relevant in Afghanistan as it is in Pakistan; but this only means that Afghan Sunnis are quite homogeneous, not that various sects have no problem praying in the same Mosques behind a single Imam.

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Leaving aside Afghanistan, sectarian division of mosques in KPK province is something I know for sure. Barelwis, Deobandis, Panjpiris, and Salafis each have their own separate mosques and Madrassas. Tablighi Jamaat is very active in KPK, in fact, most of the people who journey to Raiwind for the annual Ijtema are Pathans from KPK. Likewise, the Panjpiri maslak is based in Panjpir in Swabi, where Daarul Quraan is located.

The Naqshbandi tariqa is very strong among the Pashtuns and Afghans. A new sect known as "Saifi" is a suborder of Naqshbandis founded by Akhundzada Saif ur Rahman Mubarak originates in Afghanistan, but has become very widespread throughout Pakistan, since their "Pir" emigrated to Pakistan in 1978.

Naqshbandi-Mujaddidis, under the strong influence of Mujaddid Alf Thani, have some slight distinctions in how they pray from most other Hanafis.

This is why many Afghan Hanafis do not raise their index finger at all during the Tashahhud in Salat. I wander if in Afghanistan the mosques of those who do raise their index finger are separate from those who do not raise their finger.

[Samandri]

Major Aamir of ISI (rtd) is son of the founder of Panjpiri madrassa. He is a traitor of Pashtun nation in the truest sense.

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Major Aamir of ISI (rtd) is son of the founder of Panjpiri madrassa. He is a traitor of Pashtun nation in the truest sense.

How is he a traitor?

[Peacelove]

How is he a traitor?

Since he preferred the interest of Pakistan and followed the Army policy so according to few Qoam parasast he is traitor...He broke the indian cells in Pakistan ...He as a Pakistani served his motherland well than these interner warriors,,,...His brother the head of Panjpri madrasaa after there father played an important role in united afghan Taliban or Mujahidin during civil war

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Since he preferred the interest of Pakistan and followed the Army policy so according to few Qoam parasast he is traitor...He broke the indian cells in Pakistan ...He as a Pakistani served his motherland well than these interner warriors,,,...His brother the head of Panjpri madrasaa after there father played an important role in united afghan Taliban or Mujahidin during civil war

In this case I salute Major Aamir. We need more high ranking officers from a religious background. The secular elitist generals are selling Pakistan to China in order to line their pockets.