While you bicker about "Mongol" Looks; Iran exploits our Hazara Brothers

[Aryana]

You find him attractive? I knew you were sodomized by old men when you were young, this is the second time you have posted pics of old men as being attractive

When I first looked at it, I thought it was Firdousi (known for being sexually abused by his uncle). Now it looks like there are many more Arab-nationalist victims of sexual abuse (Shamlawar khar, Firdousi etc) on this forum.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

When I first looked at it, I thought it was Firdousi (known for being sexually abused by his uncle). Now it looks like there are many more Arab-nationalist victims of sexual abuse (Shamlawar khar, Firdousi etc) on this forum.

says the wannabe Pashtun that clearly hates himself.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

If you disagree with the wanna-be Pashtun it is because you are sexually abused. And he knows this how?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

If you disagree with the wanna-be Pashtun it is because you are sexually abused. And he knows this how?

Aryana in action

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Kabulistan is Forreigner

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

They are aiding a malevolent regime so they don't get much sympathy from me. Iranians think discriminating against their co-religionists for being "Mongoloid" brings them closer to Europeans. In Afghanistan it's more of a sectarian and central-state vs. centrifugal forces issue; Sunni Hazaras in areas like Panjsher and Badakhshan get along well with other ethnic communities.

I understand but, the question is why? It's not simply "Hey let's go aid a malevolent regime". They think somehow this regime provides a solution and salvation for woes and grievances they suffer in their homeland. While the same said regime looks upon them as toy soldiers, minced meat to throw at rabid animals (referring to ISIS and terrorist organizations).

Whether Sunni or Shi'i; I'm not a Sunni Chauvanist nor do I accept Shi'ite Animosity. We need more positive solutions than "group think".

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Only an idiot would be against Shiism and Shiites because of group think. Fact is that they believe in a totally different religion. Their religion teaches them to see all Sunnis as murderers of Ahl al Bayt and sworn enemies of true Islam. They believe that this true Islam is only known by their Imams who have divine attributes and they don't even believe that that the we have the same Quran. According to their own religious scholars and books, the Quran is corrupted by companions and the real Quran is hidden in cave.

Their evangelism is solely focused on Sunni Muslims. Shiites don't invite other non Muslims to their faith. All of their efforts are focused at converting Sunnis to Shiism.

When they have this mentality and mindset, we can't fool ourselves and be politically correct and claim we have the same religion. We don't. And our problems won't be solved if we overlook the differences.

Look at Ikhwanis who have been overlooking differences with Shiites for the sake of political gains in Middle East. The same politically correct stance is now rejected by the spiritual leader of Ikhwanis, Qaradawi due to what has happened in Syria.

We shouldn't look at Islam and Muslims through a political or ideological prism. We need to be realistic.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

We have the same core tenets

They say "La Ilaha Ill Allah, Muhammad Rasul Allah". They believe Allah sent the Qur'an as his final message to mankind. Prophet Muhammad(saw) is the Final Prophet and Messenger and the Greatest of Prophets And Messengers

They certainly follow a distinct and perhaps divergent tradition to Sunni Islam, but to say they follow a different religion is nonsense. Most of Shi'i round about coincides with Sunni Fiqh except in certain controversial topics such as for example mut'a. Our other divergences are based on historical political events that became adopted as doctrinal after the religion was established. I see no reason to call them another religion; but it's fair to say they follow a completely different Madhhab (using the term more broadly, than simply Fiqh) The animus against Shi'ism and conversel the animus against Sunnism is precisely ideological and political.

It's not true that Shi'i only try to proselytize to Sunni Muslims; although they do, but Sunnis also do the same to Shi'i......I know quite a few White and Black American converts to Shi'i Islam, of course they exist where there are large populations of Shi'i communities like Michigan and California, but they exist. In Africa, many originally animist people became exposed to Islam through Shi'ites from Lebanon and converted. We shouldn't throw out our own skewed propaganda to combat skewed propaganda of Political Groups like Hezbollah and the Iranian regime.

As you said Qaradawi's current stance seems primarily a reaction to the Political Agenda of Iran not an intrinsic animosity to Shi'ism. if Shi'ism was the central priority of Iran, then they wouldn't treat Hazaras like rubbish.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Qadyanis are also saying the shahada. Do you consider them as brothers too?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I consider them Muslim, but not Sunnis, they have an errant interpretation, but accept La Ilaha Ill Allah, Muhammad Rasullah. I do realize there's controversy with how they interpret Khatm al Nabiyeen and Mujadid. There's some allegation that they were crafted by British conspirators to suppress Muslim uprising in India. I don't like to excommunicate people without fully compelling reasons. Even Shi'i insulting the Sahaba as far as I know is considered a sin, and would make any Shi'i doing so a fasiq. If we're concerned about Sh'i behaviors, we can penalize the behaviors with heavy fines or prison sentences.

[Aryana]

If you disagree with the wanna-be Pashtun it is because you are sexually abused. And he knows this how?

Are you triggered kid?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I consider them Muslim, but not Sunnis, they have an errant interpretation, but accept La Ilaha Ill Allah, Muhammad Rasullah. I do realize there's controversy with how they interpret Khatm al Nabiyeen and Mujadid. There's some allegation that they were crafted by British conspirators to suppress Muslim uprising in India. I don't like to excommunicate people without fully compelling reasons. Even Shi'i insulting the Sahaba as far as I know is considered a sin, and would make any Shi'i doing so a fasiq. If we're concerned about Sh'i behaviors, we can penalize the behaviors with heavy fines or prison sentences.

That's hilarious. People can say the shahada without believing that only Allah as the only deity or finality of prophecy. It's basically a meaningless magic spell people can say to play along with you.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

That's hilarious. People can say the shahada without believing that only Allah as the only deity or finality of prophecy. It's basically a meaningless magic spell people can say to play along with you.

Well from a human perspective, we can never truly know what's in anyone's heart, so until we have a hard, definitive reason why, we accept them as Muslims on basis of shahada.

Not sure what's hilarious about it? How do we benefit excommunicating people left and right? We've seen how this doctrine of fire-and-go excommunication has real life impact as far as human life. I'm not saying that there can't be a more sensible way to approach that, but it seems very tightly coupled with cruel and inhumane behavior.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Well from a human perspective, we can never truly know what's in anyone's heart, so until we have a hard, definitive reason why, we accept them as Muslims on basis of shahada.

Not sure what's hilarious about it? How do we benefit excommunicating people left and right? We've seen how this doctrine of fire-and-go excommunication has real life impact as far as human life. I'm not saying that there can't be a more sensible way to approach that, but it seems very tightly coupled with cruel and inhumane behavior.

Quran and sunnah are there to give context and meaning to what Islam and what the shahada is all about.

if you can commit shirk and believe in other sources of revelation after Prophet Muhammmed then Quran and Sunnah are useless.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Quran and sunnah are there to give context and meaning to what Islam and what the shahada is all about.

if you can commit shirk and believe in other sources of revelation after Prophet Muhammmed then Quran and Sunnah are useless.

And many of those points are debatable. For example insulting Sahaha does not fall within "Shahada" because it's not a requirement of the testimony of faith. Hence why it is only considered a sin by most jurists.

Also prominent Shi'ite clerics condemn such practices, which would run contrary to Shi'ism if it was core Shi'i belief.


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