Debunking the Migrant Rape Propaganda

[Karachi]

Religion is not the only factor responsible for the construction of a society's culture. These men commit such crimes because they have gotten away with it in the past and believe they will get away with it again, not that despite being in a western society, they are unable to make themselves behave or have no control over their actions.

Yes, but religion is to blame for the justification part of the problem, correct? Rape of Non muslim women is allowed in Islam, and in the minds of these jihadis, they are at war with non muslims

[DaZahroJaam.]

Yes, but religion is to blame for the justification part of the problem, correct? Rape of Non muslim women is allowed in Islam, and in the minds of these jihadis, they are at war with non muslims

That is because the jurisdiction is a fabricated one. In which sane muslim society is raping of another human being permissible?? As far as I know, I don't think there is any religion in the world that allows that. Can you give me a reference to rape of non Muslim women being permissible in Islam?? A version different than that of isis, of course.

Jurisdiction systems based on religion don't work because they are fabricated and manipulated. That's why we object to them. So then how can we say that a system that we don't believe in, in it's self, holds the power to force people in committing crimes like rape of non Muslim women. That's not the religion, that's the people who are manipulating the religion.
That's like saying a gun is faulty because it does not shoot and then finishing up with putting the same gun up as evidence to a murder with a bullet shot.

[Karachi]

That is because the jurisdiction is a fabricated one. In which sane muslim society is raping of another human being permissible?? As far as I know, I don't think there is any religion in the world that allows that. Can you give me a reference to rape of non Muslim women being permissible in Islam?? A version different than that of isis, of course.

Jurisdiction systems based on religion don't work because they are fabricated and manipulated. That's why we object to them. So then how can we say that a system that we don't believe in, in it's self, holds the power to force people in committing crimes like rape of non Muslim women. That's not the religion, that's the people who are manipulating the religion.
That's like saying a gun is faulty because it does not shoot and then finishing up with putting the same gun up as evidence to a murder with a bullet shot.

Rape of war booty is defiantly allowed, no questions about it. There are many many sources:THE DIVINE AUTHORIZATION OF RAPE IN ISLAM | DEFENSE MISSION JERICHO

^ actually forget about the above article, just ask for the meaning of " right hand possess" which is repeated in the Quran over and over. Both Slavery and rape of non muslims women are allowed, especially when they are at war with them.

Even when muslims are ruling over non muslims, they are actually suppose to make them pay taxes in a a humiliating way. The (humiliation) in this could mean many things to different people, rape being one of them.

Islamic state has always been brutal through out history, anyone questioning this just needs to look at Islamic sources themselves

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Yes muslims are very innocent:

German police: It's an Arab rape game called Taharrush, and now it has come to Europe



After the NYE mass assaults against women in several European cities, the German Federal Criminal Police Office, BKA, now say that the Arab "rape game" Taharrush has established itself in Europe, reports the German newspaper Die Welt.

In addition to the events in Cologne, police in Berlin, Hamburg, Bielefeld, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf and Stuttgart have reported of similar incidents. In addition, police in Vienna and Salzburg in Austria and Zurich in Switzerland have raised the alarm about similar mass assaults against women by newly arrived Arab migrants. Also Sweden and Finland experienced the same on New Year's Eve.

- The attacks range from sexual molestation to rape, says head of BKA, Holger Münch.

The "rape game" Taharrush is about a large group of Arab men surrounding their victim, usually a Western woman or a woman wearing Western-style clothing, and then the women are subjected to sexual abuse.

They surround the victim in circles. The men in the inner circle are the ones who physically abuse the woman, the next circle are the spectators, while the mission of the third circle is to distract and divert attention to what's going on.

If there is enough men, the woman is dragged along by the mob, while the men take turns ripping her clothes off, grope her, and inserting fingers in her various body orifices.

Taharrush is noted in Egypt as a kind of "lighter sexual abuse or gang rape" and occurred during the Egyptian Revolution (The Arab Spring) of 2011 in the unrest at the Tahrir Square, where Egyptian women and in some cases foreign journalists were surrounded by groups of men, often having been touched with sexual intent and partly undressed, stripped naked and gang raped.

Look man, I'm trying the civil route. This is what I am talking about. You need to be critical for every argument that comes up. Obviously there is polemics, and no one should strive to be a polemicist - but if you are going to make an argument you should try to understand its criticisms.

Take this Taharrush issue for example. Here is a Persian with no vested interest in defending Arabs with an anthropology background who pretty much exposes this argument:

Neither Taharrush Gamea Nor Sexism Are Arab 'Cultural Practices' | The Huffington Post

In recent days, a new term has suddenly appeared in the media to describe a supposedly Arab cultural practice: “taharrush gamea.” The term, which is misspelled (the second word should read gama’ei), just means “group harassment” in Arabic, but right-wing commentators are trying their hardest to convince you that it actually means “sexual assault by a bunch of Arab men” or “gang-rape game” and that it’s a normal thing in the Arab World.

