Panjpiri Influence in Afghanistan?

[toughpashtun]

In this case I salute Major Aamir. We need more high ranking officers from a religious background. The secular elitist generals are selling Pakistan to China in order to line their pockets.

Major Aamir has retired a long time back.A Pashtun serving in ISI will most definitely be considered a traitor by Pashtun nationalists as they are both on two opposite poles.

[ذو الفقار]

Major Aamir has retired a long time back.A Pashtun serving in ISI will most definitely be considered a traitor by Pashtun nationalists as they are both on two opposite poles.

We religious people hate all forms of nationalism. The real traitors to Islam are the nationalists, not people like Major Aamir who was a Muslim of the monotheistic Panjpiri stream.

[salman47]

Why should I take your word for it that all the major mosques in such a vast region you described are "sectless"? How do the Mosques decide which formula to use when giving Adhan? Is Salaat and Salaam upon the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) recited before the Adhaan like Barelwis? Does the Imam lead collective Du'a after the Fard prayer (something which we Panjpiris don't practice)?

Don't Ahle Hadith/Salafis have their separate Mosques from Hanafis? Obviously Sunnis and Shi'a pray in separately designated mosques.

Ahle Hadith/Salafis are very prominent in Afghanistan too, especially in the Kunar province. They are even politically active. Abdur Rabb Rasul Sayyaf is a Salafi. Salafis established an emirate in Kunar under Jameel-ur-Rahman during the Mujahideen era.

Now perhaps the Barelwi vs Deobandi distinction is not very relevant in Afghanistan as it is in Pakistan; but this only means that Afghan Sunnis are quite homogeneous, not that various sects have no problem praying in the same Mosques behind a single Imam.

We have a different mindset than people of the Indian Sub-Continent, i.e. Castes don't exist, bla bla bla, If a person of other sect/religion enters a mosque(while obeying the rules of mosque, like taking off your footwear before entering) NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO HIM.
People in our places are uneducated in sects of Islam, and I preffered it this way. No Useless Issues you know!
Also we don't have divisions in mosques, i.e. This mosque is for the ones who say Amin aloud, this one is for the finger raisers tashahud, this one for those, this bla bla bla.... Seriously if I was a new Muslim I might also leave Islam(as some other new Muslims do).

[Charsi Malang]

We have a different mindset than people of the Indian Sub-Continent, i.e. Castes don't exist, bla bla bla, If a person of other sect/religion enters a mosque(while obeying the rules of mosque, like taking off your footwear before entering) NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO HIM.
People in our places are uneducated in sects of Islam, and I preffered it this way. No Useless Issues you know!
Also we don't have divisions in mosques, i.e. This mosque is for the ones who say Amin aloud, this one is for the finger raisers tashahud, this one for those, this bla bla bla.... Seriously if I was a new Muslim I might also leave Islam(as some other new Muslims do).

Thank you brother. Agree with you 100%

The thing with people of the subcontinent, and Pashtuns are catching fast with this as well, is that they will put in huge amounts of effort in order to perfect their OUTWARD display of religiousness. Any action which is seen and heard loud and clear by others will be performed with great gusto for everyone to take note of. This I have seen myself and has also been relayed to me by my cousin who lives in Pakistan- a Muslim country.

What that means is that they will go to great lengths to be perceived as “good Muslims”, so they can’t be criticized by a third person- whilst the majority of these same people on a personal level are some of the nastiest people you can meet. A high level of religious display means you can’t criticize them, for then you are branded a “kafir” for the most trivial of things.

If you were a new Muslim and had a lot of contact with a lot of these extra religious types I wouldn’t blame you for being put off. Unfortunately a lot of people over complicate things so much so that the original meaning becomes hazy at best.

Having said that, Allah (swt) best.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

As someone who is basically a Panjpiri/Mamati, but quite unfamiliar with Pashtun politics and political history, I would like to learn more about the influence of my maslak in Afghanistan. For example, how influential is Maulana Muhammad Tayyab Tahiri, who is Amir of Jamiat Ishaat-e-Tauheed wa Sunna:



Maulana's political influence in Pakistan is somewhat limited, since he is obviously a religious leader first and foremost. In Pakistan the delineation between Barelwis, Deobandi (Hayatis), Salafis (Ahle Hadith) and Panjpiris/Mamatis is very clear. We have our own separate network of mosques and Madaris, and even our own political organizations. But out of these four Masalik, the Panjpiri/Mamati maslak is the smallest and least influential on the national political scene.

I believe that in Afghanistan Abdur Rabb Rasul Sayyaf is the main political leader of the Salafis. From what I know, Salafis are concentrated in Kunar province, where they once established a Salafi emirate under the leadership of Jameel ur Rahman during the resistance to the Soviets, but sadly Hezb-e-Islami destroyed them.

Are Afghans as conscious of Maslak as we Pakistanis are (apart from the obvious Sunni-Shi'a division)?

So you’re a Qadyani panjpeeri? Interesting! Sort of like a transgender.

[maneatinglizard]

So you’re a Qadyani panjpeeri? Interesting! Sort of like a transgender.

He's a Qadiani masquerading as a Panjpiri. He shared his blog on this forum, where he attacks Panjpiris and lavishes praise upon Ghulam Ahmad. He has a post here where he tried to imply that Afghanistan's troubles are due to some Qadiani being executed lol.

