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Originally posted by Karachi
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No you did not, you said most practising Muslims. Stop lying.----------
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Originally posted by Karachi View Post
No doubt violance is allowed in Islam and all religions of the world for self defence, against oppression etc and most sane people agree with that stance. The line is drawn when the violance is used to oppress others and used for the wrong reason. Give me examples from Quran where senseless violance is encouraged?
Being passive in the face of opression, letting the powerful exploit the weak etc is not considered noble by anyone. There is a time when to being passive and non violance can bring better results but other times the use of violance is necessary. God will decide who used violance for the right and wrong reassons.
ISIS are Khawarij and outside the fold of Islam so they aren't muslims. Having said that humans can and have justified wrong actions throughout human history, from Nazis justifying the killing of Jews to European colonialists killing 95 million native Americans to muslims rulers like Taimur killing for his own ego. ISIS are using Islam or misinterpreting Islam to justify their own stance eventhough majority of muslims don't agree with them.Comment
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Thank you, at least you are honest, rather then saying the same bs like others that Islam is peace etc...Originally posted by Shapur View Post
I agree that others religions have violence too, however the difference is, majority of other religious people have grown out of that phase and people from those religions dont really follow the religion by the book, unlike many muslims who want sharia law every where, this is the big difference
Also brother, there is no difference between violence and senseless violence, if you look at many of those verses, many are just generically violent against the non believers. They have nothing to do with being oppressed or war times. If you read the whole of Quran from A to Z, you will figure out how the whole book is designed to go against non muslims and their ways. I will post examples later once I come home
Also to your last point, in the early days of ISIS, many muslims were cheering for them, it was only when they started killing Sunni Muslims, people turned against themComment
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Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
No so called Khalifahs were good, all of them harassed and killed out almost all the non muslims. Just read few items in Sharia law please, then you will see how non muslims are supposed to be treatedComment
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Nonsense, if that was the case there would be no Christians in Spain Muslims ruled for nearly a thousand years you think they could not ethnic cleanse?? If that was the case there would no Hindus as Muslims conquered Hindustan and did not engage in ethnic cleansing, if that was the case there wouldnt be any Christians in Arabia or north Africa, Muslims could have easily erased them, the list goes on, so i guess your talking the same BS again with no credibility. compulsive liar again and again.Originally posted by Karachi View Post----------
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Originally posted by KarachiComment
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I don't read 'a few items' like an idiot, i read the whole thing before making a conclusion. Try it some time. Mr.Patel fake Ex Islamic scholar.----------
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Originally posted by KarachiComment
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Idiot, Christians were kicked out of Spain and took it back from Muslims, go read history before posting. Thousands and thousands hindus were killed in India, even muslims themselves record this by glorifying it, thousands of Sikhs were killed, including their major Gurus, the list goes on and on, no Christians are there in Arabia you idiot, the present day Europeans are just invited their to work by the royals, local Christian/Jews were wiped out long ago. Same goes to your Afghanistan, why are there no Jews, Christians, Buddhists left in your country? even the some hindus left live mostly in fear.Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
Face the reality, no non muslim would ever want to experience or live in Sharia land, it's a horrible system for people, People naturally want to live in a free world, this is why so many migrate to the west to begin with. You are defending something, that even you dont agree with in your heartLast edited by Karachi; 03-06-2017, 03:22 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by Karachi View Post
More nonsense, speaking to you is really the same as speaking to a child. You are confusing deaths of war with ethnic cleansing, two completely different things. When the Muslims took over spain they did not genocide or ethnic cleanse the local population, however when the Christians invaded Spain after a thousand years they butchered everyone. Same with you hindus in india, ottoman era etc. Go and research some basics and come back because you are really ignorant of A-Z in anything.
