Panjpiri Influence in Afghanistan?

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And to be honest, anyone who says it's okay to pretend to be a reincarnation of Prophet Isa (alayhi salam) should be rejected anyway. I don't know what the point of these quotes even is. We'll reject false prophets no matter how many scholars endorsed them.

Ghulam Ahmad never said he is the "reincarnation" of Prophet Isa. Get your facts right. He repudiated the idea of Tanaasukh explicitly, especially in his polemics against the Hindus and Aryas. The doctrine he put forward was that the prophecy of second coming of Jesus was to be fulfilled in the person of an Ummati of Prophet Muhammad, who is thus figuratively named "Jesus son of Mary" by fulfilling the Messianic role. Ghulam Ahmad cited the example of the second coming of Prophet Elijah, whom the Jews were expecting as the forerunner of the Messiah, as being fulfilled in the person of John the Baptist according to Jesus's own testimony, as a precedent for this idea.

Although I am not a Qadiani, I find the theory or concept to be quite compelling that the glad tidings of the second coming of an ancient Prophet isn't meant to be literal but merely means the advent of someone who will resemble that Prophet and hence is given his name.

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad tried hard to discount the efforts of the Afghan Mujahideen against his British owners. While our people were dying fighting for their freedom against the Kuffar, he went around rejecting their Jihad and trying to convince others to abandon the struggle too. We'll never accept that Punjabi piece of garbage for that reason alone, so you may as well give it up.

What Jihad and what Mujahideen are you referring to? The 1857 mutiny had nothing to do with Afghans and was roundly condemned by the most senior Sunni and Salafi Ulama of India at the time, including some of the most fierce opponents of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani such as Muhammad Hussain of Batala and Maulana Nazir Hussain of Delhi.

If you are referring to the Anglo-Afghan war of 1878, as far as I know Ghulam Ahmad never even commented on it. Nevertheless, I ask you since when was that war considered a "Jihad"? Which Ulama declared it a "Jihad"? Those were merely political and tribal wars that had nothing to do with Jihad which is a Holy War to uphold Islam.

[maneatinglizard]

This Dhul-Fiqar guy is an interesting character. Seems like he's been spamming his Qadiani propaganda on Islamic forums for a while. Guess he's been banned from so many of them that he's now taking it to forums more tangentially related to Islam, like this one and defense.pk.

I think I may even have encountered him years ago on Sunniforum (though that site is dead so I can't confirm it).

Sad thing is people figure him out so quickly every single time. You'd think he'd get a clue by now, but nope.

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This Dhul-Fiqar guy is an interesting character. Seems like he's been spamming his Qadiani propaganda on Islamic forums for a while. Guess he's been banned from so many of them that he's now taking it to forums more tangentially related to Islam, like this one and defense.pk.

I think I may even have encountered him years ago on Sunniforum (though that site is dead so I can't confirm it).

Sad thing is people figure him out so quickly every single time. You'd think he'd get a clue by now, but nope.

I wasn't banned from Defense.pk for being a "Qadiani". I am definitely not a Qadiani. The reason I was banned (Temporarily) from that forum was for preaching against Pakistani nationalism there just as I am preaching against Pashtun and Afghan nationalism here. My ban is due to expire by the end of this month.

It is true I was banned from Twelver Shia forum (anti-Shiite forum despite its name) because they said I was distracting from the topic of refuting Shiism and defending "Qadiani", but even there I made it clear that I am not a Qadiani yet to no avail. Our people these days seem to be more emotional than academic, and more conspiratorial than rational.

Yes it is true that I come from a Qadiani family background though most of my family including myself are basically "ex-Qadiani" and most of my family is now normative Sunni. Perhaps you could say there is still some influence of Qadiani literature on my psychology, but even that is not a definite thing. I am most definitely highly influenced by the Panjpiri school to the extent that I could essentially be considered an adherent of it

[Firdousi]

I wasn't banned from Defense.pk for being a "Qadiani". I am definitely not a Qadiani. The reason I was banned (Temporarily) from that forum was for preaching against Pakistani nationalism there just as I am preaching against Pashtun and Afghan nationalism here. My ban is due to expire by the end of this month.

