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    Stop being horrible people.

    Members of this Afghan minority flee to Iran to escape persecution — and get sent to fight in Syria - LA Times

    Members of this Afghan minority flee to Iran to escape persecution — and get sent to fight in Syria

    o men squatted before a freshly dug stretch of earth in a public cemetery here as traffic buzzed by on the adjacent highway.

    They had just buried their 18-year-old brother, Seyyed Zia Hoseyni. His photograph poked out of a bundle of flowers.

    Hoseyni joined hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Afghans who were killed in Syria after enlisting in Iran’s effort to bolster the embattled forces of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    Nearly all are from Afghanistan’s Hazara minority. As Shiite Muslims, they fled to Iran in hopes that it would be more hospitable than Afghanistan, where they faced religious persecution and the economic hardships of a country racked by war and terrorism.

    But they wound up embroiled in another war. The Iranian government has relied heavily on the Afghan immigrants, sending them to battle in greater numbers than it does Iranians in the Revolutionary Guard.

    Hazara fighters can be found on the cobblestone walkways of the famed old quarter of Damascus. Busloads of them were visiting the shrine of Ruqayya, a Shiite holy site, while a reporter was there last year. The majority were on their way to heavy clashes in the northwestern province of Idlib.

    Many Hazaras have few options but to enlist. Those caught sneaking across the Afghan-Iranian border are often presented with a stark choice: Go to jail and face deportation, or fight in Syria for a few months and gain legal residence in Iran.

    Other Hazaras, drawn by the pay or their religious and political beliefs, join the Fatemiyoun Division, an all-Afghan Shiite militia named for the prophet Muhammad’s youngest daughter and trained by the Revolutionary Guard.

    Some of its original members are veterans of Afghanistan’s brutal war against the Soviet occupation during the 1980s or Iran’s war against Iraq that same decade. Iranian news outlets say it has grown to 20,000 men.

    “The presence of the Fatemiyoun Division in Syria conveys the message that geographical borders do not exist for the fighters of this unit, who assist whenever Shiite Muslims … are endangered — be it in Syria or Iraq,” the news agency Tasnim reported in June.

    Gol-Mohammad Mohammadi, a 23-year-old Hazara fighter.
    Gol-Mohammad Mohammadi, a 23-year-old Hazara fighter. (Ramin Mostaghim / For The Times)
    Gol-Mohammad Mohammadi, a 23-year-old Hazara who never learned to read and had been working as a construction worker, said he joined the unit last year.

    Once he signed on, he learned how to fire Kalashnikov rifles, rocket-propelled grenades and other light weapons. The training lasted 25 days and was conducted at the Martyr Pazouki military base in the city of Qom, he said.

    Shepherded by an officer from the Revolutionary Guard, he and 15 other Afghans flew from Tehran’s Imam Khomeini Airport to Damascus, the Syrian capital. From there they headed to the ancient city of Palmyra, which was captured by Islamic State militants last year.

    Mohammadi said he was part of a major offensive by pro-government forces, backed by Russian air power, that took back the city in March. He stayed in Syria for 54 days.

    Back in Tehran on leave, he said he was “counting the days to go back to the battlefield” and missed his fellow combatants there.

    As a laborer, Mohammadi earned roughly $600 every two months. As a soldier in Syria, he made more than double that — about $1,500 for his deployment. He sent his pay to his sister and five brothers in central Afghanistan.

    Some of the fighters have criminal records and are paid only a subsistence wage, several sources said. Those with better education or prior training can receive as much as $800 a month.

    Mohammad Gholami, a worker in a shoe factory in Qom who is also studying law, said his cousin has earned good money fighting in Syria. He was recruited early this year in the eastern city of Mashhad.

    “Because he had been already in Afghan army, he didn’t need training,” Gholami said. He said he has no desire to join the war and hopes to eventually return to Afghanistan to “help my own people.”

    For many fighters, money is only part of the motivation to join the war effort. Another is religious fervor, a sense of taking part in a cataclysmic battle against Sunni Muslim extremists and defending Shiite holy sites in Syria.

