Panjpiri Influence in Afghanistan?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

We are not trying to hide our connection to Ibn Abdul Wahhab (rahimahullah). We regard him as a great Mujaddid and Muwahhid. The term "Wahhabi" is often considered derogatory, otherwise Wahhab is one of the beautiful names of Allah, and though we are not followers of Ibn Abdul Wahhab but instead followers of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam), nevertheless we regard Shaikh Ibn Abdul Wahhab as a great revivalist of Islam who rendered matchless services for the cause of Tawhid and who fought passionately against the idolatry of grave-worship.

Who’s ‘we’? Stop lying you dirty qadyani!

Panjpeeris don’t like Ibn Abdul Abdul Wahhab and the Najdi Dawah. They dislike Salafis even more.

The only thing they have in common is that both groups rely on works of Al Alusi, Ibn Katheer and other scholars of tafseer in matters of shirk.

The reason why Panjpeeris are called wahhabis is because Panjpeeris rely on Al Alusi and other Hanafi scholars works and deem worship of saints as kufr and shirk. Apparently being against kufr and shirk is Wahhabism.

But Panjpeeris are not Athari in Aqeeda like the Hanabalis and the Salafis. Panjpeeris are maturidi like most Hanafis. Panjpeeris are also against those who don’t follow any particular madhab. They are staunch Hanafis.

And Mohammed Tayyeb Panjpeeri is not the founder of the movement.

You’re more full of sh*t than the toilet where your false prophet Qadyani died.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Panjpeeris are just a small group of Hanafis who are part of the greater deobandi movement. They have absolutely no link with the Najdi movement of Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab. In fact, Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab was influenced by some Hanafi scholars of the classical period.

The Hayati and Mamati dichotomy is a strictly Deobandi matter. It doesn’t exist outside the subcontinent.

This dirty Qadyani is talking nonsense and you ignorant fools who don’t know anything about your own religion seriously reply to his filth as if he is saying something that is or any substance.

[ذو الفقار]

Who’s ‘we’? Stop lying you dirty qadyani!

Panjpeeris don’t like Ibn Abdul Abdul Wahhab and the Najdi Dawah. They dislike Salafis even more.

The only thing they have in common is that both groups rely on works of Al Alusi, Ibn Katheer and other scholars of tafseer in matters of shirk.

The reason why Panjpeeris are called wahhabis is because Panjpeeris rely on Al Alusi and other Hanafi scholars works and deem worship of saints as kufr and shirk. Apparently being against kufr and shirk is Wahhabism.

But Panjpeeris are not Athari in Aqeeda like the Hanabalis and the Salafis. Panjpeeris are maturidi like most Hanafis. Panjpeeris are also against those who don’t follow any particular madhab. They are staunch Hanafis.

And Mohammed Tayyeb Panjpeeri is not the founder of the movement.

You’re more full of sh*t than the toilet where your false prophet Qadyani died.

What don't Panjpiris like about Najdi da'wa? Stop lying idiot. And the Ashari/Maturidi creed is not necessarily subscribed to by most Ulama here anymore either, its an obscure medieval thing. Most Ulama just stick to texts like Aqida Tahawiya and Fiqh al Akbar for theology. Panjpiris have more focus on Quraan than the obscure medieval theological controversies.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Wahabies are the greatest mushrikhs they ascribe body and place to Allah, They distort classical works and claim every great scholar was a wahabi.

[ذو الفقار]

Wahabies are the greatest mushrikhs they ascribe body and place to Allah, They distort classical works and claim every great scholar was a wahabi.

Proof? Which "Wahhabi" ascribes a body to Allah?

[toughpashtun]

Zulfiqaar,
Also rememebr that Panjpiri , Wahabi and the rest of them may have their differences but they are all on the same team when it comes to the issue of Qadiani.
So please stop trying to take the cover of Panjpiri sect in order to disguise your inner self.
You have made yourself very suspicious.

[ذو الفقار]

Zulfiqaar,
Also rememebr that Panjpiri , Wahabi and the rest of them may have their differences but they are all on the same team when it comes to the issue of Qadiani.
So please stop trying to take the cover of Panjpiri sect in order to disguise your inner self.
You have made yourself very suspicious.

Holy Quraan says not to be suspicious.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اجْتَنِبُوا كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الظَّنِّ إِنَّ بَعْضَ الظَّنِّ إِثْمٌ

I am not Qadiyani, end of story. Let's move on.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Holy Quraan says not to be suspicious.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اجْتَنِبُوا كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الظَّنِّ إِنَّ بَعْضَ الظَّنِّ إِثْمٌ

I am not Qadiyani, end of story. Let's move on.

