Pashtun Lieutenant Generals in Pakistan?

[khushal]

the reason is simple.
promotions in napak army are done when the lower ranking officers offer their wives to their superiors to sleep with, in exchange they get promoted..

it was mentioned by luffy quite a while ago on this forum.

Many pakis claim that Ayub Khan, Zahir Shah, and the Shah of Iran used to wife swap.
What up with pakis and stories of wife swapping? Wierd

[maneatinglizard]

Many pakis claim that Ayub Khan, Zahir Shah, and the Shah of Iran used to wife swap.
What up with pakis and stories of wife swapping? Wierd

Because it actually happens among Pakistani elites. There's an interview with one of the guys who used to organize swinging parties back in the 80's on the net. He talks about hosting swinging parties for 5 years while Zia ul-Haq was in power, and how they had many politicians and their families partaking in the activities. He implies that upper class Pakistanis are basically inspired by old Hindu views of sex.

The worse part of the interview is when the degenerate is asked about how he can look at himself as a Muslim after what he did. He's completely unrepentant and claims he's never hurt anyone, even though he says that he ended the parties because a dancer died from a heroin overdose while at one of them.

[Samandri]

Wife-swapping? swinging parties? ......why any one in the Army would do that?.

Its exploitation thing in Pakistan army. I was talking about Junior officers sending their wives to the beds of senior officers to get promotion. Junior officers without fauji background and connections, have hard time getting promotions in the army and senior officers of high ranks take advantage of it. I am told it happens in Pakistan army but God knows the truth.

During selection process of officers cadres, the "ghairati" ones are not considered. Questions are asked in the interview to check if the person is swayed by ghairat. They ensure that Army officer has to be a person with minimum amount of ghairat...after selection, they are "cultured" in Angraiz way. Many of them succumb to beghairati.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Pakistan army is the remnant of British Indian army, it is a colonial institute which still rules the country.

[toughpashtun]

Wife-swapping? swinging parties? ......why any one in the Army would do that?.

Its exploitation thing in Pakistan army. I was talking about Junior officers sending their wives to the beds of senior officers to get promotion. Junior officers without fauji background and connections, have hard time getting promotions in the army and senior officers of high ranks take advantage of it. I am told it happens in Pakistan army but God knows the truth.

During selection process of officers cadres, the "ghairati" ones are not considered. Questions are asked in the interview to check if the person is swayed by ghairat. They ensure that Army officer has to be a person with minimum amount of ghairat...after selection, they are "cultured" in Angraiz way. Many of them succumb to beghairati.

You are one to fall for propoganda especially since its what 'you're told but God knows the truth'.
[MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION] , the fact of the matter is that our people are great for making up stuff and enjoy doing so , "Khabaray jorawal" as they say in Pashto.
Our army does have elements of nepotism in it as does any institution but you are venturing too far over here.
The days of officers becoming 'Angraiz' are long gone now.The atmosphere is different now.
And what are your standards for measuring ghairat?Is there a scale of some sort?Do you know of any tests performed to determine how ghairati a person is?

[maneatinglizard]

You are one to fall for propoganda especially since its what 'you're told but God knows the truth'.
[MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION] , the fact of the matter is that our people are great for making up stuff and enjoy doing so , "Khabaray jorawal" as they say in Pashto.
Our army does have elements of nepotism in it as does any institution but you are venturing too far over here.
The days of officers becoming 'Angraiz' are long gone now.The atmosphere is different now.
And what are your standards for measuring ghairat?Is there a scale of some sort?Do you know of any tests performed to determine how ghairati a person is?

Any modern, Western-style army is going to avoid ghairatmand people. As I've mentioned before, the most important qualities in soldiers of modern armies are unwavering loyalty and being able to quickly follow orders. Ghairat, or any other quality that may cause someone to think twice about an order, or even outright disobey it, is not something a Western-style army wants. That's the same reason why you see modern armies act in such deplorable ways whenever there's any hint of command breakdown.

This isn't just a Pakistani thing. I live in a city with a big military presence (there's a navy base and air force base here, as well as a huge army base about an hour away), so I know a lot of people who have been a part of the US military. And almost all of them were really screwed up in one way or another. Pretty much the only guy I've known who wasn't messed up was a paramedic.

I'm not trying to say that everyone in any military is a bad person (you seem like a respectable person mashallah), but those are the kinds of people they want. Same with police.

[toughpashtun]

Any modern, Western-style army is going to avoid ghairatmand people. As I've mentioned before, the most important qualities in soldiers of modern armies are unwavering loyalty and being able to quickly follow orders. Ghairat, or any other quality that may cause someone to think twice about an order, or even outright disobey it, is not something a Western-style army wants. That's the same reason why you see modern armies act in such deplorable ways whenever there's any hint of command breakdown.

This isn't just a Pakistani thing. I live in a city with a big military presence (there's a navy base and air force base here, as well as a huge army base about an hour away), so I know a lot of people who have been a part of the US military. And almost all of them were really screwed up in one way or another. Pretty much the only guy I've known who wasn't messed up was a paramedic.

I'm not trying to say that everyone in any military is a bad person (you seem like a respectable person mashallah), but those are the kinds of people they want. Same with police.

You're right that one quality which is highly sought after in a recruit is the ability to follow any order in the blink of an eye , without thinking twice or even questioning the moral and ethical issues that may arise.
That is a certain type of mindset where you think of your superior as the end of the world and cannot even fathom any sort of disobedience.

However the manner in which [MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION] expressed his post seemed exaggerated and untrue.To say that the type of people selected in army are those who offer their wifes to their seniors , is not correct.(some might be be ghairat enough to be able to do so but not the norm).
Police is a very corrupt force in Pakistan , financially , morally and ethically.