    “Hazara fight in Syria to defend the shrines of Sayyida Zainab and Ruqayya,” said Mohammad Amiri, a 45-year-old Afghan cleric living in Qom.

    Sayyida Zainab, a mausoleum of blue tile, gold and mirrors 10 miles from downtown Damascus, is a frequent target of Islamic State militants and other Sunni insurgents, who view Shiites as apostates who must be killed.

    “We don’t care about Bashar al-Assad’s regime,” Amiri said. “We fight for the cause of the Shiites against Daesh” — a derogatory Arabic acronym for Islamic State.

    Their participation has exacerbated problems for the Hazaras back in Afghanistan, who make up roughly 10% of the population and have long been oppressed. Last month, suicide bombers attacked a Hazara protest in Kabul, the Afghan capital, killing more than 80 people. Islamic State claimed responsibility and said the operation was a response to Hazaras “killing the Sunnis in the land of Syria.”

    In the Iranian media, both the Hazara and Iranians who die in Syria are revered as “defenders of the holy shrines.”

    But some Hazaras feel marginalized in Iran. “Iranians see the Hazara as cannon fodder,” said Hassan, a 50-year-old sheik in Qom who refused to give his full name for fear of retribution by Iranian security forces.

    The government, he said, feared the wrath of public opinion if Iranian fighters were killed in high numbers. If Iranians were captured, there would be pressure to release prisoners held by Iran in exchange.

    “If the Hazara are the Muslim Shiite brethren of Iranians,” he said, “then why are they the least important people in the devastating civil war in Syria?”

    Hazaras who are killed in battle are buried in segregated areas of Iranian cemeteries.

    Back at the grave of Hoseyni, one of his brothers choked up as he explained that the family was still waiting for answers about how he was killed.

    “My parents are too sad to come and are mourning at home,” he said. “I’ll stay with the grave.”

    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
    don’t try to be smart.

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    They are not our brothers. They believe in a different religion and they are from a different ethnicity. Plus they hate us without even knowing us.

    The story of Hazaras being forced into fighting for Assad in Syria is blown out of proportion. Most Hazaras and other Shiites from Afghanistan go to Syria for religious reasons and because they are mercenaries. Many of them are former ANA and ANP who are trained by NATO.

    Besides, if Iran is so terrible, why aren't they coming back? They practically own half of Kabul, have their people in most important positions in government, they cheat to get better grades in order to graduate. They get Western and Iranian subsidies for their social organizations.

    They are not oppressed. They are the oppressors now.
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    • #3
      ^^
      Only allah can help tajiks and hazaras of Afghanistan with people like him there.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
        They are not our brothers. They believe in a different religion and they are from a different ethnicity. Plus they hate us without even knowing us.

        The story of Hazaras being forced into fighting for Assad in Syria is blown out of proportion. Most Hazaras and other Shiites from Afghanistan go to Syria for religious reasons and because they are mercenaries. Many of them are former ANA and ANP who are trained by NATO.

        Besides, if Iran is so terrible, why aren't they coming back? They practically own half of Kabul, have their people in most important positions in government, they cheat to get better grades in order to graduate. They get Western and Iranian subsidies for their social organizations.

        They are not oppressed. They are the oppressors now.

        Our society pushed them into that situation; so let's not pretend our hands are clean of this mess. The Hazaras would probably have made much different choices if they were treated fairly.

        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
        don’t try to be smart.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
          Our society pushed them into that situation; so let's not pretend our hands are clean of this mess. The Hazaras would probably have made much different choices if they were treated fairly.
          I haven't done anything to Hazaras and Shiites. In fact, I actually help them professionally despite what they do and what they believe. Non of my family or relatives have ever done anything to them.

          Why should I be blamed? Besides, playing the victim card is no excuse for doing what they are doing. They terrorize Sunni Muslim students in Kabul university. Some students say even professors fear Hazara students and won't dare to stand up to them.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #6
            I must disagree Iblis. Most of these Hazaras are fighting in Syria in order to advance their faith´s cause. Nothing wrong about this but pretty obvious Hazaras are not the kind of oppressed people they want us to believe.

            Many Hazaras are extremely fanatic people. In Herat there is a huge Tajik Shia community (around 30-40%) but very few of them have joined Syria´s and Iraq´s wars.