And he goes on to note:

The racist violence was accompanied by a rapid shift in language; while at first the incidents were seen as episodes of criminality involving sexual harassment, assault, and theft, within days a new phrase emerged: “taharrush gamea.” In their report on the violence, Cologne police took an Arabic phrase that translates directly to “group harassment,” garbled its pronunciation, and then described it as a “modus operandi” in the Arab world.

Unsurprisingly, the use of an Arabic phrase to describe what was now being thought of as a supposedly Arabic cultural phenomenon spurred commentators across the political spectrum to begin speculating how Arabs had brought it there.

To those who have followed the issue of sexual harassment in the Arab world, the sudden appearance of “taharrush gamea” in German or English is bizarre. As I mentioned above, the term has perfectly suitable equivalents in other languages, to describe an issue that unfortunately occurs all over the world: sexual harassment. Germans have only to look at Oktoberfest (where the sexual violence is so bad they’ve had to set up “sanctuaries” for women) or other mass drunken gatherings to remember that, unfortunately, misogynistic men from many different cultural backgrounds engage in sexual harassment.

In Egypt, where the phenomenon supposedly originates, mass sexual harassment is just as shocking to average people as it is anywhere else. The first recorded instance of mass sexual harassment was by police and pro-government thugs at a protest in 2005, and since then it has re-appeared a handful of times, notably in Tahrir Square after the January 25 Revolution.

Dousing the subject with some comparative statistics, he goes on to note:

Sexism is not an imported product. Until 1997, under German law men could legally rape their wives, and even today less than 10% of rape trials end in convictions. Sexual assault statistics themselves are notoriously unreliable, as the vast majority of victims do not report their attackers. But a 2013 global survey estimated that one in three women around the world will face sexual violence in their lives. For the “Eastern Mediterranean,” that figure was just above 36%, while for “high-income countries” like Germany it was nearly 33%.

In the United States, for comparison, government surveys report around 50% of women have suffered some form of sexual victimization and around 20% have experienced rape. One-fifth of women who attend college report being sexually assaulted during those four years of their lives alone.
The fact that so many commentators are focusing on a supposedly cultural dimension to the Cologne violence highlights the growing fear that the moral outrage is guided more by racism against refugees than concern for women. Authorities have suggested that asylum-seekers who commit sex crimes will be deported; but what of German citizens who commit such crimes? Why should a refugee who robbed a woman at a train station be deported, and the German man who sexually assaulted and murdered a 4-year-old refugee boy stay? How does deportation address the root of the problem?

Another critic notes:

The tone of the debates reek of that age-old racism that views the crimes of others as inherent in their alien culture. Incidents of refugees banned from public spaces continue to be reported with officials proudly recognising the necessity of such stringent measures.

Almost three weeks since the infamous New Year's Eve attacks, information on what really happened remains opaque.*

The initial reports described 1000 men sexually assaulting as many women. The shocking headline proved very effective conjuring up images of gang rapes on the streets of Germany reminiscent of the Viking attacks of the 12th century. Upon closer inspection, some 30 men - petty criminals for the most part - decided to make the most of the celebratory mood by robbing and harrassing women present on the town square of Cologne where partygoers congregate to celebrate the coming year.*

Cologne: A whiff of age-old racism | Middle East Eye

Point of all this is that you continue to insist on not critiquing what you post and what is worse is that you are pretty much relying on far right wing xenophobic sources that are highly questionable in veracity.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Rape of war booty is defiantly allowed, no questions about it. There are many many sources:THE DIVINE AUTHORIZATION OF RAPE IN ISLAM | DEFENSE MISSION JERICHO

^ actually forget about the above article, just ask for the meaning of " right hand possess" which is repeated in the Quran over and over. Both Slavery and rape of non muslims women are allowed, especially when they are at war with them.

Even when muslims are ruling over non muslims, they are actually suppose to make them pay taxes in a a humiliating way. The (humiliation) in this could mean many things to different people, rape being one of them.

Islamic state has always been brutal through out history, anyone questioning this just needs to look at Islamic sources themselves

Once again, there is that inability to draw equitable comparisons rearing its head.

Here is a more appropriate analysis of what "the right hand possesses" means and what the emphasis is on general slave treatment:

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Related by Al-Daraqutni, Ibn Majah and Ahmad:*

The Prophet said, “There shall be no infliction of harm on oneself or others".

‘Others’ includes all people, so also slavegirls ! Raping a slavegirl is clearly doing her harm (emotional and physical) which would be a big sin for a muslim to commit and violation of the above hadith. Moreover the prophet *(peace be upon him) commanded muslims to treat their slaves well and with respect, which clearly proofs that rape of female slaves is forbidden in islam. The prophet *(peace be upon him) said:

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Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them.

