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    Originally posted by Jasmine
    If persistence of Baloch nationalism points towards limited success of the Pakistani national project, the dilution of Pashtun nationalism shows that Pakistani identity can co-opt regions by making them economic and political stakeholders in a united Pakistan

    Punjab’s nationalism is often subsumed in Pakistani nationalism, but there have been instances in the recent past when Pakistani nationalism did not serve the interests of various segments of the Punjabi elite, forcing them to resort to the narrower version of Punjabi nationalism. The 1988 elections for the National Assembly showed the PPP emerging as the single largest party. Provincial elections were to take place a few days after the National Assembly elections and Nawaz Sharif’s party, which was part of the ISI-assembled Islami Jamhoori Ittehad (IJI), stoked Punjabi nationalism with slogans such as “Jaag Punjabi jaag, teri pag noo lag gaee aag” (Awake Punjabi, your honour is threatened). The second instance was after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, when the PML-Q, under the leadership of Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, put up advertisements in various newspapers alleging that innocent Punjabis were being killed in Sindh. In both instances, it appears the state apparatus was directly behind sponsoring these campaigns.

    Such are the limits of the prevailing over-centralised state of Pakistan that even Punjab will find it increasingly difficult to subsume its economic and political interests under the rubric of Pakistani nationalism. If Punjabi nationalism is subsumed in Pakistani nationalism, Baloch nationalism is on the other end of the spectrum, finding little compatibility with the pan-Pakistani narrative. Here Balochistan may be dubbed the Kurdistan issue of South Asia, straddling across international borders between Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. Of all the nationalist movements in Pakistan in 2010, Baloch nationalism draws strength from combining economic, political, cultural and historical grievances.

    The Baloch nationalists refer back to special arrangements the region had during the British period, and consequently challenge the validity of the accession to Pakistan and plead their case for a sovereign Balochistan on that ground. Without passing any legal or moral judgement on the validity of this claim, I argue that in 1947 and the period surrounding it, a political map of the subcontinent was to be drawn with only India and Pakistan as sovereign entities on it, leaving little room for other entities to claim sovereignty. In May 1947, Bengali leaders, both Hindu and Muslim, reached an agreement in favour of a free Bengal with equal representation of Hindus and Muslims in the cabinet and services. Even Jinnah had tacitly supported it, but Nehru and Patel vetoed it.

    The historical memory of being wronged in 1947-48 was further consolidated with the slapping of One Unit in 1955, which merged Balochistan with other West Pakistan provinces into a single administrative unit. The One Unit was abolished in 1970 and the nationalist-led coalition government was formed in Balochistan in 1972. By that time the province’s per capita income was solidly 40 percent lower than that of Punjab, its higher bureaucracy almost fully in non-Baloch hands, its literacy rate at a miserable six percent, and the province’s natural gas resources wantonly used by the rest of the country, bringing little prosperity to Balochistan. When the provincial government was dismissed in 1973, followed by military action, Baloch cadres opted for armed resistance.

    Fast forward the clock to 2010 and the list of Baloch grievances now also include issues such as missing people, plight of internally displaced population, and the current ongoing military action. Baloch alienation is indisputable but the province’s multi-ethnic demographics, nationalists’ laying claim on territories outside Pakistani Balochistan, and their numerical weakness makes it improbable for the separatist movement to achieve its stated objective.

    If persistence of Baloch nationalism points towards limited success of the Pakistani national project, the dilution of Pashtun nationalism shows that Pakistani identity can co-opt regions by making them economic and political stakeholders in a united Pakistan. In spite of the irredentist claims of Afghanistan, the majority of Pashtuns living in Pakistan have not warmed to the idea of a greater Afghanistan. Separation is no longer part of the Pashtun nationalist lexicon. Pashtun nationalism expresses itself in ensuring the rights of the Pashtun community all over Pakistan. When Karachi becomes the city with the largest Pashtun population, it does not make much sense to be seeking autonomy of only areas comprising Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Sindhi nationalism can be located somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, with Baloch nationalism nearly fully alienated on the one end, and the Pashtun almost totally co-opted on the other. Lacking in electoral support, Sindhi nationalists make up for that by creating Sindh-wide consensus on issues such as opposition to the Kalabagh Dam and keeping Sindhi as the medium of instruction in schools.

