US blunder in Afghanistan ‘not giving representation to the Pashtuns’, Musharraf

[Pakistan]

I've never seen any statistics on this, by any authentic source. So I suspect this is confirmation bias. If my first hand experience is of any meaning for me. Most Pashtuns who come from Sarhad tell me their region of origin first. Like Swat or Bannu or something.

I never see Pakistani Pashtuns brandishing their Pakistani identity except during special holidays related to Pakistan. But in general no, Only the house-slave variety ...do that and they seem to only exist online, which suggests they're probably on some sort of Pakistani "digital engagement team" to manufacture a narrative.

And wait, weren't you just trying to play race card earlier? What a back peddle after being shown Pashto is very highly represented in Afghanistan ....doing the Bait and Switch again eh?

Most Pashtuns who come from Sarhad tell me their region of origin first. Like Swat or Bannu or something.

That's because you are from Afghanistan and Pashtun's on both sides look similar . Do you think he will say he is from Bannu if he is meeting someone from South Africa ?

I never see Pakistani Pashtuns brandishing their Pakistani identity except during special holidays related to Pakistan. But in general no, Only the house-slave variety ...do that and they seem to only exist online, which suggests they're probably on some sort of Pakistani "digital engagement team" to manufacture a narrative.

Nobody brandishes their Identity 24/7 . You don't see the British waving flags 365 days of the year . You only do that on your national days or sporting events . Its common sense

Pashto is very highly represented in Afghanistan ....doing the Bait and Switch again eh?

No its not . Tajiks dominate everywhere in Afghanistan despite Pashtun's being in the majority . one of the reasons you keep on having civil wars is because of the mutual hate for each other .

[KBM2010]

It doesn't matter to you because you're Indic, Pashtuns are not, there's no reason for us to adopt Indic cultural heritage.

But you Dont Mind Padhtuns adopting Arabic cultural Heritage. Weird.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Most Pashtuns who come from Sarhad tell me their region of origin first. Like Swat or Bannu or something.

That's because you are from Afghanistan and Pashtun's on both sides look similar . Do you think he will say he is from Bannu if he is meeting someone from South Africa ?

Which still contradicts your narrative! And this means you're conceding that the f "Pakistani first" claim is false.

I love when I get you to cave in. haha

Nobody brandishes their Identity 24/7 . You don't see the British waving flags 365 days of the year . You only do that on your national days or sporting events . Its common sense

That's not what I said though. Straw-Man. But still means you conceded that your narrative is not accurate.

No its not . Tajiks dominate everywhere in Afghanistan despite Pashtun's being in the majority . one of the reasons you keep on having civil wars is because of the mutual hate for each other .

Pashtuns aren't a majority; They're the largest group, but not the majority group. Your earlier claim was about Pashtun representation in Media , which was wrong, you did a Bait and Switch tactic and change it to pashtuns in military. Either way...you're race baiting. How come suddenly you're so anxious about race when it comes to Afghanistan? oh of course. Because you know Pakistani's racial harmony is a narrative that they feed and post on news blogs, but isn't real lol.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

But you Dont Mind Padhtuns adopting Arabic cultural Heritage. Weird.

I do mind, I only want a Lingua Franca between Muslim regions. Not start emulating Arab cultural habits.

Look at you coming in defense of Urdu and Indic culture ....knew you weren't sincere, you must be a Pakistani Nationalist

[Pakistan]

Which still contradicts your narrative! And this means you're conceding that the f "Pakistani first" claim is false.

I love when I get you to cave in. haha





That's not what I said though. Straw-Man. But still means you conceded that your narrative is not accurate.






Pashtuns aren't a majority; They're the largest group, but not the majority group. Your earlier claim was about Pashtun representation in Media , which was wrong, you did a Bait and Switch tactic and change it to pashtuns in military. Either way...you're race baiting. How come suddenly you're so anxious about race when it comes to Afghanistan? oh of course. Because you know Pakistani's racial harmony is a narrative that they feed and post on news blogs, but isn't real lol.

