Muslim Trouble making

[Manzareh]

lol. ya sure you do, I can give you a whole list of Indians that are rich there, you can't provide anything

The owner of Dubai lagoon is a Billionaire Pakistani, that just one top of my head. Millionaire is nothing in Dubai not sure why you find that shocking. Although the subject was more on the contrary how you Indians are toilet cleaners, rubbish collectors street sweepers etc but Pakistanis aren't. It was a question in reference to what you said earlier about Arabs and respect.

[Charsi Malang]

Idiot, everyone knows that original language is the most closes to the meanings in holy books, arabic is the original language of Quran. same way jews use Hebrew for their books rather then English. Arabs are way more literate then average pathan or paki anyways, most arabs understand Islam/quran way better then average paki or pashtuns, I am not talking about practicing, I am talking about understanding, two very different things

Pashtuns are not respected by anyone, be it arabs, westerners, or even Pakis for that matter. I dont know what are you talking about. Most people associate you with bacha bazi, terrorism, drugs etc... Just look at the number of pashtusns that are executed in Saudi Arabia on drug charges

What a load of croc. Pashtuns are loved by most people- even our enemies respected us. Who on Earth respects your kind? The ones that show hate towards us are jealous and secretly wish they were Pashtun. With your uncanny obsession with Pashtuns, who knows? Maybe you secretly wish you were one of us. Believe me I would never in a million years want to be of your ethnicity- and I don't even know what race you are.

[Karachi]

The owner of Dubai lagoon is a Billionaire Pakistani, that just one top of my head. Millionaire is nothing in Dubai not sure why you find that shocking. Although the subject was more on the contrary how you Indians are toilet cleaners, rubbish collectors street sweepers etc but Pakistanis aren't. It was a question in reference to what you said earlier about Arabs and respect.

most Pakistanis are doing dirty jobs in Dubai, and Gulf, while Indians are doing every type of Job from the top too bottom, that is the difference

Also no, Dubai Lagoon? lol since when? I didn't find anything on the internet, and how do you know he is a billionaire lol, Dubai Lagoon was a failed project anyways, lol, probably because of Pakis

[Karachi]

What a load of croc. Pashtuns are loved by most people- even our enemies respected us. Who on Earth respects your kind? The ones that show hate towards us are jealous and secretly wish they were Pashtun. With your uncanny obsession with Pashtuns, who knows? Maybe you secretly wish you were one of us. Believe me I would never in a million years want to be of your ethnicity- and I don't even know what race you are.

Brother, somebody has stuff your head with BS, Pashtuns are not respected , just look at the news from around world regarding Pashtuns. it only talks about terrorism, bacha bazi, drugs etc... I know it's unfair, but that is the image

[Manzareh]

The real practicing muslims are the one who support Sharia and want Sharia, simple as that. Sharia is Islamic law, if you dont want it, you can't be a practicing muslim, doesn't matter how many times you pray. Most scholars/imam will tell you this

Most scholars/imams will tell you this, how many is most??? Liar.

A practicing Muslim is one that believes in the 5 pillars of Islam. Your telling me a Muslim that prays regularly, abstains from haram and conducts himself in Islamic etiquette is not a practicing Muslim unless he pushes for shariah law to be established where he/she is residing?

[Charsi Malang]

They make way more then that, of course majority of muslims dont really follow Islam fully, they select some (peaceful) parts and this is why they are not violent, but if they follow most things in the Koran and hadiths, they will become like ISIS

Since you are chatting so much poo about Arabs, Arabic language etc, i take it you have read the Quran in classical Arabic, and understood every word and concept, and meaning behind it. Or are you just spewing crap like everything else you type?

[Karachi]

Most scholars/imams will tell you this, how many is most??? Liar.

A practicing Muslim is one that believes in the 5 pillars of Islam. Your telling me a Muslim that prays regularly, abstains from haram and conducts himself in Islamic etiquette is not a practicing Muslim unless he pushes for shariah law to be established where he/she is residing?

5 pillars are the basic thing in Islam, if you practice 5 pillars, but then dont believe in Sharia, then you are not a proper muslim, sorry

Do you believe in Sharia? if not, what kind of a muslim are you? lol

[Manzareh]

most Pakistanis are doing dirty jobs in Dubai, and Gulf, while Indians are doing every type of Job from the top too bottom, that is the difference

Also no, Dubai Lagoon? lol since when? I didn't find anything on the internet, and how do you know he is a billionaire lol, Dubai Lagoon was a failed project anyways, lol, probably because of Pakis

You said there wasn't a single millionaire Pakistani in Dubai, I gave you an example of a billionaire..instead of being a man with honour and admitting your false accusation you try and divert the topic away in talking about one of the projects he did. Lol you are really a coward, half of a man.