    Those are the reasons behind Pakistan’s failure to accommodate diverse national groups within its fold. Two competing explanations are on offer: one, what Feroz Ahmed calls a “structural” explanation, argues that “it is not that Punjabis have an inherent tendency to dominate others or to usurp other people’s rights. It so happens that in a country like Pakistan, military and civilian establishments have centralised power and Punjabis happen to dominate both institutions.” The second explanation offered by analysts like Farzana Shaikh in her recent book, Making Sense of Pakistan, argues that uncertain national identity is the reason behind Pakistan’s many failings including “distorted economic and social development” to drive “nuclear-armed states to look beyond its frontiers in search of validation...Uncertainty about national identity and the lack of consensus over Islam greatly affected the country’s constitutional and political development, (and) impinged the construction of a coherent economic and social vision.”

    Both explanations are complementary and shed good light on Pakistan’s dilemmas. In terms of resolving the tension between pan-Pakistan nationalism and regional nationalism, two ideal solutions vie with each other. Mr Jinnah, in a speech delivered in Quetta on June 15, 1948, was “pained” to find what he called “the curse of provincialism”, and wanted to “rid” Pakistan “of this evil”. Provincial autonomy was a strategy of choice in pre-independence days because, according to Jinnah, it was necessary to restrict the British control. He then went on to say to the Baloch in 1948 that “with your own central government and its powers”, it is a folly to continue to think in pre-1947 terms. This ideal solution backed by the state’s coercive arm expects all Pakistanis to erase their Sindhi, Baloch, Punjabi and Pashtun pasts and become Pakistanis as defined by Islamabad. This, as history has shown, has not worked because the central government has seldom been a government that various ethno-linguistic groups could comfortably call their own.

    The second ideal solution is to get rid of Pakistan, instead of provincialism, as the Bengalis successfully did in 1971, and some other groups are attempting to do now. I am of the view that 2010 is not like 1971, and Pakistan will not fall apart. I, for one, would like to see a Pakistan that is politically an ethnically inclusive federation, where Islamabad does not have the monopoly over describing who is a true Pakistani and who is not. Such a Pakistan will not come about through some miracle; it would require painstaking political bargains and compromises amongst the federating units.

    Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
    This article is a little misleading. Pashtun nationalism didn't neccessarily dilute for what he said it did. It diluted because Afghanistan went through a devastating war with a loss of its infrastructure. Pashtun nationalism nowadays generally works if there is a stable Afghanistan, otherwise it is a difficult thing to muster considering the odds within Pashtun society. Bare in mind, Pashtuns are politically divided within Pakistan, so again there is a need of a central figure to guide it (in this instance Afghanistan). He also fails to mention the because dilution of Pashtun nationalism was Pakistan's policy of the 90s...they used militancy as their hedge against it.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Jasmine
    Afghanistan is just one side of the coin. It also diluted because Pashtuns were fairly represented in the military and government.
    Jasmine government to an extent, military not really. Their height was during Ayub Khan's time. And it never exceeded that.
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    • #3
      Pakhtun love pakistan as their own homeland too, many of them atleast do.
      The simple resolution to the conflict is to make an ideal federation giving each province complete independence except defence, currency and foreign relations. Even trade, taxes and natural resources should be a provincial matter.
      Only this way, the people of all provinces would feel in control of their own assets. And political harmony in various provinces should not be allowed so that no provinces can create a lobby against others.

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      • #4
        We cant claim afghanistan if we cant even handle Pakhtunkhva (the part in Pak). If we develop and increase the provincial influence, afghanistan will automatically be in our sphere, but in current conditions, vn v cant even protect our own pekhawer, afghanistan would be a very long shot.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Qazi Saad Yousafzai View Post
          Pakhtun love pakistan as their own homeland too, many of them atleast do.
          The simple resolution to the conflict is to make an ideal federation giving each province complete independence except defence, currency and foreign relations. Even trade, taxes and natural resources should be a provincial matter.
          Only this way, the people of all provinces would feel in control of their own assets. And political harmony in various provinces should not be allowed so that no provinces can create a lobby against others.
          It is funny that you overlooked the fundamental question then made and absolute statement. These ideal scenarios have been cried over for 60 years, even Jinnah and his predecessors were not for it (despite supporting the 1940 resolution). BTW the biggest impediment to this ideal is the army and Pakistan's inherent security dilemma...for that they will never let FATA and Pashtunkhwa stay in autonomy or peace. How else will they play strategic depth with Afghanistan?

          Oh and Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa are not spheres of influence. We wish to unite as a people not indulge in using each other. The key is unity and development with our motherland Afghanistan, not to turn into some backyard.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
            It is funny that you overlooked the fundamental question then made and absolute statement. These ideal scenarios have been cried over for 60 years, even Jinnah and his predecessors were not for it (despite supporting the 1940 resolution). BTW the biggest impediment to this ideal is the army and Pakistan's inherent security dilemma...for that they will never let FATA and Pashtunkhwa stay in autonomy or peace. How else will they play strategic depth with Afghanistan?