Bottom line is you don't even know what you are talking about, you have no credible or reliable information, everything you say is just opinions, lies and deception. Just the average Joe Islamophobe that came about after 9/11..thing is after 15 years even the most racist and Islamopheobic people have changed their arguments by now yet your still repeating the same back and fourths, either you are an idiot or you have some sort of medical condition which disables you from acknowledging anything that doesnt fit your narrative.----------
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Originally posted by KarachiComment
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Lol wars? who started those wars idiot? It was muslims who went in to those territories doing Jihad, you are denying your own brutal history you idiot, all areas saw massacres. This is why Persians to this day are pissed off with Arabs, because they massacred persians. It's true every where, even your own sources record this and no body has changed their opinion, in fact more and more people have realized what political Islam's goal is, this is why people like Trump and nationalists in Europe have been elected to begin with, to stop the radical muslimsOriginally posted by Manzareh View PostComment
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Oh is that why trump was elected. Hahahaha so now your into conspiracy theory's too, You come straight out a comic book khar bachiyaOriginally posted by Karachi View Post
So now you want to drift the subject of 'starting wars' because you have no comeback for my comment proving you that your ancestors were spared due to Islamic justice, you woulda been wiped off the map very easily, so be thankful the empires have you mercy and let you practice your relgion otherwise you wouldn't even be here.----------
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Originally posted by KarachiComment
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Another fictional quote by the biggest lier going. Coward, never speaks the truth, everything is deception and dirty tactics. There are over a million Christians in Syria over 11million Christians in Egypt, there's much more in Jordan, Palestine etc. You have ZERO intelligence.Originally posted by Karachi View Post----------
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Originally posted by KarachiComment
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You must be the dumbest person here, Christians only survived in few of those areas because they paid Jaziya, but they were humiliated and harassed all the time, just like some minorities still living in muslim lands, this is the reason non muslims have such dislike of muslims in those landsOriginally posted by Manzareh View PostComment
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Islamic violence from with in, so many muslims killed by muslims
Violence is an intrinsic part of Islam’s source texts and Islamic history.
There are conflicting reports about the nature of Muhammad’s death. Some Muslims insist it was a natural death while others (including Muhammad himself ) believed he was poisoned by a Jewish woman (probably a convert to Islam). Some even accuse Abu Bakr and Omar of plotting to assassinate Muhammad towards the end of his life. The Muslims’ split regarding succession surfaced immediately after their leader’s death and remains unresolved up to the present day. Abu Bakr’s era was marked with the a blood bath ( the Ridda wars) on a scale Arabia never experienced before.
• The third rightly guided Caliph Uthman, was badly tortured and murdered in a horrific way by fellow Muslims in the year 656 AD. The uprising against Uthman was instigated by Ayesha, who accused him of becoming a kafir who must be killed! Ironically, she later used Uthman’s murder to instigate another uprising against the next Caliph, Ali, whom she accused of being not harsh enough against the murderers.
• In 656 AD, Ayesha led a failed rebellion against Ali, the fourth rightly guided Caliph. As a result, over ten thousand Muslims were killed by fellow Muslims in the battle of ‘the Camel’.
• In 657AD, seventy thousands of Muslims were killed by fellow Muslims when Muaweya led a rebellion against the fourth rightly guided Caliph Ali.
• In 659 AD, the fourth rightly guided Caliph Ali had to suppress another rebellion by fellow Muslims at ‘the Nahrawan’ battle. Again, thousands of Muslims were killed by fellow Muslims.
• The fourth rightly guided Caliph Ali was murdered by fellow Muslims in 661 AD while praying in a mosque in Kufa (in Iraq)
• Caliph Al Hassan Ibn Ali ( Muhammad’s grandson) was in effect forced to abdicate only six months after his reign and was poisoned (instigated by Muaweya) and died in Medina in 670 AD
• Imam Al Hussain Ibn Ali ( Muhammad’s youngest grandson) was killed with vengeance, and beheaded, in 680 AD by Muslim troops acting on order of Yazid Ibn Muaweya. Seventy three members of his family (almost all of Muhammad’s descendants) were also murdered that same day.
The Umayyad’s Era
• In 683 AD, 11,000 Muslims were killed by fellow Muslims in Medina. Yazid Ibn Muaweya, the Umayyad Caliph, dispatched his ruthless general Muslim Ibn Ukba to suppress an uprising in Medina. The general “istabaha” (an Islamic term that means “to allow” with no consequent punishment) the city for three days, allowing his soldiers to do whatever they wished of killing, looting etc. Muslim Ibn Ukba converted Muhammad’s mosque, which is the second holiest mosque in Islam, to a stable for his horses to eat, drink, urinate and defecate (imagine if America does that).
• In 684 AD, the Umayyad army proceeded to Mecca. The Kaaba was bombarded with ‘manjaniq’ (a projectile throwing device, or catapult, used to destroy castles and walls) and burnt.