[Karachi]

Since you are chatting so much poo about Arabs, Arabic language etc, i take it you have read the Quran in classical Arabic, and understood every word and concept, and meaning behind it. Or are you just spewing crap like everything else you type?

No I haven't, but I never claimed to be a scholar. I have studied under a Arab teacher from Al Azhar University though, some 11-12 years ago. I was deeply in to Islam back then

[Karachi]

You said there wasn't a single millionaire Pakistani in Dubai, I gave you an example of a billionaire..instead of being a man with honour and admitting your false accusation you try and divert the topic away in talking about one of the projects he did. Lol you are really a coward, half of a man.

where is the example? what is his name? you just gave me Dubai Lagoon, on the internet it says nothing about some Pakistani owner

[Manzareh]

5 pillars are the basic thing in Islam, if you practice 5 pillars, but then dont believe in Sharia, then you are not a proper muslim, sorry

Do you believe in Sharia? if not, what kind of a muslim are you? lol

Why you running from questions? You said most imaams, how many imams is most???

You ignored this: Your telling me a Muslim that prays regularly, abstains from haram and conducts himself in Islamic etiquette is not a practicing Muslim unless he pushes for shariah law to be established where he/she is residing?

In your opinion is that or is that not a practicing Muslim?

[Charsi Malang]

Brother, somebody has stuff your head with BS, Pashtuns are not respected , just look at the news from around world regarding Pashtuns. it only talks about terrorism, bacha bazi, drugs etc... I know it's unfair, but that is the image

On the contrary. On a local and personal level we are appreciated a hell of a lot more than you are trying to portray- you really don't know what you are on about. I've hardly ever faced problems and everyone that knows me, knows my ethnicity.

All the negative things you have mentioned about us comes from media reports. I wonder why? The "image" you are trying to convince me of is in fact completely false. Most people who associate with our kind will tell you that.

[Manzareh]

No I haven't, but I never claimed to be a scholar. I have studied under a Arab teacher from Al Azhar University though, some 11-12 years ago. I was deeply in to Islam back then

So why do you give opinions on what makes a Muslim a real Muslim if you are no scholar.

Also you are and always was a Hindu from Utter Pradesh, stop lying. How can you be deeply into Islam if your knowledge is so shallow. Nonsense who you fooling.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Complete rubbish. It is not a "normal" thing. I've been to many mosques-I've never heard hatred directed towards non Muslims or Jews. You must have been going to the wrong mosques.

Don't engage lol. Karachi is going through some phase or compensating for something else going on or possibly an agent provocateur.

The forum is replete with back and forths with him. The gist of his arguments that have consistently been rebutted are

1. Islam is somehow special in its just war theory vs say the just war theories of Aquinas etc that pretty much spawned centuries of violence in the name of Christianity.

When confronted with biblical verses and actual historical acts, many of which took place in recent memory he merely dodged the rebuttal and just restated his original instigation.

2. Islamic violence of today is offensive not in any way defensive and in no way relates to sociopolitical events/neocolonial conflict

Once again, despite countless texts to the contrary by those far more informed than many here (e.g. Scheuer, Pape, Greenwald, etc) being presented merely once again resulted in him outright dismissing their arguments with the classic "anecdote trumps statistics and evidence- my life experiences that no one has proof of are the gold standard."

3. The Islam is Arab imperialism arguments that Soldat Amir used to try his best to pitch here (despite the near millennium rule and Caliphate of the Turks being a pesky historical counterweight that even a 12th grader would have thought of before making an asinine argument).


My only suggestion would be that if you do take him on that the Moderators perhaps consider the following approach:

If he makes an argument and someone rebuts it or provides counter evidence - that his replies be filtered/moderated to force him to reply and provide a response (like for instance, his rape map above was actually reasonable and could stoke discussion).

If he fails to do so (which is most of the time) then his replies do not make it past the filter and his account gets frozen until he manages some reasonable evidence based response or concedes the point.

This would not be muzzling him because he would have the right to respond but the quality of his response would be assessed. Linking to polemics like "answering Islam" or "Islam sucks.org" would be an example of something that would be filtered out.

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Otherwise, don't waste time on this guy. It was semi fun at first to send him back to the pokey with his figurative tail between his legs but at this point its embarrassing to have to deal with his internal dialogue again and again.

[Manzareh]

where is the example? what is his name? you just gave me Dubai Lagoon, on the internet it says nothing about some Pakistani owner

If i provide you with his name then what? You admit your a imbecile and throw random facts about your never sure of ?? If so and youl do that then I'll go and find his name.