It is true I was banned from Twelver Shia forum (anti-Shiite forum despite its name) because they said I was distracting from the topic of refuting Shiism and defending "Qadiani", but even there I made it clear that I am not a Qadiani yet to no avail. Our people these days seem to be more emotional than academic, and more conspiratorial than rational.

Yes it is true that I come from a Qadiani family background though most of my family including myself are basically "ex-Qadiani" and most of my family is now normative Sunni. Perhaps you could say there is still some influence of Qadiani literature on my psychology, but even that is not a definite thing. I am most definitely highly influenced by the Panjpiri school to the extent that I could essentially be considered an adherent of it

Ok. You are Qadiani. So whats your point, dude? Its pretty obvious most of the members of this forum will never approve your views nor agree with you. Whats your point then?

Orthodox Sunni Islam is the only and true Islam. Whatever contradict it its Bidah. Period.

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Orthodox Sunni Islam is the only and true Islam. Whatever contradict it its Bidah. Period.

Indeed, and I am an Orthodox Muslim follower of Sunna

[salman47]

Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi, the "Hakim-ul-Ummat" of the Deobandi sect, confessed the fact that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the only one who effectively refuted the Christians on the point of Jesus Christ being alive and the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) having died:

"In that period, Bishop Lefroy gathered an army of missionaries and left England, promising that he would soon convert the whole of India to Christianity. Having collected a great amount of money from the people of England, and assurances from them of continuing assistance in the future, he entered India and raised a big storm. His attack on the teachings of Islam was a failure … But the attack based on the argument that Jesus was alive in heaven in his physical body, while all other prophets were buried in the earth, was in his view proving to be effective upon the general public. At that juncture, Maulvi Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani stood up and addressed Lefroy and his group, saying: ‘The Jesus you talk about is dead and buried like other mortals, and the Jesus whose coming is prophesied is myself, so you must accept me.’ By this means he made things so difficult for Lefroy that he could not shake him off. In this way, he defeated all the Christian missionaries from India to England."

This quote is taken from the preface of the Urdu translation of the Quran by Maulana Thanwi (page 30) published in 1934

Below I reproduce original scan of page 30 of the book, with the actual quote highlighted:

Remember according to a Hadith, he is a smaller Dajjal and stupid people of this world(mostly South Asians) started following him en masse. Now Imagine what a real Dajjal will be able to do!

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Remember according to a Hadith, he is a smaller Dajjal and stupid people of this world(mostly South Asians) started following him en masse. Now Imagine what a real Dajjal will be able to do!

One man's Dajjal is another's Saint.

[salman47]

One moment: I am not a Qadyani.
Next moment: Mirza Ghulam is a saint.

You keep on trying to fool us but it won't work.
The deobandi thing you follow is not Orthodox Islam by any stretch.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

One moment: I am not a Qadyani.
Next moment: Mirza Ghulam is such an honest man.

You keep on trying to fool us but it won't work.
The deobandi thing you follow is not Orthodox Islam by any stretch.

more like "Mirza Ghulam Qadiani is a saint" ....I'd have less of a problem with this dal khor if he just came out and admitted it. haha

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more like "Mirza Ghulam Qadiani is a saint" ....I'd have less of a problem with this dal khor if he just came out and admitted it. haha

LOL this coming from a guy who literally named himself Iblis

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

LOL this coming from a guy who literally named himself Iblis

At least I didn't name myself Ghool-am Qadiani

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Real Face of Mullas:





compare with this









There is definitely truth to the statement you can tell by someone's face who is a liar, chalak and foul person, and who is truthful man of God.

[maneatinglizard]

Real Face of Mullas:

Sh. Abdul Aziz Aal-Shaikh is blind and old. Congratulations on mocking a disabled person.

There is definitely truth to the statement you can tell by someone's face who is a liar, chalak and foul person, and who is truthful man of God.

Yes, looking at Ghulam Ahmad's face, I can clearly tell that he was lying when he claimed to be Persian. Thanks for exposing the Qadiani **** for us.

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Sh. Abdul Aziz Aal-Shaikh is blind and old. Congratulations on mocking a disabled person.

Never mocked his disability, only saying that from his face you can tell he has no Noor. This is actually because he praises Yazeed and condemned the uprising of Imam Hussain رضى الله عنه i.e. he sold his faith for some Riyals and to make his Saudi overlords happy thus proved to be a Nasibi.


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