            Oh and Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa are not spheres of influence. We wish to unite as a people not indulge in using each other. The key is unity and development with our motherland Afghanistan, not to turn into some backyard.
            ur rite about me saying the "SPHERE", wrong choice of word, kho wrora khabara da da che mung zan educated ao strong ku nu mung army um control kolay shu, pak um ao afghanistan um nu da sa kho tash zamung development banday depend kai. Bangaliano bangladesh waghasto nu zan ye nor strong ko, ao mung afghanistan waghasto (apparently) nu agha tabah shu, mung la pakaar di che aval zan as a part of pakistan kha develop ku ao bya che day nu dasay adv planning kau che mung patay kegu pak sara ka zan na pukhtunkhva akhlu.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Qazi Saad Yousafzai View Post
              ur rite about me saying the "SPHERE", wrong choice of word, kho wrora khabara da da che mung zan educated ao strong ku nu mung army um control kolay shu, pak um ao afghanistan um nu da sa kho tash zamung development banday depend kai. Bangaliano bangladesh waghasto nu zan ye nor strong ko, ao mung afghanistan waghasto (apparently) nu agha tabah shu, mung la pakaar di che aval zan as a part of pakistan kha develop ku ao bya che day nu dasay adv planning kau che mung patay kegu pak sara ka zan na pukhtunkhva akhlu.
              This didn't work right through the 90s in fact we went downhill with the policy. It will only get worse.
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              • #8
                It will get as we aim to get it, if threz no hope, therz no success!

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                • #9
                  I guess Pakistan would have disintegrated, had it not been for their Army. About the idea of Pakistan, if India with its 18 national languages and multitude of religions and ethnicities can be a federation, then why not Pakistan? They just need to find the right balance between provincial autonomy and centralized control.

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                  • #10
                    totally agreed!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Qazi Saad Yousafzai View Post
                      It will get as we aim to get it, if threz no hope, therz no success!
                      Aim to get what? The state you support is one whose policy is against your people. It is nor about hope, it is about reality of the state. You can't eat the cake and have it too.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KhalsaWarrior View Post
                        I guess Pakistan would have disintegrated, had it not been for their Army. About the idea of Pakistan, if India with its 18 national languages and multitude of religions and ethnicities can be a federation, then why not Pakistan? They just need to find the right balance between provincial autonomy and centralized control.
                        Irony of Pakistan is that the army has also help break the federation. If it wasn't for their mishaps in balochistan, Baloch would not be up in arms. If anything they have been a problem for the 'federation' (if this is what you want to call this british creation). It is beyond provincial and central control, it has now to do with Pakistan's policy towards India. At the expense of Pashtuns, it has went to adopt strategic depth and within our areas has caused more damage than the British did in any of their expeditions (bar helping create Pakistan).
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                        • #13
                          Have pakhtuns helped themselves and try to develop? Some tribal pathans who kill for the sake of money, did they not bow to RAW and ISI for money??
                          Bro we are not perfect, not even close!
                          And dnt u see how hamid karzai critisizes Pak all the time?? Everyone knows he's just a puppet, the moment US leaves, he'll run away or wud be killed!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Qazi Saad Yousafzai View Post
                            Have pakhtuns helped themselves and try to develop? Some tribal pathans who kill for the sake of money, did they not bow to RAW and ISI for money??
                            Bro we are not perfect, not even close!
                            And dnt u see how hamid karzai critisizes Pak all the time?? Everyone knows he's just a puppet, the moment US leaves, he'll run away or wud be killed!
                            What happens to Karzai is not of relevance to the argument nor what a few Pashtuns do. Don't digress...our own mistakes are not the issue here it is the fundamental nature of the state of Pakistan. BTW had we been able to 'better' ourself the hell would we be doing under this state? Also what do you mean by tribal 'pathans'? Every Pashtun is a tribal, your last name is a of a tribe...so what is your point? And if you mean fata, well it isn't the only area where these things happen, Pashtuns do it in other areas as well. What were we doing fighting other people's wars for the past 30 years? As I have told you, there is a fine line, and either Pakistan reverse that policy or we have to look outside of this state. Taking about lofty goals and education as if magically they are going to give you it all lollzz. They have a security dilemma that is odds with our areas. There is no way FATA can stay FATA and strategic depth be sidelined at the same time. Conversely there is no way we can get an autonomous state without Pakistan security fundamentally reneging on its previous policy of 20 years.
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                            • #15
                              what i actually mean is that there is a big question mark that if we can handle an independant state even if we have one?
                              what happened in afghanistan is not all US mistake, its our ignorance and foolish pride too!

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