• In 685 AD Caliph Marwan Ibn Al Hakam was killed by fellow Muslims.
• Again in 692 AD, the Umayyad Caliph Abdul Malik Ibn Marwan sent his ruthless general Al Hajjaj Ibn Yousif who surrounded the city of Mecca and bombarded Kaaba with ‘manjaniq’.
• In 692 Abdulla Ibn Zubair, who was a great Sahaba and highly esteemed figure with many followers in Medina and Mecca (who recognised him as the true Caliph) was killed by fellow Muslims.
• In 720 AD, the Umayyad Caliph Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz was killed by fellow Muslims.
• In 740 AD, the Umayyad Caliph Hisham Ibn Abdul Malik ordered the killing of Zaid Ibn Ali (a direct descendant of Muhammad). The body was crucified and placed on the gallows completely naked, some say for years.
• In 744AD, the Umayyad Caliph Al Waleed Ibn Yazid was killed by fellow Muslims.
• In 750 AD, the Umayyad Caliph Ibrahim Ibn Al Waleed was killed by fellow Muslims
• In 750 AD, The last Umayyad Caliph, Marwan II was killed by fellow Muslims
The Abbassid’s Era
• The first Abbasid Caliph, Abul Abbas Al Saffah (Arabic for butcher) arranged for an “Islamic style” dinner party and invited all the remaining Umayyads for reconciliation and start a new page. He ordered his men to have all of the Umayyads tied and killed (about 300 of them, all Muslims) before serving the first course of dinner to the rest of his Muslim guests.
• About a thousand years later, Muhammad Ali of Egypt used the same trick to get rid of the Mamluks in Egypt. On first of March 1811 AD, Muhammad Ali invited the Mamluk’s dignitaries for a dinner party at the Citadel in Cairo and killed all of them. The next day, he ordered his soldiers to continue the genocide by hunting the rest of the low ranking Mamluks. Thousands were killed and the Mamluks vanished from Egypt and from history.
• In 813 AD, the Abased Caliph Al Amin was killed by fellow Muslims working under the command of his brother Al Ma’mun. Scores of Muslims were killed by fellow Muslims as a result of the years-long power struggle between the two brothers.
• In 861 AD, the Abased Caliph Al-Mutawakkil was killed by a fellow Muslim ( his guard).
• In 862 AD, the Abased Caliph Al-Muntasir was poisoned and killed by fellow Muslims.
• In 866 AD, the Abased Caliph Al-Musta’in was killed by fellow Muslims.
• In 869 AD, the Abased Caliph Al-Mu’tazz was tortured for three days in the scorching heat of midsummer, without water or food, until died.
• In 870 AD, the Abased caliph Al-Muhtadi was killed by fellow Muslims.
• In 932 AD, the Abased Caliph Al Muqtadir was slain outside his palace in Baghdad, by fellow Muslims.
• In 934 AD, the Abased Caliph Al Qahir, was blinded and imprisoned by fellow Muslims. He was released eleven years later to become a beggar in the streets of Baghdad.
• Before his death in 968 AD, the Abbassid Caliph Al Mutaqi was deposed and blinded by fellow Muslims.
• The Abbassid Caliph al-Mustakfi,who died in 949 AD, was also deprived of sight and deposed.
The Ottoman’s Era
• The Ottomans invaded the Middle East, which was already a Muslim land, resulting in the death of tens of thousands of Muslims at the hands of fellow Muslims.
• In 1389 AD, after the sudden death of the Muslim Ottoman Sultan Murad I, his Muslim son Bayezid arranged for his Muslim brother Yakub to be strangled leaving him the sole claimant to throne.
• The Muslim Ottoman Sultan Murad II (1404-1451 AD) arrested and killed his young Muslim brother Mustafa.
• In 1574 AD, Sultan Murad III started his reign by having all his five brothers killed by strangulating them.
• The Muslim Sultan Mehmed III, who reigned from 1595 to 1603, killed all his Muslim brothers (that is all 19 of them!) to secure power.Comment
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these figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.
Africa
Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
120 million Africans
Christians
The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:
60 million Christians
Hindus
Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”
80 million Hindus
Buddhists
Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam) everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.] 10 million Buddhists
Jews
Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.
Tears of Jihad - Political IslamComment
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Really to say islam = Peace has to be the biggest lie ever in history, I mean forget all the above, just look at the verses in Quran and HadithsComment
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