For those who undrestand Farsi: Real reason for fighting in Baghlan by a Tajik

[khushal]

Lets compare who are more Barbaric....Bachi Saqaw to that of Amanullah--taking power from him and destroying Afghan state....70 years later Massod to Najib--preventing UN peace plan---Jabarul Saraj treaty--again destroying Afghan state yet could not venture 5 miles east of Kabul river.
Rest there is never been a Tajik ruler in history..except king of Kulab/Punjshir holes and Charakar water boy.

Amanullah and Najib enforced policy that propelled Kalakani and Massoud. It wasnt Kalakani or Massoud that brought the environment that destroyed the country. It were the former two.

[khushal]

Farsi is language of Fars---what does Tajiks has to do with it? Other then adopting it, you can not find a single Tajik poets worth his name---even Ayar e Khorassan--Ustad Khalili was a Pashtun Safi--his father was hanged by Amanullah khan---thus his aversion. The problem is not flat hated Tazi the problem is Pashtun....if Pashtuns were united....if if if if if if ......

That there is the problem. Pashtuns are tribal and we all know tribal people are not nationalistic by nature so how can you unite tribes under such an agenda.

[Firdousi]

Lets compare who are more Barbaric....Bachi Saqaw to that of Amanullah--taking power from him and destroying Afghan state....70 years later Massod to Najib--preventing UN peace plan---Jabarul Saraj treaty--again destroying Afghan state yet could not venture 5 miles east of Kabul river.
Rest there is never been a Tajik ruler in history..except king of Kulab/Punjshir holes and Charakar water boy.

So I am right when I claim Pashtuns are oppressors.

Both Kalakani and Massoud are national heroes of our country, Khorasan. Period.


Pashto song for the national hero of Afghanistan-Ahmad Shah Massoud - YouTube

[Firdousi]

are you talking about the legit gov that has ghost soldiers:
U.S. watchdog questions money spent on Afghan 'ghost' soldiers
| Reuters

and builds ghost schools with ghost students:
Tens of Millions Wasted on "Ghost" Schools, and That’s Just the Tip of the Iceberg | Mother Jones

I wonder why people are fighting this legit government. It has done so much for its people.

So.. what? Its a corrupt failed state. Still current government is considered as the "legit" one. Dude, you are very naive. I mean seriously wake up. Just because people are upset on government it doesn't mean they want a barbaric tribal Pakistani proxy force to takeover.

[Azmal]

Amanullah and Najib enforced policy that propelled Kalakani and Massoud. It wasnt Kalakani or Massoud that brought the environment that destroyed the country. It were the former two.

The environment was created by outsiders...Lawrence and brzezinski. Amanullah unlike Najib was all home based and home grown...ironically you glorify Saqaw/Taliban and are critical of Amanullah.

[Azmal]

That there is the problem. Pashtuns are tribal and we all know tribal people are not nationalistic by nature so how can you unite tribes under such an agenda.

Afghanistan must accept Durand line Kushal,
Tribalism is the definition of nationalism in its basic form. Just like tribes, nations exclude and are intolerant of outsiders. It is tribalism that served to form nationalism. The fragmented politics of Pashtun nationalism are not an outcome of fragmentation of Pashtun land and population but rather caused by foreigner intervention and manipulation…establishment of tens of thousands of Madrassah in Pashtun lands since 70s is a great example of this intervention.

[Azmal]

So I am right when I claim Pashtuns are oppressors.

Both Kalakani and Massoud are national heroes of our country, Khorasan. Period.


Pashto song for the national hero of Afghanistan-Ahmad Shah Massoud - YouTube

You served Pashtuns willingly, no one put a gun in your grandfathers head and force you. If only Pashtuns were oppressor...if only.

[khushal]

So.. what? Its a corrupt failed state. Still current government is considered as the "legit" one. Dude, you are very naive. I mean seriously wake up. Just because people are upset on government it doesn't mean they want a barbaric tribal Pakistani proxy force to takeover.

corrupt failed state = legit.

I didnt know that was the definition of a legit gov. Thanks for pointing that out.

Also you have very bad debating skills. You are committing a false dilemma fallacy. You do this a a lot.

[khushal]

The environment was created by outsiders...Lawrence and brzezinski. Amanullah unlike Najib was all home based and home grown...ironically you glorify Saqaw/Taliban and are critical of Amanullah.

So your saying that Amanullah and NAjib who were forcing foreign culture and ideology which the people did not want were home based. If that was the case then the people should have stood by them. The first was kicked out immediately by his own people and the second had foreign soldiers protecting him from his own people.

I'm not glorifying anyone, I'm simply pointing out where the faults lie. You are no different then this Firdousi guy. You both try to use false narratives to glorify people that actually caused suffering.

[Azmal]

So your saying that Amanullah and NAjib who were forcing foreign culture and ideology which the people did not want were home based. If that was the case then the people should have stood by them. The first was kicked out immediately by his own people and the second had foreign soldiers protecting him from his own people.

I'm not glorifying anyone, I'm simply pointing out where the faults lie. You are no different then this Firdousi guy. You both try to use false narratives to glorify people that actually caused suffering.

Yo can't have it both ways if Amanullah's moderation was "Imposing foreign culture" so are the Dewbandi and Barelvi of Taliban. Yet you close your eyes on support, finance and training by foreign soldiers be it organizing and carrying out rebellion against Amanullah, active support of Muj that predates soviet invasion of Afghanistan but badmouth Najib for same crime.(Not that I'm fun of commies).
For the record Amanullah refused to fight, the army gathered in Jalalabad and Shirwari rebellion was almost subdued--when he refused and left for Europe, the army in Jalabad proclaim the first republic...Ghobar mention the whole episode in details.... if only he was bloodthirsty like those you support, we would have not been in this madness.

[Azmal]

You served Pashtuns willingly, no one put a gun in your grandfathers head and force you. If only Pashtuns were oppressor...if only.

Shapur, Shirfrosh is not an insult, it is a well known fact that most of wet nurse in Kabul were from one particular region/ethnic.

[khushal]

Yo can't have it both ways if Amanullah's moderation was "Imposing foreign culture" so are the Dewbandi and Barelvi of Taliban. Yet you close your eyes on support, finance and training by foreign soldiers be it organizing and carrying out rebellion against Amanullah, active support of Muj that predates soviet invasion of Afghanistan but badmouth Najib for same crime.(Not that I'm fun of commies).
For the record Amanullah refused to fight, the army gathered in Jalalabad and Shirwari rebellion was almost subdued--when and he refused and left for Europe, the army in Jalabad proclaim the first republic...Ghobar mention the whole episode in details.... if only he was bloodthirsty like those you support, we would have not been in this madness.

Islam is not foreign. The "Mullah" does not invite foreign soldiers. He strengthens when Amanullah and Najib give him ammunition, ie forcing foreign culture. The rebellions are popular uprisings. I know your kind like to find ways to convince people that pashtuns are by nature secular and liberal. But you go to any pashtun village and you cant even show your atheistic beliefs publicly. This is a very conservative armed society.

The Afghan Army was never strong enough to challenge its people. The rebellion had spread everywhere. The Army was too small and too weak to contain it.