Which still contradicts your narrative! And this means you're conceding that the f "Pakistani first" claim is false.

I love when I get you to cave in. haha

This is normal behaviour . My Punjabi Indian classmates tell me they are from Punjab knowing already that I know they are from India .

How come suddenly you're so anxious about race when it comes to Afghanistan? oh of course. Because you know Pakistani's racial harmony is a narrative that they feed and post on news blogs, but isn't real lol.

In a country which has 90 languages spoken within its confines and had no civil war so far between its people its still better than alot of others . Why would i be worried about a banana republic's harmony ? . I mentioned it because the thread was about Pashtun's being marginalised inside Afghanistan .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

This is normal behaviour . My Punjabi Indian classmates tell me they are from Punjab knowing already that I know they are from India .

Contradicting your original statement ....which means you knew it was nonsense but out of insecurity went ahead and posted it anyways. .....

In a country which has 90 languages spoken within its confines and had no civil war so far between its people its still better than alot of others . Why would i be worried about a banana republic's harmony ? . I mentioned it because the thread was about Pashtun's being marginalised inside Afghanistan .

I guess you forgot about Bangladesh and the Baluch rebels and trying to silence Pashtun Nationalists.


Pashtuns aren't marginalized per se, they're just not people who believe in centralized governments. That's why you have FATA.

[Pakistan]

Contradicting your original statement ....which means you knew it was nonsense but out of insecurity went ahead and posted it anyways. .....





I guess you forgot about Bangladesh and the Baluch rebels and trying to silence Pashtun Nationalists.


Pashtuns aren't marginalized per se, they're just not people who believe in centralized governments. That's why you have FATA.

Contradicting your original statement ....which means you knew it was nonsense but out of insecurity went ahead and posted it anyways. .....

People with common culture tend to do that at times . Though normally they identity with their country first . Knowing your 24/7 butthurt anti-Pakistan tone you probably made that up .

I guess you forgot about Bangladesh and the Baluch rebels and trying to silence Pashtun Nationalists.

Balochistan rebels weren't that big in number . Or else you would be seeing 30-40k people marching on the streets protesting like it happens in Kashmir . Pashtun nationalism didn't even had a take off . It was you trying to stir it up during the 60's only to be given a bloody nose by the tribals themselves .

Pashtuns aren't marginalized per se, they're just not people who believe in centralized governments. That's why you have FATA

KP has always been integrated into Pakistan . It's only tolo news that tells you otherwise by beating a dead horse like Durand line . As for FATA their integration into the country has just started .

This tribal region of Pakistan just got a little more Pakistani | TRT World

That's not an issue as very few people actually live there which will be brought into mainstream eventually .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

People with common culture tend to do that at times . Though normally they identity with their country first . Knowing your 24/7 butthurt anti-Pakistan tone you probably made that up .

Ok but that runs contrary to your original statement, it means it wasn't factual/accurate ....not sure why you insist on making excuses, be a a dignified person and admit you were deliberately misrepresenting things.

Balochistan rebels weren't that big in number . Or else you would be seeing 30-40k people marching on the streets protesting like it happens in Kashmir . Pashtun nationalism didn't even had a take off . It was you trying to stir it up during the 60's only to be given a bloody nose by the tribals themselves

If that was true the level of military response is unusually disporitionate. Which suggests it isn't true.

You have Pashtun Nationalist parties, what are you talking about? lol

KP has always been integrated into Pakistan . It's only tolo news that tells you otherwise by beating a dead horse like Durand line . As for FATA their integration into the country has just started .

I said FATA ...but even here, not true, since most tribals don't really interface with the Government much.

That's not an issue as very few people actually live there which will be brought into mainstream eventually .

Pakistani nationalists only rely on "eventuallys" to sleep at night. A' Little More" Pakistan means they're not very Pakistani. Not centralized. If you're willing to change your narrative before, who knows what lies you tell yourself?

[Pakistan]

Ok but that runs contrary to your original statement, it means it wasn't factual/accurate ....not sure why you insist on making excuses, be a a dignified person and admit you were deliberately misrepresenting things.