Source:* Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38–40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124
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Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were: "The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! "

Source: *Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.


·******* Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, 'Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.' "

Source:* Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188.
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·******* Sallam ibn 'Amr reported from one of the Companions of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Your slaves are your brothers, so treat him well. Ask for their help in what is too much for you and help them in what is too much for them."

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 190.
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·******* Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The slave has his food and clothing. Do not burden a slave with work which he is incapable of doing."

Source:* Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 192.
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Not one of you should *[ when introducing someone ] say ‘This is my slave’ , ‘This is my concubine’. He should call them ‘my daughter’ or ‘my son’ *or ‘my brother’.

Source:* Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 2 ,4
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For this reason ‘Umar and his servant took it in turns to ride on the camel from Madina to Jerusalem on their journey to take control of Masjid al-Aqsa. While he was the head of the state, ‘Uthman had his servant pull his own ears in front of the people since he had pulled his. Abu Dharr, applying the hadith literally, made his servant wear one half of his suit while he himself wore the other half. From these instances, it was being demonstrated to succeeding generations of Muslims, and a pattern of conduct established, that a slave is fully a human being, not different from other people in his need for respect and dignity and justice.

"The masters were obliged not to put slaves under hardship; slaves were not to be tortured, abused or treated unjustly. They could marry among “themselves *with their master's permission - or with free men or women ! They could appear as witnesses and participate with free men in all “affairs. Many of them were appointed as governors, commanders of army and administrators. In the eyes of Islam, a pious slave has precedence over “an impious free man." *Source:* Al-Tabataba'i, Tafsir ( vol.16, pp. 338-358 )

The Prophet, upon him peace, had stipulated in his "last pilgrimage" speech:

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"And your slaves ! see that you feed them such food as you eat yourselves and dress them what you yourself wear. And if they commit a “mistake which you are not inclined to forgive then sell them, for they are the servants of Allah and are not to be tormented! "

Source: Ibn Sa'd, op. cit., vol. II:1, p. 133

And again in another hadith the prophet (saw) makes clear that rape of female slaves is forbidden, The prophet (peace be upon him)* said:
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“Whoever causes harm to others subjects himself to harm caused by God.”

Source:* Related by Ibn Majah and Abu Dawood on the authority of Abu Sirmah.
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“You must refrain from dealing wickedly with others, for that would count as a benefaction you do to yourself”.

Source:* Related by Al-Bukhari and Muslim on the authority of Abu Tharr.


‘Others’ includes all people, so also slavegirls ! Raping a slavegirl is clearly doing her harm (emotional and physical) which would be a big sin for a muslim to commit and violation of the above hadith. Allah swt also commands in the Qur’an muslims to treat their slaves (female slaves) kindly:

"Serve God, and join not any partners with Him ; and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours “who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (ye meet), And what your right hands possess : for God loveth not the arrogant, the “vainglorious"* Surah An Nisa, verse 36

The phrase* "What your right hands possess" *refers to one’s slaves (male and female). Allah swt ordains the kind treatment of slaves in the same verse where He commands man to worship Him and to treat his parents, relations and neighbours generously, and this signifies the importance of this ruling.

And then there is the Qur'an itself urging restraint when it comes to the role of marriage, sexual intercourse, and patience when it comes to marrying FOR THAT PURPOSE with patience superseding marrying a slave explicitly for that purpose.

“And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is “for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.” (An-Nisaa’: 25)

And of course there is the commonly known practice of manumitting slaves as a way to expiate sins. This practice was commonly done in the time of the Afghan kings and was known far and wide throughout the Muslim realms. The act had a massive symbolic importance and the act of the actual freeing of the slave was the very act that erases the sin. This is so well known in Islamic lore one need not even cite a source.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Sir you are getting it wrong: propaganda is based on emotions, not reason. Those who hate Muslims will promote the idea of Muslims being rapists not matter what. Even if you back up your claims with facts they won't accept them. Dissonance cognitive its called.

Agreed. The issue is not to convince these sorts of unsavory characters. You have to remember that you have an idea of who you are... of your identity... you are not a lemming that will chase popular opinion and let it subdue your rationality... Most importantly you are not a practitioner of confirmation bias.

Rather, my audiences are

1) that sliver of Muslims who want to know who they are and what the reality is but for whatever reason are not adept at examining the details of arguments that at designed purely to sow seeds of self doubt and purely hurled to legitimize wrong being done to Muslims

2) The fence sitters who may begin to open up to the notion that mass media and hysteria in the modern era can generate dangerously innacurate innuendos (e.g. Pizzagate)

3) the unaware amongst the native society who doubt the main stream effort but have not been exposed to an objective or alternative discussion

But yes, otherwise I fully agree with you - words mean nothing to these people you are referring to