Verse taken out of context

[salman47]

Verse taken out of context

Apparently thats what Qadyanis do best(like proving Khatm Naboat means something else, as if they developed Arabic Language)!! Lol

[maneatinglizard]

Holy Quraan says not to be suspicious.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اجْتَنِبُوا كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الظَّنِّ إِنَّ بَعْضَ الظَّنِّ إِثْمٌ

I am not Qadiyani, end of story. Let's move on.

No one is suspecting you of anything. You came out as a Qadiani when you linked us to your blog that's filled with praise and defense of the Persian-wannabe fraud and false prophet, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

The lying heretic spent his life as a dutiful slave to our British enemies, and then you had the gall to come here claiming Afghanistan's troubled state is due to our execution of one of his followers, while also trying to pass yourself off as a friend.

[ذو الفقار]

No one is suspecting you of anything. You came out as a Qadiani when you linked us to your blog that's filled with praise and defense of the Persian-wannabe fraud and false prophet, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

The lying heretic spent his life as a dutiful slave to our British enemies, and then you had the gall to come here claiming Afghanistan's troubled state is due to our execution of one of his followers, while also trying to pass yourself off as a friend.

Praise of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani doesn't make one a Qadiani anymore than praise of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) by non-Muslims make them into Muslims.

Many Sunni Muslim Ulama have praised Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, including even Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Iqbal, and many others. Will you pronounce any of them as being "Qadianis"?

Furthermore, many if not most Sunni Ulama in India were staunchly loyal to the British Raj.

[salman47]

Praise of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani doesn't make one a Qadiani anymore than praise of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) by non-Muslims make them into Muslims.

Many Sunni Muslim Ulama have praised Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, including even Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Iqbal, and many others. Will you pronounce any of them as being "Qadianis"?

Furthermore, many if not most Sunni Ulama in India were staunchly loyal to the British Raj.

How can a Begherat(honorless) Muslim seller be an Ulama?

[ذو الفقار]

How can a Begherat(honorless) Muslim seller be an Ulama?

You simply don't know the reality of history and British colonialism. In fact, the British were a godsend for the Muslims of Punjab who were under the tyranny of the Sikh successors of Ranjit Singh. The Anglo-Sikh wars resulted in the liberation of the oppressed Muslim peasants from their cruel Sikh overlords. This is why the Muslims of Punjab in particular were always favorable to the British.

Most of the anti-British sentiment and movements in India were led by Hindus and Sikhs. For example, while Muslims did participate in the 1857 mutiny, it was predominantly a Hindu revolt, and it had disastrous consequences for the Muslims.

Similarly, anti-British figures were mostly Hindus and Sikhs like Bhagat Singh, Subhas Chandra Bose and Gandhi's "Quit India" movement. While the Hindus were sympathetic to the Japanese during World War 2, even actively joining their side, the Muslim League remained very loyal to the British, in fact, loyalty to British was part of its founding resolution.

The British never placed any restrictions on the practice of Islam, and great institutions of Islamic learning flourished under their rule, such as Deoband, Nadwa, the Ahle Hadith sect, and Sir Syed Ahmad Khan's Anglo-Muslim College in Aligarh.

Many times the British expressed favoritism to the Muslims over the Hindus, such as when Curzon partitioned the Bengal in 1905, and of course, Pakistan would not even exist if the British would have been against it. You may say that the British divided India because they feared the potential of a united India, but their selfish motivation ended benefiting us as Muslims, so why not appreciate that fact?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Apparently thats what Qadyanis do best(like proving Khatm Naboat means something else, as if they developed Arabic Language)!! Lol

Just to be clear, I don't hate Qadiyanis, I don't consider them kufar, but yes their ideology is wonky.

[toughpashtun]

Praise of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani doesn't make one a Qadiani anymore than praise of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) by non-Muslims make them into Muslims.

Many Sunni Muslim Ulama have praised Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, including even Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Iqbal, and many others. Will you pronounce any of them as being "Qadianis"?

Furthermore, many if not most Sunni Ulama in India were staunchly loyal to the British Raj.

1) As a rule we are not supposed to be suspicious , but when a person like you gives so many hints then you can't expect us to consider you as a person with no links to the Qadiani cult.I am not saying that you are a Qadiani in the sense that you believe in Mirza as the last and final Prophet , but you definitely have some leanings towards him if you do praise him.
In Pakistan , it is a known fact that many people do not openly show their Qadiani identity.

2) The Muslim scholars who praised Mirza Qadiani was at a time when he had not declared himself as a Prophet.When he did so , all of them condemned him and called him and his followers Kafir.All the different sects be it Barelvi or Deobandi or Panjpiri of Ahle Hadith, are united in this issue.

3) Allama Iqbal did have an inclination towards the Qadiani cult(and probabaly even joined it) but he came back to Islam and stayed on that path till the end.

4) It is unimaginable for a Muslim to praise or have good thoughts about the imposter Mirza.If you claim to be a Panjpiri , then I can assure you that even the Panjpiri scholars and elders are opposed to your views about Mirza Qadiani.