Why Afghans hate Pakistan?(a logical discussion)

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

No you didnot defeat USSR or USA. Both of them bombed your good for nothing country into oblivion . As i speak right now american boots are in kabul controlling your country . You have been an occupied country for a very long time .

let me guess, it was Pakistan who were basically just "gun runners" i.e. waterboys for Afghan fighters that were the REAL victors of the Afghan-Soviet War. LOL

[~Zarlakhta~]

True hatred towards Pakistan existed in Taliban and post-Taliban era. Political tensions were always there, but Taliban was that one final link which spread the hatred among general public too. Most Pakistanis incorrectly like to assume that Indians have brainwashed Afghans into hating Pakistan, whilst the only responsible links between our souring relation is both our governments.

Taliban were the only 'government' the Pakistani government, and even public, supported but they turned out to be the people which escalated barbarism, illiteracy, discrimination, oppression and cultural/historical destruction to an absolute next level. In my personal circumstances, we didn't leave Afghanistan in Soviet war, nor during Mujahideen clashes. But Taliban were the last nail on the coffin which made us realise what a big mess we've landed into.

Obviously due to what Pakistanis read from Afghans online their opinions of us has changed too. We were once known as the so-called brave, powerful and resilient warriors who knows how to keep enemies away. But since the Pakistani government isn't able to convert Kabul into what it wants, its taking out its frustration by ridiculing our everything they once admired us for.

So it really works both ways. Although on a personal level I can't remember experiencing any sheer hatred between Afghans and Pakistanis.

[toughpashtun]

True hatred towards Pakistan existed in Taliban and post-Taliban era. Political tensions were always there, but Taliban was that one final link which spread the hatred among general public too. Most Pakistanis incorrectly like to assume that Indians have brainwashed Afghans into hating Pakistan, whilst the only responsible links between our souring relation is both our governments.

Taliban were the only 'government' the Pakistani government, and even public, supported but they turned out to be the people which escalated barbarism, illiteracy, discrimination, oppression and cultural/historical destruction to an absolute next level. In my personal circumstances, we didn't leave Afghanistan in Soviet war, nor during Mujahideen clashes. But Taliban were the last nail on the coffin which made us realise what a big mess we've landed into.

Obviously due to what Pakistanis read from Afghans online their opinions of us has changed too. We were once known as the so-called brave, powerful and resilient warriors who knows how to keep enemies away. But since the Pakistani government isn't able to convert Kabul into what it wants, its taking out its frustration by ridiculing our everything they once admired us for.

So it really works both ways. Although on a personal level I can't remember experiencing any sheer hatred between Afghans and Pakistanis.

Your point seems to be that the general Afghan public started hating Pakistan when Pakistan "imposed" the Taliban on them.Am I right?

[Elite Pakhtun]

I hate android phones. Total garbage. **** samsung. I knew i shouldn't have wasted my money on this s7 crap. I accidentally deleted my response...

I'm probably going to get an iPhone or something, since blackberry has gone full retard. I had the Z30 before, it was actually great. Only drawback was lack of apps. Now they're making android phones too.

[Friends of Baloch]

It also has be borne in mind that when the Taliban came to power, Afghanistan saw stability for the first time in many years.

What absolute nonsense. What do you remember about 1996? I am asking for your personal memories, not something you have read from the internet.

[Friends of Baloch]

It also has be borne in mind that when the Taliban came to power, Afghanistan saw stability for the first time in many years.

It is actually this ignorance and lie parroted mindlessly by pakis who have no clue what the war and life under Taliban was like which helps sum up why Afghans hate pakis.

If this is what you really believe then you will never understand the other side or the hatred against pakiland.

[~Zarlakhta~]

Your point seems to be that the general Afghan public started hating Pakistan when Pakistan "imposed" the Taliban on them.Am I right?

Pretty much, yes. As much as most Pakistanis like to deny it, a lot of Taliban members back in the days were Pakistanis too. Most of them that were caught in Balkh were butchered by Dostum's men, and those that were captured (and recorded too, videos on YouTube) by Massoud were lucky enough to be imprisoned only. And probably sent back to Pakistan.

[toughpashtun]

What absolute nonsense. What do you remember about 1996? I am asking for your personal memories, not something you have read from the internet.