If that was true the level of military response is unusually disporitionate. Which suggests it isn't true.

You have Pashtun Nationalist parties, what are you talking about? lol




I said FATA ...but even here, not true, since most tribals don't really interface with the Government much.






Pakistani nationalists only rely on "eventuallys" to sleep at night. A' Little More" Pakistan means they're not very Pakistani. Not centralized. If you're willing to change your narrative before, who knows what lies you tell yourself?

Ok but that runs contrary to your original statement, it means it wasn't factual/accurate ....not sure why you insist on making excuses, be a a dignified person and admit you were deliberately misrepresenting things.

Why make up a statement in the first place when it wasn't true ?

If that was true the level of military response is unusually disporitionate. Which suggests it isn't true.

Here is how a rebellion looks like .



Military presence is important because of its strategic location , Raw involvement and Baloch rebel presence (which has dwindled at an all time low ) .

You have Pashtun Nationalist parties, what are you talking about? lol

Which nationalist party claims it wants independence ? Nobody .

Pakistani nationalists only rely on "eventuallys" to sleep at night. A' Little More" Pakistan means they're not very Pakistani. Not centralized. If you're willing to change your narrative before, who knows what lies you tell yourself?

Pakistan has its share of faults . What's important is that we are moving in the right direction .

[Traveller]

Pakistan has its share of faults.

I never thought I would live to see the day you said this.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Why make up a statement in the first place when it wasn't true ?

You tell me you're the one who said one thing and then your counter contradicts it. My hypothesis for why you did it is ....Low self esteem, desperation save face on the internet because of a sense of insecurity ....your whole motivation for being here right?

Here is how a rebellion looks like .

Looks a lot like this....

[Pakistan has its share of faults . What's important is that we are moving in the right direction .

Blind optimism is self deception; you're heading towards a civil war and you don't even realize i

Military presence is important because of its strategic location , Raw involvement and Baloch rebel presence (which has dwindled at an all time low ) .

Which means it's not just a "few rebels" heh. That's some double talk level denial right there.

[RoohMalang]

Vah Vah!

Ye Afghan quam itni nafrat karti he Pakistani se. Mujay to kahbi samaj ne aye.Nafrat kis cheez ki yaar?

Sab ne maar na he, aur baad me ye mulak Pakistan aur Afghanistan bhi mit jaye ge dunya se. Kya faida kisi ke sath larai kar ne ki?

Bus dono mulak ki awam ek dusro ko nuksaan aur buraa bolte he. Isme kisi ka faida ne he.

Zindagi bhi boht choti he. Ye cheez'on me dilchaspi le kar konsa Islam ya apne zaat par ye logh ehsani kar re he?

Jo bhi musaalman apnay dil me nafrat rak tha he, woh Islam ko kese kabool kar sak tha he?

[PakMan]

Vah Vah!

Ye Afghan quam itni nafrat karti he Pakistani se. Mujay to kahbi samaj ne aye.Nafrat kis cheez ki yaar?

Sab ne maar na he, aur baad me ye mulak Pakistan aur Afghanistan bhi mit jaye ge dunya se. Kya faida kisi ke sath larai kar ne ki?

Bus dono mulak ki awam ek dusro ko nuksaan aur buraa bolte he. Isme kisi ka faida ne he.

Zindagi bhi boht choti he. Ye cheez'on me dilchaspi le kar konsa Islam ya apne zaat par ye logh ehsani kar re he?

Jo bhi musaalman apnay dil me nafrat rak tha he, woh Islam ko kese kabool kar sak tha he?

Awwwww,
Bro relaaaaaaxxxx
See of all the emotions a human can have, Afghanistanis have just one that's ANGER/FRUSTRATION and they have to express it.

They can't hate India, although their only claim to fame is those couple of guys who invaded part of India back in the day, India literally feeds Afghanistanis their elders their mothers their daughters their children their wives all are fed by Indian Hindus and by doing that India so beautifully adds insult to Afghan injury.