[ذو الفقار]

He's a Qadiani masquerading as a Panjpiri. He shared his blog on this forum, where he attacks Panjpiris and lavishes praise upon Ghulam Ahmad. He has a post here where he tried to imply that Afghanistan's troubles are due to some Qadiani being executed lol.

I'm not a Qadiani. Actually I'm influenced by the tradition of Shah Waliullah, Shah Ismail (shaheed), and Sayyid Ahmad (shaheed) of Rai Bareilly. That is my silsila in terms of understanding and conceptualizing Islam. It is true that Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani also came from this tradition. In fact, he expressed the doctrines which have become peculiar to "Mamatis" before the modern day "Panjpiri/Mamati" emerged as a distinct maslak, since their great Ulama like Shaikhul Quran Ghulamullah Khan and Inayatullah Shah Bukhari and Maulana Muhammad Tayyab Panjpiri etc. came after Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. In fact to this day their opponents among the deobandi Hayatis love to taunt their Mamati rivals that they are following the doctrines and path of Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. For example see this:

Chalange Mamati Molana Abdul Hameed Taunsvi Ijtama Rojhan - YouTube

While the Panjpiri/Mamati will ardently deny this, I am more honest and truthful in confessing that yes there is a considerable similarity and influence from Qadiani on our Maslak and understanding of Islam, with the obvious exception that we don't regard Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani as a Prophet nor are we part of the Jama'at which was initiated by him and led by his descendants.

But there can be no denying the connection between "Qadianis" and "Panjpiris" in that they are both derived from the same stream and silsila of Shah Ismail (shaheed) and Sayyid Ahmad Barelwi.

[ذو الفقار]

Someone accused me of attacking "Mamatis" on my blog. If you see the section of my blog dealing with the controversy of the Prophets being alive or deceased, you will have no choice but to conclude that I am a pakka Mamati

رَبَّ جِبْرِيلَ وَمِيكَائِيلَ وَإِسْرَافِيلَ أَعِذْنِي مِنْ حَرِّ النَّارِ وَعَذَابِ الْقَبْرِ: Barzakh

[Samandri]

"Major Aamir of ISI is a traitor to Pashtun nation in the truest sense"......i chose the words very carefully. The kamasal has admitted in his interviews that he considers Afghanistan to be the bigger enemy of Pakistan than India, and that Afghanistan should be kept weakened for betterment of Pakistan, and that he played a big role in weakening Afghanistan. He proudly admitted that he played Pashtun card and fooled Afghans (watch his interviews with Saleem safi).

[salman47]

Thank you brother. Agree with you 100%

The thing with people of the subcontinent, and Pashtuns are catching fast with this as well, is that they will put in huge amounts of effort in order to perfect their OUTWARD display of religiousness. Any action which is seen and heard loud and clear by others will be performed with great gusto for everyone to take note of. This I have seen myself and has also been relayed to me by my cousin who lives in Pakistan- a Muslim country.

What that means is that they will go to great lengths to be perceived as “good Muslims”, so they can’t be criticized by a third person- whilst the majority of these same people on a personal level are some of the nastiest people you can meet. A high level of religious display means you can’t criticize them, for then you are branded a “kafir” for the most trivial of things.

If you were a new Muslim and had a lot of contact with a lot of these extra religious types I wouldn’t blame you for being put off. Unfortunately a lot of people over complicate things so much so that the original meaning becomes hazy at best.

Having said that, Allah (swt) best.

Our Ghani Khan Baba summarizes it perfectly in his poems!

[Traveller]

"Major Aamir of ISI is a traitor to Pashtun nation in the truest sense"......i chose the words very carefully. The kamasal has admitted in his interviews that he considers Afghanistan to be the bigger enemy of Pakistan than India, and that Afghanistan should be kept weakened for betterment of Pakistan, and that he played a big role in weakening Afghanistan. He proudly admitted that he played Pashtun card and fooled Afghans (watch his interviews with Saleem safi).

Please give links to these interviews. I want to see if you are telling the truth.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

He's a Qadiani masquerading as a Panjpiri. He shared his blog on this forum, where he attacks Panjpiris and lavishes praise upon Ghulam Ahmad. He has a post here where he tried to imply that Afghanistan's troubles are due to some Qadiani being executed lol.

Yeah, the whole blog seems to be based on deceiving stupid people into buying qadyani nonsense. There use to be another filthy qadyani here on PF. We managed to bully him out of here.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Panjpiri's are basically pashtun wahabies, what's the stupid thing with wahabies given them selfs all different titles, are they trying to hide their origin to ibn wahab lol.

[salman47]

Panjpiri's are basically pashtun wahabies, what's the stupid thing with wahabies given them selfs all different titles, are they trying to hide their origin to ibn wahab lol.

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[ذو الفقار]

Panjpiri's are basically pashtun wahabies, what's the stupid thing with wahabies given them selfs all different titles, are they trying to hide their origin to ibn wahab lol.

We are not trying to hide our connection to Ibn Abdul Wahhab (rahimahullah). We regard him as a great Mujaddid and Muwahhid. The term "Wahhabi" is often considered derogatory, otherwise Wahhab is one of the beautiful names of Allah, and though we are not followers of Ibn Abdul Wahhab but instead followers of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam), nevertheless we regard Shaikh Ibn Abdul Wahhab as a great revivalist of Islam who rendered matchless services for the cause of Tawhid and who fought passionately against the idolatry of grave-worship.