My friend, you tell me , I did not live in Afghanistan to have experienced Taliban rule first hand.So obviously all my information is sourced from news articles,television etc both from that era as well as today,

[toughpashtun]

Pretty much, yes. As much as most Pakistanis like to deny it, a lot of Taliban members back in the days were Pakistanis too. Most of them that were caught in Balkh were butchered by Dostum's men, and those that were captured (and recorded too, videos on YouTube) by Massoud were lucky enough to be imprisoned only. And probably sent back to Pakistan.

You're right, many Talibs who fought the Northern Alliance in the late 90s were actually Pakistanis.From what I have heard, even today the Afghan Taliban contains Pakistanis who fight the Afghan and Nato forces.

Moving ahead, where in Afghanistan are you from and how did you find life under Taliban compared to the Soviets in the 80s and then the topakyaan warlords of the 90s?

[~Zarlakhta~]

I'm Mashriqi. I was too young to remember the Soviet era. The Mujahideen made a mess out of Kabul but Mashriqi areas weren't as badly affected by their internal conflicts. Taliban, however, were the biting point of us leaving Afghanistan for good. Us having lost most of men in our family in the Soviet war, were being mentally tortured and abused by the Taliban for trying to make a living.

What's worse is that schools were shut down by the Taliban and madrassas reopened. Rupees were being used in purchases in Mashriq and South instead of Afghani. The Taliban left no harm in trying to ensure Afghanistan doesn't just run into the stone age, but its people also adapt a Stone Age mentality.

And surprise surprise, they succeeded.

[toughpashtun]

I'm Mashriqi. I was too young to remember the Soviet era. The Mujahideen made a mess out of Kabul but Mashriqi areas weren't as badly affected by their internal conflicts. Taliban, however, were the biting point of us leaving Afghanistan for good. Us having lost most of men in our family in the Soviet war, were being mentally tortured and abused by the Taliban for trying to make a living.

What's worse is that schools were shut down by the Taliban and madrassas reopened. Rupees were being used in purchases in Mashriq and South instead of Afghani. The Taliban left no harm in trying to ensure Afghanistan doesn't just run into the stone age, but its people also adapt a Stone Age mentality.

And surprise surprise, they succeeded.

If by Mashriq you mean Ningarhar/Jalalabad, then yes, it was quite peaceful during the warlord era because of a central authority in the province(the jalalabad shura i think?).If I am not wrong many NGOs and foreign aid workers were based in and around Jalalabad during those years.
I can imagine Taliban rule and how it was because of the fact that it is covered in the media.
However,I can't really imagine how everyday life was for ordinary people during the mujahideen/warlord period.I mean , did schools, hospitals etc function during the mid 90s before Taliban takeover?

[Peacelove]

What absolute nonsense. What do you remember about 1996? I am asking for your personal memories, not something you have read from the internet.

Absolute nonsense ..Can you tell me when last time afghanistan was stable before taliban ?
And who invite a foreign country to attack afghanistan ?

[Khostai]

My friend, you tell me , I did not live in Afghanistan to have experienced Taliban rule first hand.So obviously all my information is sourced from news articles,television etc both from that era as well as today,

If you belive in taliban ****y propaganda then you must also belive that North Korea is the best Korea where people live like in heaven and are the happiest people on earth.

[~Zarlakhta~]

If by Mashriq you mean Ningarhar/Jalalabad, then yes, it was quite peaceful during the warlord era because of a central authority in the province(the jalalabad shura i think?).If I am not wrong many NGOs and foreign aid workers were based in and around Jalalabad during those years.
I can imagine Taliban rule and how it was because of the fact that it is covered in the media.
However,I can't really imagine how everyday life was for ordinary people during the mujahideen/warlord period.I mean , did schools, hospitals etc function during the mid 90s before Taliban takeover?

Yes they did function, even though it was chaotic. Women could still make a living for themselves of there as no male support, and women weren't barred off basic human rights under previous regimes. The Taliban imposed a complete different culture, mentality and structure that many Afghans struggled to cope under.

[~Zarlakhta~]

Absolute nonsense ..Can you tell me when last time afghanistan was stable before taliban ?
And who invite a foreign country to attack afghanistan ?

I would love to know on what basis you're calling Taliban a stable regime?