They can't hate China coz China is just too big to fit in their microscopic imagination lmao

Central Asians and Iranians doesn't even consider them as humans they deem Afghanistanis as radioactive hence they have completely insulated themselves.

So these morons turned to us since they are clinically insane and lack the capacity to process information in their heads.

And for us it's a blessing in disguise we'll keep whatever little brain they have engaged and won't allow them to get out of this anti Pakistan mindset and think freely and rationally hence keeping them as our colony for the foreseeable future..

[Pakistan]

You tell me you're the one who said one thing and then your counter contradicts it. My hypothesis for why you did it is ....Low self esteem, desperation save face on the internet because of a sense of insecurity ....your whole motivation for being here right?





Looks a lot like this....








Blind optimism is self deception; you're heading towards a civil war and you don't even realize i




Which means it's not just a "few rebels" heh. That's some double talk level denial right there.

You tell me you're the one who said one thing and then your counter contradicts it. My hypothesis for why you did it is ....Low self esteem, desperation save face on the internet because of a sense of insecurity ....your whole motivation for being here right?

Desperation is you trying to open two threads on the same topic hoping to form a narrative because you couldn't handle seeing all those recent articles about us being the next big thing .

Looks a lot like this....

Nobody gives a crap about JUI- F . Pakistan has never elected religious parties in power .

74pc Fata people want merger with KP, repeal of FCR | Pakistan | thenews.com.pk

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas’ (Fata) three-fourth population is supporting the move of integrating their tribal areas with the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province and also has demand of the federal government to repeal the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR) that was enforced by British rulers decades ago for oppressing the people of these areas and which deprive them from some of their basic rights.

The Fata Research Centre on Wednesday released here a study titled “Governance Reforms in Fata: A People’s Perspective” at a time when a heated debate is ensuing in the country regarding the type of new governance system to be introduced in Fata.

The event was attended by the KP provincial Minister Anisa Zeb TahirKheli, Ambassador Federal Republic of Germany Ina Lepel, former Governor KP Engr. Shaukat Ullah, Member of National Assembly Shehryar Afridi (PTI), Justice (R) Mian Ajmal, Afrasiab Khattak (ANP) along with diplomatic staff from different countries and representatives from different research institutes and other stakeholders.

Authored by Dr Sadia Sulaiman and Dr. Syed Adnan Ali Shah, the research study focuses on future of governance reforms in Fata and highlights Fata people’s perspective in this regard. The study is based on data extracted through poll surveys, in-depth interviews, focused groups discussions and consultative workshops to ascertain the perspectives of indigenous populace.

Dr Sadia Sulaiman stated that poll survey shows that 74 percent of the respondents (54 pc fully, while 20 pc partially) endorsed the option of merging Fata into KP. Conversely, 18 pc of the respondents fully disagreed with the idea of merger.

Blind optimism is self deception; you're heading towards a civil war and you don't even realize i

Really ? I would love to see some articles on that .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Desperation is you trying to open two threads on the same topic hoping to form a narrative because you couldn't handle seeing all those recent articles about us being the next big thing .

No desperation is you JOINING a forum because you couldn't sleep at night over what people said on this forum. Even Samandri posted a facebook screenshot where you were whining about this forum lol

Nobody gives a crap about JUI- F . Pakistan has never elected religious parties in power .

Awww excuses excuses.

74pc Fata people want merger with KP, repeal of FCR | Pakistan | thenews.com.pk


The Fata Research Centre on Wednesday released here a study titled “Governance Reforms in Fata: A People’s Perspective” at a time when a heated debate is ensuing in the country regarding the type of new governance system to be introduced in Fata.

Here's the actual site for this Centre's study

http://frc.org.pk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Final-Book-w-w-p.pdf

Here's the link to the actual study. On Page 137 it says 72 percent of RESPONDENTS, not 75% of FATA. Two Completely different sample spaces.. We don't know how much confirmation bias or cherry oicking was taken by the individuals conducting the study or their research methodology. The article is morphing word "respondendents" into "population" show the change in terms has more propaganda motive than truth reporting.

This is face palm worthy.

Really ? I would love to see some articles on that

Ok



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