            I must say that many of these refugees have also joined Iran´s war out of desperation, need and frustration: Hazaras are second class citizens in Iran. They get a good salary, passport and other benefits. All they have to do is fight for their faith. Its a win win situation for them.
            "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
            I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

            -Ferdowsi.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by younis View Post
              ^^
              Only allah can help tajiks and hazaras of Afghanistan with people like him there.
              Shamlawar is half Tajik. Regardless his ethnic background, he made a valid point. Stop with the ad hominem and refute his stance.
              "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
              I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

              -Ferdowsi.

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              • #8
                its funny how in afghanistan Mongol looks are looked down upon, yet in the west, east asian women are looked as very attractive

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                • #9
                  Actually having Turanid features are considered very attractive in Afghanistan, only ignorant people mock Hazaras for their looks. I only mocked AFB because he attacked our Tajik brothers since some have Mongolian features. and it turned out he has Mongolian ancestry himself. There's nothing wrong with or bad about it. I find the blend of Caucasian and Mongolian attributes incredibly beautiful. Turanid features exist throughout Asia and even Europe. I've Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians, Iranians, Saudis and Iraqis with such features and Some Saudis as well.

                  One example of why.


                  Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                  Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                  don’t try to be smart.

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                  • #10
                    They are aiding a malevolent regime so they don't get much sympathy from me. Iranians think discriminating against their co-religionists for being "Mongoloid" brings them closer to Europeans. In Afghanistan it's more of a sectarian and central-state vs. centrifugal forces issue; Sunni Hazaras in areas like Panjsher and Badakhshan get along well with other ethnic communities.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                      Actually having Turanid features are considered very attractive in Afghanistan, only ignorant people mock Hazaras for their looks. I only mocked AFB because he attacked our Tajik brothers since some have Mongolian features. and it turned out he has Mongolian ancestry himself. There's nothing wrong with or bad about it. I find the blend of Caucasian and Mongolian attributes incredibly beautiful. Turanid features exist throughout Asia and even Europe. I've Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians, Iranians, Saudis and Iraqis with such features and Some Saudis as well.

                      One example of why.

                      Beauty is subjective.
                      "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Aryana View Post
                        Beauty is subjective.
                        Maybe but Turanid looking women don't have trouble finding husbands whether among Pashtuns, Tajiks or anyone else.

                        Here's a Turanid Zadran man


                        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                        don’t try to be smart.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                          Maybe but Turanid looking women don't have trouble finding husbands whether among Pashtuns, Tajiks or anyone else.

                          Here's a Turanid Zadran man


                          You find him attractive? I knew you were sodomized by old men when you were young, this is the second time you have posted pics of old men as being attractive

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                            You find him attractive


                            Projection only if you have hidden homoerotic tendencies do you interpret something that way. Typical Desi

                            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                            don’t try to be smart.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                              its funny how in afghanistan Mongol looks are looked down upon, yet in the west, east asian women are looked as very attractive
                              An Indian like you wouldnt understand..."Mongol" looks remind of the attrocities commited by Genghis Khan on the ancient peoples of Afghanistan and all Iranian peoples of central asia...these mother****ers burned down entire cities full of innocent people if they did not submit to his will... The mongols ravaged the entire world East Europe to Iraq to China....**** them...every civilisation has brought some form of avancement to humanity...except the Mongols...in fact they burned Down libraries in Bagdad and everywhere else in the civilized ancient world...chengiz and his army truly the worst plague to hit the world. Yet the mongolian people today take Great pride in this man.

                              In terms of attravtiveness i find East Asian traits (flat face, small eyes, short and no facial hair ~ low testosterone in men, East Asian women generally have flat chest and flat ass = not very desirable traits) are not atractive traits. Dont have to be a hateful racist to admit this. I dont Find them attractive One bit.

                              In the West have observed Only White men who cant get other type of women (basically losers) settle for East Asian women.

                              I find the least Mongoloid/More Iranic Hazaras are the Most attractive...the stronger Mongoloid features, the less attractive...
                              Last edited by Kabulistan; 01-10-2017, 08:14 PM.

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